Swords are more honorable than guns???

  • 61 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for edwardwindsor
EdwardWindsor

14582

Forum Posts

3654

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 9

#51  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@HumanNumber: I can understand that point of view. But what if the person you hurt is someone who revels in hurting others? surely then by hurting them and stopping them from hurting others there is honour in that also.
Avatar image for picard1701
Picard

1142

Forum Posts

19

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#52  Edited By Picard
@RisingBean:
 I can say that hitting a moving target with an M-4 in a real combat situation from any great distance away isn't the easiest thing to do

Sure, but you are talking about specific case, you talking about great distance and moving target. This is no sytuation when you can use sword, this is not even comparable. But at close distance even kids with AK 47 can kill someone,  thanks to high rate of fire, skills are no longer so important. This is whole idea behind Kalashnikov - you can have an army of  armed people in relative short period of time. You can't do this same with swords - fencing require a great deal of trening and experience.

 Does it have anything to do with the medium used? (fist, sword or pistol)  Nope. It has everything to do with the mindset and motivation of the people involved. 

But this not the point. We are not talking about honor of the fighter, we talking about which fighting method is more honorable? In case of sword fight you have chance to defend yourself, in case of so called gun "fight", no. When you stand in the open and your opponent is pointing gun at you, you are dead. Not, much fighting, don't you think? This concern not only guns, but also other types of distance weapon, for example in middle ages only peasant would use bow or a crossbow, no self respecting knight would use them.
Avatar image for jonny_anonymous
Jonny_Anonymous

45773

Forum Posts

11109

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 32

#53  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous
@Picard said:
@RisingBean:
 I can say that hitting a moving target with an M-4 in a real combat situation from any great distance away isn't the easiest thing to do

Sure, but you are talking about specific case, you talking about great distance and moving target. This is no sytuation when you can use sword, this is not even comparable. But at close distance even kids with AK 47 can kill someone,  thanks to high rate of fire, skills are no longer so important. This is whole idea behind Kalashnikov - you can have an army of  armed people in relative short period of time. You can't do this same with swords - fencing require a great deal of trening and experience.

 Does it have anything to do with the medium used? (fist, sword or pistol)  Nope. It has everything to do with the mindset and motivation of the people involved.  But this not the point. We are not talking about honor of the fighter, we talking about which fighting method is more honorable? In case of sword fight you have chance to defend yourself, in case of so called gun "fight", no. When you stand in the open and your opponent is pointing gun at you, you are dead. Not, much fighting, don't you think? This concern not only guns, but also other types of distance weapon, for example in middle ages only peasant would use bow or a crossbow, no self respecting knight would use them.
also in a confined space some one swinging a sword with no training could hurt/kill people as well
Avatar image for sa5m
sa5m

2381

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

#54  Edited By sa5m

I find honor in neither

Avatar image for the_assassin_
The_Assassin_

17570

Forum Posts

2315

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

#55  Edited By The_Assassin_
@MrUnknown said:
Swords require skill. Guns - whoever pulls the trigger first.
Guns require skill to use effectively. Pointing at someone and pulling the trigger isn't an automatic hit.
Avatar image for risingbean
RisingBean

10000

Forum Posts

23

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#56  Edited By RisingBean

Sure, but you are talking about specific case, you talking about great distance and moving target. This is no sytuation when you can use sword, this is not even comparable. But at close distance even kids with AK 47 can kill someone, thanks to high rate of fire, skills are no longer so important. This is whole idea behind Kalashnikov - you can have an army of armed people in relative short period of time. You can't do this same with swords - fencing require a great deal of trening and experience.



Let me clarify. Any great distance doesn't have to be sniper distance. Even 30-40 feet away you are trying to line up your iron sights and anticipate your foes movement. tech like the red dot sight make close shots immensely easier, but shooting another armed combatant without getting shot yourself is kinda like playing a high stakes game of chess.

