Straight But Not Narrow respect thread

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

2) Religion is primarily what is pointed out as reasoning for "unacceptance" of homosexuality. So -- I call out religion every time the topic comes up.

2) Has anyone who has expressed distaste or disagreement for the existence of Pride Parades actually visit any? Real question.

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

4) I intend to flash my breasts when I attend Mardi Gras --- I like pretty, plastic necklaces as I am allergic to metal.

4) You are very welcome (this is to the OP).

@lykopis: steals your soap box

nyan nyan nyan !

@Fuchsia_Nightingale:

did you say....soap?!!

@lykopis: ?

@lykopis I love you even more, having read that ^

@Fuchsia_Nightingale:

LOL

I was trying to find soap in a box with us --- but the internet has failed me... **sobs**

@wildvine said:

@lykopis I love you even more, having read that ^

<3

@lykopis: cuddles

@lykopis: I think your numbering there is the best part :P (but seriously *respect*)

I like this thread :0

@akbogert said:

@lykopis: I think your numbering there is the best part :P (but seriously *respect*)

I do things differently. :) I held back though --- letters mixed with numbers might have brought out numberists and alphabetists in the droves.

@lykopis: You're talking to the guy who tried to shut down the 100 things learned from CV thread with the vast evil of basic counting :P

@lykopis said:

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

do people force to to observe people express homophobic opinions? do people force you to observe this thread?

i mean, my god, you just solved the universal question of how to avoid distaste. then again...why even stop at genitals at that point? why not just have sex in public if no one has to watch as share intimate knowledge in the streets, why even have bathroom stall,s? no one has to watch in there. why go inside when you want to have a fight, no one has to pay attention as 2 people loudly berate each other over personal matters than effect no one else.

my point is, people shouldn't have to avert there eyes when their just out trying to get some milk or go have a picnic in a park, when two people are on top of each pother in public, it's gross.our doing a bit of a disservice to anyone who doesn't want to see soft-core at time.

@lykopis said:

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

I don't think anyone was talking about that, but yes, I agree with that statement.

@MidApollo: if they were saying that, if there was a genuine effort to get people to understand this at pride parades I might think differently, but i don't feel that people are really getting any less ignorant for your efforts, people here gay and have a certain image come to mind, and I've never seen any effort to stop the cartoon image of a gay person. I've not gotten a vibe of "these people are like anyone else, i should have empathy"

and also i feel like gay pride supports a sort of subtle bigotry, that suggest people to use terms like "those people" and say things like "no, I'm love with gay people, they smell so nice and have so know so much about fashion." This makes some genuine gay people afraid to admit anything for fear of being seen as effeminate, and straight people afraid of being sassy for fear of being presumed gay by potential mates. it suggests a separation of gay people from other peoples, because it associates the parades with gay people and gay people with the parades.

@akbogert: most of the anti-gay sentiment comes from Deuteronomy, which has some pretty weird rules in it do you also subscribe to those?

@akbogert said:

@lykopis: You're talking to the guy who tried to shut down the 100 things learned from CV thread with the vast evil of basic counting :P

Yeah I think part of that was down to me since I was actually doing my own list apart from the general list.Then I realized that you weren't supposed to do that so I may have mixed things up :)

@lykopis said:

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

2) Religion is primarily what is pointed out as reasoning for "unacceptance" of homosexuality. So -- I call out religion every time the topic comes up.

2) Has anyone who has expressed distaste or disagreement for the existence of Pride Parades actually visit any? Real question.

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

4) I intend to flash my breasts when I attend Mardi Gras --- I like pretty, plastic necklaces as I am allergic to metal.

4) You are very welcome (this is to the OP).

Someone has the answers to everything lol - frankly about PDA - i just feel uncomfortable because of the weird sometimes disgusted looks and I guess i worry too much what people will think or will do...

