Should Darkseid be even more powerful?

Darkseid is said to be DC Comics (Thanos) basically. I mean the guy should be held to the same standards in my honest opinion, but I feel that DC has made bad choices while using Darkseid that Marvel has not so much with Thanos.

My overall point on this subject is that I feel Thanos has been showed as a Crisis level threat in a major chunk of his history, and has gone toe to toe with beings like Odin, and even a weakened Galactus. Can the same be said for Darkseid, whom by all accounts should be used in much the same manner as his Marvel counterpart. Why does DC, make the mistake of turning some of their greatest Villains into jobbers?

Does anyone else agree with me that Darkseid needs a power increase, or am I all alone in my ideology on the subject. Or maybe he has and I am not aware. I haven't read anything current with Darkseid, maybe this has already been corrected since I last read DC comics.

Because he'll never be able to overcome the "S" shield!!

Darkseid certainly looks like he is up there in terms of threat.

1. Darkseid is powerful.

2. DC and Marvel don't give a crap who wins on the battle boards. They never will.

3. Given Darkseid was created first, it would be more accurate to say Thanos is Marvel's Darkseid (not that I want to start this whole rip-off line of discussion again)

4. Thanos has gotten his a$$ kicked by Galactus and although he has the durability to not get 1 shotted by Odin, he still can't do anything to him whatsoever.

5. Plot gives both of these guys more power than they dream of without it. In fact, nearly all of their stories and all the good ones involve these two discovering some way to make themselves stronger via a plot device/amp.

@fallschirmjager: Still Darkseid has lost to Superman on numerous occasions. Thanos smacks Thor, and Silver-Surfer around regularly.

I am not sure what thanos even wants at the moment. One minute he is in love with death, then he wants power, then he wants to murder his kids,

@dark_hammer: define "numerous occassions" outside the animated universes.

Unless your above Galactus, then that's actually not abnormal or a bad showing.

@lordraiden: I never said it was. I was addressing the fact that the OP said he went toe to toe with those 2 characters when he hasn't. (under his own power)

@kyrees: Has he not defeated him in the comics? If not, then I don't have any real issues I guess. My overall point of view was that Darkseid should be a crisis level enemy as well. A team effort type of thing, not a gets soloed by one hero type. If this is not the case then, I was under the wrong impression.

But he did? How did he not go toe to toe with Odin with under his own power? Same with Galactus!

No he didn't. If you're referring to that scan when he blasted Galactus, people tend to forget on the next pages, Thanos admits he couldn't do anything and then Galactus puts him on his knees.

I don't know what your definition of "going toe to toe" with someone is, but that's not mine.

And still... Thanos looks like he is in better shape than Galactus is at the end of it all.

@dark_hammer: hurling darkseid to the source wall isn't exactly a win when he released him for a reason i have forgotten and as far as i remember, supes beating darkseid rarely occurs that it mostly comes to PIS when some people look at it.

it always takes a team to defeat darkseid, with his OB and comparable strength to supes.

I kinda agree here.

@dark_hammer said:

@fallschirmjager said:

@lordraiden said:

@fallschirmjager said:

@lordraiden: I never said it was. I was addressing the fact that the OP said he went toe to toe with those 2 characters when he hasn't. (under his own power)

But he did? How did he not go toe to toe with Odin with under his own power? Same with Galactus!

No he didn't. If you're referring to that scan when he blasted Galactus, people tend to forget on the next pages, Thanos admits he couldn't do anything and then Galactus puts him on his knees.

I don't know what your definition of "going toe to toe" with someone is, but that's not mine.

And still... Thanos looks like he is in better shape than Galactus is at the end of it all.

galactus was fighting the hunger, and getting beat up, thanos ran away from the battle to drop a planet on the fighters. lol. That's why he's entering through the portal in the first panel at the upper left corner.

What? oh. The topic.

Darkseid is more than strong enough. He just needs to stop jobbing.