 

Anybody with a firearm can kill somebody. Those kids with the AK's probably kill more unarmed people or kill people from ambush (or take advantage of people who won't harm children or at least hesitate to do so.) then they kill in straight up combat. The fact is if you gave those same ten kids machetes or short swords and had them run up on a single guy with a sword, good chance one of them stabs him in the back.

 

I won't argue that it takes more effort to come to a basic level  of combat efficient with a sword. You need to try not to cut yourself as well as to cut opponents who are in blood splattering distance. But does that make it more honorable? I think it is the man you need to take into account, not the equipment.

 

But this not the point. We are not talking about honor of the fighter, we talking about which fighting method is more honorable? In case of sword fight you have chance to defend yourself, in case of so called gun "fight", no. When you stand in the open and your opponent is pointing gun at you, you are dead. Not, much fighting, don't you think? This concern not only guns, but also other types of distance weapon, for example in middle ages only peasant would use bow or a crossbow, no self respecting knight would use them.

 

Actually there is no direction to the topic as to what fighting method is more honorable. Coolii simply wondered if swords were more honorable then guns. I take it as many others have and that it does not matter what you use, it matters on how you use it. Give the joker a gun and he is dangerous. Give him a sword and he'll have honor and stop his evil ways? Nah. He'll be an evil murderer with a blade.

There is still a lot of what if in battle. If I am standing in the open and my foe can take advantage of me with gun or sword, I'm dead. It may be harder to sneak up within sword range, but if he gets close enough and I am either unarmed or unable to draw my weapon, I am dead. A whole martial art, Iaido, is based on a quick sword draw and taking out your opponent in that initial draw. I wonder why somebody felt a need to develop this art. Maybe it was because some dishonorable swordsman was bumrushing his enemies rather then say, challenging them to duels.

 

In a gun fight, you have to take many things into consideration. Cover, concealment, armor, weapons, ammo, and other factors. Sure most gunfights do not assume that two people with comparable levels of skill, equipment and standing on an equal battleground is going to happen. Does that make those involved unhonorable? Nah. What makes those involved honorable or not is what they hold inside.

In effect the weapons have changed through the ages. We went from using crude rocks and spears to swords and bows to firearms on the field of battle. Someday we might be shooting laser death beams. I don't think it is your choice of arms that makes you what you are. It is how you use them.

 

If Joe from the street wants to learn Iaido or fencing or how to defend himself with only his hands, any of those disciplines will probably help him develop character and honor. The same could be said of the discipline of firearms marksmanship. Of course you still could get an unhonorable swordsman or gunfighter. It all depends on what he does with his training and equipment.

 

I guess I'll leave off with this hypothetical situation.

 

When a psycho who has seen one too many samurai movies loses it, and attacks with a blade, I am just glad I can defend my wife and myself with a pistol.

And I am glad I'll sleep like a baby after, knowing I acted with honor to save lives.    

Avatar image for mekboy
Mekboy

3583

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#57  Edited By Mekboy

I don't care which is more honourable, I'll take a gun over a sword any day.

Avatar image for phoenixofthetides
PhoenixoftheTides

4701

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Neither is more honorable. Both are instruments to murder someone else. Sometimes the use of these dangerous toys is necessary, to protect yourself from those who would make you a victim or delight in savagery, but there is no honor to be found in this.

Avatar image for billy_batson
Billy Batson

62295

Forum Posts

1287131

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 11

#59  Edited By Billy Batson
@lazystudent said:
I refer you to the case of indian jones , sword maybe more honourable but what would you rather have in a  fight ?.

  

I was going to post this...

Avatar image for supergamera
SuperGamera

628

Forum Posts

18676

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 2

#60  Edited By SuperGamera

It all depends on the situation
Avatar image for mrunknown
MrUnknown

1727

Forum Posts

4132

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 10

User Lists: 8

#61  Edited By MrUnknown
@Mikepool said:
@MrUnknown said:
Swords require skill. Guns - whoever pulls the trigger first.
Guns require skill to use effectively. Pointing at someone and pulling the trigger isn't an automatic hit.
My quote is not stating that guns require no skill. It may have been a poor choice of words but what I mean is guns require less skill than swords.