I actually agree with you on all of those lol I am a little confused about the Soap part but that doesn't matter haha

@Pyrogram: thank you lol it is my first thread on comicvine haha (looks like i am getting a hit thread lmao) :P

@Betatesthighlander1: see the thing is usually effeminate or not you are still gay - repeating again - for homophobes and idiots who generalize all the community - u just need to be gay, to be hated ;) So if even after talking to you theyunderstand that you are not the sterotypical image they have in their head than fuck them :) and again EVERY subculture or culture is stereotyped - so really it's not just the LGBT community :)

@MidApollo:

Well, like it or not, people usually need some sort of reason, no matter how contrived, to justify their hatred. yes, some hate/dissetlement groups will still exist no mater what, some people sre very devoted, but there are a lot of people out there who just think "gay people are nasty" and that's all they have against them. just ignorant of what gay people really are besides what they see on TV and in public events, and probably wouldn't be so unsettled by the appearance or existence of gays if they saw a more normal image of homosexuality.

as for the comments about being effeminate, I'm not even talking about openly anti-gay sentiment right there, I'm talking about how everyone expects a gay person to be camp to some extent, so people who are attracted to the same sex but don't fit the pre-established notions of gay people often presume they aren't gay because they don't want to dance shirtless in public, or give sassy advice.

my problem is that your trying to fight ignorance with more ignorance, your trying to to just cast aside everyone who disagrees instead of attempting to sway their opinions, a lot of people don't know any open homosexuals, and if more people tried to educate instead of castigate, i feel like homphobia would be considerably less commonplace.

Anyways, i guess my gripe is that things like gay pride tend to turn being gay into a circus sideshow, just something everyone can point and laugh at every once in a while

other subcultures usually don't go to such lengths to reinforce their stereotypes (and I'm not entirely sure that being gay should be counted as a subculture)

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@akbogert: most of the anti-gay sentiment comes from Deuteronomy, which has some pretty weird rules in it do you also subscribe to those?

The Pentateuch is primarily a historical record and the legal contract between God and the nation of Israel. When I say "those rules were for back then" I'm not just conveniently ignoring them, I'm acknowledging the context of their writing and the purpose of their recording and preservation: a legal contract (similar to those of other people groups in the region at the time, if you compare the structure) between a superior and inferior entity (in this case, Yahweh and Israel). Christ's sacrifice fulfilled the requirement of the law -- took care of Israel's side of the bargain once and for all, if you will -- and replaced the temporary stand-in righteousness of law-abiding and/or animal sacrifice with the permanent imputed righteousness of Christ's death (the Lamb of God). The only people who still need to worry about following Deuteronomy to the letter are Israelites who do not believe the Messiah has come and thus are still bound by the contract of their forefathers. Of course, I am not a complete expert on the subject, and that's a fairly rudimentary description of the relationship between God and Israel (as any Jew would be quick to point out), but it serves as an answer, I think.

If you want to know about the broader picture of Biblical stance on homosexuality, particularly the reasoning behind the belief that what made it wrong in God's eyes back then would still make it wrong today (as well as how it's not actually missing from the New Testament, implicitly), I encourage you to do some digging; like I said, a lot has been written on the subject by people who, like me, believe the Bible wholeheartedly. Some of them have concluded that scripture does still condemn in our modern time, some of them have concluded otherwise. It happens that the arguments of the former with which I've been presented have not surpassed (in clarity and certainty) the arguments of the latter, but in time I may find one which reverses that trend.

@Betatesthighlander1: when people say being gay is nasty they usually mean that they are grossed out from 2 men kissing or imagining two men having sex - it's not really gay pride but let's stop talking about gay pride since we seem to disagree - let's just agree to disagree and move on from that subject - everyone is entitled to their opinion - and btw about 30 percent of the gay pride nowadays are straight people ;) who come just to have fun or support their friends and relatives who happen to be LGBT :p

anyways - gay pride subject is closed now lol

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@lykopis said:

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

do people force to to observe people express homophobic opinions? do people force you to observe this thread?

i mean, my god, you just solved the universal question of how to avoid distaste. then again...why even stop at genitals at that point? why not just have sex in public if no one has to watch as share intimate knowledge in the streets, why even have bathroom stall,s? no one has to watch in there. why go inside when you want to have a fight, no one has to pay attention as 2 people loudly berate each other over personal matters than effect no one else.

my point is, people shouldn't have to avert there eyes when their just out trying to get some milk or go have a picnic in a park, when two people are on top of each pother in public, it's gross.our doing a bit of a disservice to anyone who doesn't want to see soft-core at time.

@lykopis said:

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

I don't think anyone was talking about that, but yes, I agree with that statement.