Honestly, I don't think Darkseid need to be any more powerful than he is for the following reasons:

• Thanos is only ever a true Crisis-level villain, when he has acquired one of half a dozen trinkets that Marvel has that basically turns the wielder into god. In Infinity for instance he wasn't even the main threat but rather a sub-plot that played out while the real danger was decimating stuff hundreds of lightyears away.
• Similarly, Darkseid only has the Anti-Life Equation and we had Final Crisis as a result of him finally getting it.
• DC is straddling this weird mid-point where they cant decide if the New Gods should be actual otherworldly gods or just very powerful aliens. I say this because while DC likes to present the New Gods as more powerful than terrestrial gods (Apokolips has invaded Olympus like 3 times post-COIE), it's exceedingly rare any of their writers actually make the New Gods feel 'godly'.
• I actually prefer Darkseid being within the like of Superman to beat, with some difficulty, but needed a seriously up-stepped game in order to take on actual gods and abstract beings. Because the New Gods has been written ungod-like for so long they might as well just stick with them being technologically advanced aliens who think of themselves as gods to 'lesser beings'. (as you might note, I am not a fan of Kirby's Chariot of the Gods fixation that permeates DC & Marvel comics).

My definition of going toe to toe with someone is the Thanos vs Odin fight, that's exactly what they were doing, going toe to toe. As for Galactus, I don't think you'll find hardly anyone who'll tell you he's a match against Galactus unaided, and yes, I know what happen to him the next panel, my point was, he didn't use any outside help powerwise.

P.s. I find it quite ironic that Thanos has hijacked a DS thread lol but I digress, back on topic, I only read his initial intro in the N52 in JLA, not sure what he's done since, but sounds like they plan on making him a multidimensional threat hijacking Supermen through the multiverse for his upcoming battle with the Anti-monitor. Good to see they planning to do him some justice so far.

'eh, Thanos and Darkseid don't need to match each other, they're not from the same universe.

I'm content with DS being a Superman tier character, that's scary enough when you're dealing with alien tyrants with colossal armies.

@lordraiden:

I find it quite ironic that Thanos has hijacked a DS thread

Not really ironic, comic vine is a heavy battle minded board and this comparison will be made on these boards until Marvel and DC cease to be relevant.

As I've said a few times before his status as a jobber came about because he became a Supermans villain from 2000-2004 because of the animated show. An era when the comics started to becoming heavily influenced by outside media, especially when writers who wish to appeal to the masses take over. Look at current Uncanny under Bendis, Xavier married Mystique because of the movies despite the fact that Mystique is a vile human being in the comics.

Something that doesn't make sense as people often say pre/post crisis Darkseid as if they are different when in fact they where the exact same character.

Now this 2000+ era had continued then it would have been the new status quo for Darkseid but it was retconned as an avatar/fraction of Darkseid by Grant Morrison, a writer who loves his continuity porn. So Darkseid was immensely powerful, a multiversal being, darkness personified but he's too vague to use reliably on the battle forums, he's just not the jobber people make him out to be.

To tie everything together and to explain why Anti has beef with DS I would have it where Darkseid orchestrated Final Crisis as a means of removing himself from existence, If existence was to be remade he would lose all his memories along with everyone else. So he is removed from existence just before it is remade and because he wasn't remade he has greater influence in the new 52.

Pre-52 Darkseid was able to fight against both Highfather and Zeus, abit this was off panel and Ares went to go help Darkseid. But still, the fact he was able to battle them both before Ares arrived(although it wasn't that big a time gap) tells that Darkseid was pretty powerful, considering he was able to fight against two members of the Quintessence.

Although N52, Darkseid is a straight planet buster and has been mopping the JL...or so I have read on here, so it seems he is still very powerful.

I wish that Darkseid was powerful enough to solo the Justice League, but Superman is usually enough to take him down, which irks me I suppose.

But really, who cares. It's their character, let them do what they want.

