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#1 Edited by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok so I know I'm ussually the one to joke around and say dirty jokes but after watching a YouTube vid about Trayvon Martian and reading the comments I almost cried. So here is the thing that every race has its bad eggs. Does no one remember when some white's long ago enslaved blacks, or when Mexicans started a gang war. Also, I'm not just saying that us blacks get racist comments because living in Cali which is a very diverse place see a lot of mexicans that go to private stuck up schools get called Border Bandits, I see whites in black schools get called crackers. To get to my point why can't we all just stand toghether as one and leave this rasist bs aside.

#2 Edited by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

Omg...

#3 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

What?

#4 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

Mexicans ... Gangwars... Whites.... Slavery...

The first half of your OP is you guilt tripping whites and browns which is kind of the opposite of what you're trying to get across. It's kind of racist actually...

#5 Edited by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't intentional at all. Not trying to be racist but these things need to be said.

#6 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Morgan Freeman sums it up...

#7 Posted by Madame_Mist (1325 posts) - - Show Bio

It's damn labels that seem to be slapped on everyone and cause this divide.

#8 Posted by TheThe (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

Morgan Freeman sums it up...

Morgan Freeman, arent you the one portraying Nelson Mandela on big screen ? LOL

#9 Posted by cyberninja (10413 posts) - - Show Bio

We made societies, and societies invented racism,  it's all a learned behavior, and a vicious cycle. If every child was exposed to different cultures at a young age, and taught to respect it instead of every group living in their own tiny pathetic bubble in which every kid is being taught that they're special and different from all other kids in the world, then the world would have been a LITTLE better. We're all humans, you would think we're all the same, but the truth is most people actually believe that everyone is different, and as long as there is difference, there will be racism. Oh f*ck it, why do I care, I already lost hope in humanity anyways. 

#10 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

Racism is something that has been going on for hundreds upon hundreds of years.... It will always exist...We will always have people who will hate others over their skin color, culture, religion and or country they're from.

#11 Posted by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

Morgan Freeman sums it up...

Uncle tom foolery at Its finest.

#12 Posted by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever said:

Ok so I know I'm ussually the one to joke around and say dirty jokes but after watching a YouTube vid about Trayvon Martian and reading the comments I almost cried. So here is the thing that every race has its bad eggs. Does no one remember when White's enslaved people, or when Mexicans started a gang war. Also, I'm not just saying that us blacks get racist comments because living in Cali which is a very diverse place see a lot of mexicans that go to private stuck up schools get called Border Bandits, I see whites in black schools get called crackers. To get to my point why can't we all just stand toghether as one and leave this rasist bs aside.

Because racism Is still alive and prevalent In almost every society.

#13 Posted by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever said:

To get to my point why can't we all just stand toghether as one and leave this rasist bs aside.

You're the first one to suggest that. Great job man!

#14 Posted by nickthedevil (11867 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just here for the lulz

#15 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

Who did us white people enslave?

#16 Posted by Dernman (14899 posts) - - Show Bio
@AweSam: Animals. Power to the Pets.
#17 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, racism is stupid, but I think Freeman is right. The more you talk about it, the more you empower it. It even annoyed me that the media kept going on and on about Obama being the first black President. Sure, it is a nice marker for all far we have come, but...isn't the dream that we are not supposed to care. I can see a news story or two on it, but it seemed like a three month celebration between his election and inauguration.

#18 Posted by cattlebattle (12669 posts) - - Show Bio
@AweSam said:

Who did us white people enslave?

I know....its kind of a vague jab...I suppose when he says "us whites" I am included, which is odd being I never enslaved anyone and all my ancestors are of Irish descent, and as far as I recall....they were enslaved by British oppressors....what a mindf*ck
 
Racism is a topic like religion or politics, you can argue it forever and no one is ever truly right or wrong...
#19 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@AweSam said:

Who did us white people enslave?

I know....its kind of a vague jab...I suppose when he says "us whites" I am included, which is odd being I never enslaved anyone and all my ancestors are of Irish descent, and as far as I recall....they were enslaved by British oppressors....what a mindf*ck Racism is a topic like religion or politics, you can argue it forever and no one is ever truly right or wrong...