Nope. I entered this thread --- read the posts and jumped right in. As for distaste, all subjective. And yes --- don't look. Do Not Look. Not so hard. Just like when there are Gay Pride Parades which are advertised well in advance of the day, just like how the streets closed off have signs stating as much prior to the event. As for bathroom stalls --- if you equate defecating and urinating on par with physical affection, that's on you.

Oh, and last I notice, ears don't come with an off/on switch (in regards to your comment about people fighting in public) but handily enough, our eyes come with lids. Close them -- turn away, lots you can do. Same thing goes with the tv/radio/computer/podcasts.....do not look or watch. It so easy and yet, you have an opinion about it undermining the homosexuals who want to be treated like everyone else. Who are you or anyone else to determine what is a "normal" gay? What the heck does that even mean? Are they supposed to walk around in chinos and sleeves of their sweaters tied around their shoulders -- and not what exactly? How would you feel if they held hands, or had their arms wrapped around each other's waists as they strolled along the harbourfront path? Would that be acceptable? Little pecks on the cheek goodbye at the subway where their routes diverge every morning for work is okay?

What is normal?

So spare me. I have every right to do whatever I want out in public ---- who are you to tell me what I can or cannot do? It's not illegal -- if I want to grab my partner's @ss, or wrap my legs around their waist while tickling their tonsils with my tongue -- that's my business. You find it gross, I don't. And based on your comments, your idea of soft-core porn and mine are very different.

Yes, there was a poster who earlier mentioned what the Catholic Church was doing in Africa with their "missions". Good to know you agree with that statement.

Have you or have you not ever attended a Gay Pride event? You might have forgotten to mention it -- I would love to hear your take on the experience.

@MidApollo:

The soap part was the box I like to stand on when I have a point to make. :)

Love this thread -- it's awesome, sir.

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

my point is, people shouldn't have to avert there eyes when their just out trying to get some milk or go have a picnic in a park, when two people are on top of each pother in public, it's gross.our doing a bit of a disservice to anyone who doesn't want to see soft-core at time.

What? Soft-core? LOL! If you find 2 people kissing offensive that is just plain weird xD

@lykopis said:

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

2) Religion is primarily what is pointed out as reasoning for "unacceptance" of homosexuality. So -- I call out religion every time the topic comes up.

2) Has anyone who has expressed distaste or disagreement for the existence of Pride Parades actually visit any? Real question.

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

4) I intend to flash my breasts when I attend Mardi Gras --- I like pretty, plastic necklaces as I am allergic to metal.

4) You are very welcome (this is to the OP).

This is why I serve you and not the other royals.

@lykopis said:

Nope. I entered this thread --- read the posts and jumped right in. As for distaste, all subjective. And yes --- don't look. Do Not Look. Not so hard. Just like when there are Gay Pride Parades which are advertised well in advance of the day, just like how the streets closed off have signs stating as much prior to the event. As for bathroom stalls --- if you equate defecating and urinating on par with physical affection, that's on you.

I'm saying intamacy is something private. itt ois not something other people want or need to see.

If that's your opinion on taste and distaste, why do you even care about ant-gay sentiment? no one forces you to observe it (you could just close your eyes and pretend it's not there)

@lykopis said:

Oh, and last I notice, ears don't come with an off/on switch (in regards to your comment about people fighting in public) but handily enough, our eyes come with lids. Close them -- turn away, lots you can do. Same thing goes with the tv/radio/computer/podcasts.....do not look or watch. It so easy and yet, you have an opinion about it undermining the homosexuals who want to be treated like everyone else. Who are you or anyone else to determine what is a "normal" gay? What the heck does that even mean? Are they supposed to walk around in chinos and sleeves of their sweaters tied around their shoulders -- and not what exactly? How would you feel if they held hands, or had their arms wrapped around each other's waists as they strolled along the harbourfront path? Would that be acceptable? Little pecks on the cheek goodbye at the subway where their routes diverge every morning for work is okay?

if i close my eyes when I'm waking in public, i could get hit buy a car. people have to be attentive when there just going around, or will constantly run into other people, uneven ground, and set stationary objects

that's just two people expressing mild intimacy in public, no matter what gender they identify as, none of that is anything really private

@lykopis said:

What is normal?