Jmarshmallow

Superman has never really been enough to beat Darkseid. Barring the stupidity that was Batman/Superman and Apokolips Now!, Superman only beat Darkseid once, and that was revamped to be Desaad.

@nickthedevil: Even if they're stupid (which they totally are), they're still canon, and that's THREE instances where Superman was not only ENOUGH for Darkseid, but solo him, with one of them being revamped.

And not to mention all the instances where Superman was even able to HANG with Darkseid, which IMO he really shouldn't be able to do even.

Realistically, Darkseid should STOMP Superman in every encounter, and that rarely ever happens...

He should be a bonafied JLA buster, but he's one of the few people who have never done so IIRC.

Just my two cents.

Jmarshmallow

There's like three more where Darkseid one-shots him tho...

@nickthedevil: Three of them? Really?!? I can only remember like one instance where Darkseid one-shot Supes.

Jmarshmallow

Because everyone clammors for Darkseid's low end feats, when the other glaring ones are actually pretty damn good...

Combine Darkseid's New 52 physical showings and planet busting with his Pre New 52 versatility in powers and that would be one scarily powerful being. A composite Darkseid would be difficult to deal with.

Which is what the DC needs. It needs more, 'Difficult to deal with' beings. Makes for better story telling.

Well, the Smallville version definitely should have been.

Yes what this guy said especially the bolded lol.

I like Darkseid more personally because he's more original, and one thing I'd like to add if anything has better durability than Thanos since well this is why...

lol some how I don't see Thanos walking away from this if Spectre wanted to destroy him. Yet Darkseid did due to the Source.

I believe both under their own power, Darkseid>>>>Thanos.

But on the topic yeah Darkseid is pretty powerful currently N52 I think is IMO his most powerful version or one of the most easily. The JL really just fought him off and made him retreat, they didn't really "defeat him or kill him" per-se. He's a beast.

I would say

No!

I tend to agree. I'd like to see Darkseid be Odin level.

Darkseid wars.I am waiting to show ppl of what his powers are like.I do not want old comics I want some new stuff.

Why cant they just be friends?\

Darkseid is pretty powerful he just don't have the feat top back it up.

1. Highfather is basically his equal

2. Superman beating darkseid or even stomping him(apokolips now) is SUPER dull and a superman SUPER wank

3. Darkseid rules a planet and is feared by any who knows him(except for some heroes though) while thanos looks for power-ups to cause meaningless destruction.

@jmarshmallow: new 52 Darkseid stomped the JL.

This isn't exactly the purpose of the thread but I hate it when they draw Darkseid fat. His new 52 look is much better, where his size and bulk looks like pure muscle, just undefined, rocky muscle. Much better than roundish, fat Darkseid in a skirt or dress.

@those_eyes said:

Why cant they just be friends?\

They are.....pimping

i like fat darkseid.

Personally I think Darkseid should be powerful enough that doesn't need to get into any muscle fights with the leagues. They should go full on divine being side and make him a being on the level of Marvel Odin, Gor the God-Butcher and the like only with an alien technology visual. Not in any sense of the nature of his powers, but simply the aesthetic. He's the God of Evil of a technologically advanced alien planet thus his appearance matches the species he rules over. It think they could make great series out of his evolution from simply evil god of his pantheon to supreme divinity of evil in the DC universe, have him bring pantheons to heel, wage a war of conquest on hell to force demon princes to swear oaths of fealty to him, have him meet other gods and abstract beings and shake the foundation of the divine realms

I loved what Darkseid said in Final Crisis, "There was a war in Heaven. I WON". Make a comic about that now! Only in final crisis we didn't really see the conquest of the heavens and the end antagonist wasn't even Darkseid but some cosmic vampire... for some reason.

Talk about a disappointingly bad finale...

This. Amp up the telepathy, too!

He needs more TP resistance feats than anything else.

He needs less PIS defeats