So spare me. I have every right to do whatever I want out in public ---- who are you to tell me what I can or cannot do? It's not illegal -- if I want to grab my partner's @ss, or wrap my legs around their waist while tickling their tonsils with my tongue -- that's my business. You find it gross, I don't. And based on your comments, your idea of soft-core porn and mine are very different.

I don't actually find that kinda stuff gross, kinda the opposite which kind of makes it that much more awkward.

But a lot of people do find it gross when they see other people just going at it in public, there's a thing called common courtesy.

@lykopis said:

Have you or have you not ever attended a Gay Pride event? You might have forgotten to mention it -- I would love to hear your take on the experience.

Yeah..........wait,@MidApollo said:

anyways - gay pride subject is closed now lol

oh, nevermind

@Pyrogram said:

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

my point is, people shouldn't have to avert there eyes when their just out trying to get some milk or go have a picnic in a park, when two people are on top of each pother in public, it's gross.our doing a bit of a disservice to anyone who doesn't want to see soft-core at time.

What? Soft-core? LOL! If you find 2 people kissing offensive that is just plain weird xD

no, two people fondling in public is when stuff gets a bit to far

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

my point is, people shouldn't have to avert there eyes when their just out trying to get some milk or go have a picnic in a park, when two people are on top of each pother in public, it's gross.our doing a bit of a disservice to anyone who doesn't want to see soft-core at time.

What? Soft-core? LOL! If you find 2 people kissing offensive that is just plain weird xD

no, two people fondling in public is when stuff gets a bit to far

You're opinion. But I disagree. How is that too far?

@Pyrogram: when two people are getting intimate in public, it makes it really awkward for everyone else, especially people with kids around

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Pyrogram: when two people are getting intimate in public, it makes it really awkward for everyone else, especially people with kids around

What is your definition of intimate? I honestly do not mind most things.

@Blood1991:

Straight people are always all over each other though - i can't even count all the times i've seen straight people practically fucking on the street lol deep stuff man, deep stuff... so let's not pretend that straight people don't do it... so when straight people stop doing it - gays and lesbians will stop to haha (i guess) :D

@lykopis: Thaanks!! I appreciate it !! I like your input in this thread :D

@Pyrogram: well, if two people are slobbering on each other and make it clear that nothing out side of the two of them are warthe any atention, or touch each other lastingly and purposely on bodily areas associated with arousal, that's intimate

@MidApollo: where do you live that straight people are publicly dry humping?

@lykopis said:

1) Catholic-sponsored missions in Africa are a scourge. Outside of the emotional debt created (and depended on) which lends itself to converting to Catholicism, there is the lovely and outright banning of condom use. Way to go.

2) Religion is primarily what is pointed out as reasoning for "unacceptance" of homosexuality. So -- I call out religion every time the topic comes up.

2) Has anyone who has expressed distaste or disagreement for the existence of Pride Parades actually visit any? Real question.

3) I love smearing myself on my partner wherever I am. If I want to kiss, grope, caress and tangle myself on my partner, then I will when I want to. Don't look. If I am not flashing genitals, then I should be good.

4) I intend to flash my breasts when I attend Mardi Gras --- I like pretty, plastic necklaces as I am allergic to metal.

4) You are very welcome (this is to the OP).

I am both informed and amused at these statements lol.

I am a little annoyed that typically guys don't get beads when they flash :'(, We deserve beads two!

@Betatesthighlander1: "slobbering on each other" Ok that made me laugh! If 2 people are making out and just having fun what is the harm? Nothing is illegal. Nothing is wrong, It is all natural, nobody gets hurt and children don't get a ruined childhood.

touch each other lastingly and purposely on bodily areas associated with arousal

>_>

@Betatesthighlander1: I live in Paris ^_^ i see girls touching their boyfriend's butts or vice versa - or even touching the crotch area - or just in deep make out session :) Or all of those combined and more haha

@MidApollo: oh, yeah, nothing like that really happens where i live

@Betatesthighlander1: I live in the boonies in as conservative a town as you're going to get in western mass, and if you go to the park you will see straight people kissing aggressively, because parks are viewed as romantic for some reason. Kissing happens in public all the time, I see it at malls two. I'm honestly not a big fan of PDA, but I just avert my eyes when I see it, people do have a right to publicly display their affection.

@Pyrogram: it's really awkward if they're like, sitting on a bench you want, or in between you and somewhere you're trying to go, and it can get kind of gross

I'm not sure what the last part of that post means

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Pyrogram: it's really awkward if they're like, sitting on a bench you want, or in between you and somewhere you're trying to go, and it can get kind of gross

I'm not sure what the last part of that post means

Then get up and move if you don't like it. I don't like being NEXT to it as its a little awkward sometimes. But it's not my job to tell people where they can make out or not. If its not illegal whats the problem?

@MidApollo: By the way I've been to a gay wedding it was my friends and it was fun as hell. Got a couple free drinks too! LOL, For the record I am straight and for some reason I get hit on more by gay men then straight women lol. It's funny to me, and if I was gay I would be doing pretty good in the dating world because some of the guys that hit on me were quite the lookers lol.

@Vortex13: I am glad you had a good experience - i havn't been to a gay wedding yet -pout-

hahaha it's always like that - the people you want to hit on you don't but the ones you don't do :D

@Pyrogram: @Vortex13: okay, before we discuss this further, what are we defining as PDA?

@Pyrogram said:

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Pyrogram: it's really awkward if they're like, sitting on a bench you want, or in between you and somewhere you're trying to go, and it can get kind of gross

I'm not sure what the last part of that post means

Then get up and move if you don't like it. I don't like being NEXT to it as its a little awkward sometimes. But it's not my job to tell people where they can make out or not. If its not illegal whats the problem?

I'll tell you awkward, I was adjusting my friends jacket and his girlfriend kisses him whilst my hand is there and I'm stuck there because if I move my hand it's going to end up cupping my friends girlfriends breast lol. So I'm just standing there like ok hurry up. And his girlfriend breaks it up but my friend brings her right back because he knows it's making me uncomfortable, so a few seconds later his girlfriend leans back and moves my hand and she's trying not to laugh and I just say "Thank you" and walk off. It really was pretty funny in retrospect lol.

@Betatesthighlander1:

Public Displays of Affection, can be seen in the form of kissing, touching, groping, licking, nuzzling, cuddling, crossing hands into each other's opposite back pockets, etc.

That's the definition.

@Vortex13: LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

@Betatesthighlander1: Kissing, hugging, slight groping of the butt and chest, or aggressivly making out, no nudity or crotch stuff.

@Vortex13 said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Pyrogram: it's really awkward if they're like, sitting on a bench you want, or in between you and somewhere you're trying to go, and it can get kind of gross

I'm not sure what the last part of that post means

Then get up and move if you don't like it. I don't like being NEXT to it as its a little awkward sometimes. But it's not my job to tell people where they can make out or not. If its not illegal whats the problem?

I'll tell you awkward, I was adjusting my friends jacket and his girlfriend kisses him whilst my hand is there and I'm stuck there because if I move my hand it's going to end up cupping my friends girlfriends breast lol. So I'm just standing there like ok hurry up. And his girlfriend breaks it up but my friend brings her right back because he knows it's making me uncomfortable, so a few seconds later his girlfriend leans back and moves my hand and she's trying not to laugh and I just say "Thank you" and walk off. It really was pretty funny in retrospect lol.

lol haha that is awkward indeed :D and about PDA lemme post you a link

PLEASE WATCH THIS @Betatesthighlander1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IoOSKndcQ

@Pyrogram: My options were stand there patiently, or slide my hand out and most likely unintentionally grope my friends girlfriend. At the minute mark the groping option was tempting lol.

@Vortex13 said:

@Pyrogram: My options were stand there patiently, or slide my hand out and most likely unintentionally grope my friends girlfriend. At the minute mark the groping option was tempting lol.

That would have been awkward xD

@Pyrogram: @Vortex13: kissing and hugging are like whatever, discrete toung (well really discrete anything, if we can't see it it might as well not be happening aggressive making out and butt/chest stuff are a little much for everyone to see

@MidApollo: I've had some substantial awkward moments. One being my girlfriend in highschool coming out of the closet to me lol.

@Vortex13: hey at least u didn't marry her before that lol imagine if she came out after marrying lol

@MidApollo: Well... it was highschool, I don't think marriage was really in the mind lol.