But we're white, we "enslave people". Is there a "How to be White" guidebook that mentions we have to enslave people or something? I don't recall enslaving people.

#20 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

@cattlebattle said:

@AweSam said:

Who did us white people enslave?

I know....its kind of a vague jab...I suppose when he says "us whites" I am included, which is odd being I never enslaved anyone and all my ancestors are of Irish descent, and as far as I recall....they were enslaved by British oppressors....what a mindf*ck Racism is a topic like religion or politics, you can argue it forever and no one is ever truly right or wrong...

But we're white, we "enslave people". Is there a "How to be White" guidebook that mentions we have to enslave people or something? I don't recall enslaving people.

It's really an oversight in the education system. I'm worried that future generations of Caucasians will not be sure how to oppress minorities. Sad times...

#21 Posted by cattlebattle (12669 posts) - - Show Bio
@AweSam said:

@cattlebattle said:


But we're white, we "enslave people". Is there a "How to be White" guidebook that mentions we have to enslave people or something? I don't recall enslaving people.

Nope....its supposed to be hardwired....hell, I enslaved like 5 people from India on my way to the grocery store this morning   :) 
#22 Posted by Necrotic_Lycanthrope (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

The issue of racism is something that I'm forced to see everyday I go to college. I'm Italian, my direct descendants for the most part where farmers in Sicily trying to make a living by enslaving mules not people. I'm stuck, however, having to hear the same 2-3 groups of people preach about how the "white" man is the evil one, how our society is tarnished by the ills that the "white" man has done to everyone.

Um, I'm first generation Sicilian. Sicilians and other south Italians where horrendously discriminated against when they first started immigrating on mass to the states, sometimes worse that the treatment African Americans endured. Plus there's bigotry between the Northern Italians against the Southerns, mainly because the south are viewed to be dirty, stinky and lazy bums, while the Northerners are like New Englanders; snappy dressed, living in big ass cities etc.

Plus the mob has really taken the name of Sicilians and made it into a bad thing.

So with all this, how have me and my family played the part of the evil white people? Heck, I don't even know if I should be labeled an evil "white" person because my skin is naturally dark in pigment.

#23 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@AweSam said:

@cattlebattle said:

But we're white, we "enslave people". Is there a "How to be White" guidebook that mentions we have to enslave people or something? I don't recall enslaving people.

Nope....its supposed to be hardwired....hell, I enslaved like 5 people from India on my way to the grocery store this morning :)

Keep up the good work

#24 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't saying that just some white people are racist because I know a lot of racist people of other races. I've seen Mexicans get singled out just because there Mexican and I've saw Caucasions get treated wrongly because they aren't black. Racism is something that happens everywhere. We all probraly have made a few racial slurs but where real racism exist is in hatred.

#25 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4699 posts) - - Show Bio

No one can find an appropriate racial slur for me. I'm untouchable.

#26 Posted by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe: I bet I could

#27 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

Morgan Freeman sums it up...

#28 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

@menaceforever said:

Wasn't intentional at all. Not trying to be racist but these things need to be said.

That's something a racist would say......

#29 Edited by sesquipedalophobe (4699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Duke_Nasty: Not likely. The closest someone came to insulting me was at a Star Trek convention when a Klingon said, "You couldn't handle the bat'leth or gagh, hu-man." Even then, it was a no-go for that mofo.
#30 Posted by Sonata (6264 posts) - - Show Bio

  

#31 Posted by SC (12899 posts) - - Show Bio
@cyberninja said:
We made societies, and societies invented racism,  it's all a learned behavior, and a vicious cycle. If every child was exposed to different cultures at a young age, and taught to respect it instead of every group living in their own tiny pathetic bubble in which every kid is being taught that they're special and different from all other kids in the world, then the world would have been a LITTLE better. We're all humans, you would think we're all the same, but the truth is most people actually believe that everyone is different, and as long as there is difference, there will be racism. Oh f*ck it, why do I care, I already lost hope in humanity anyways. 
 
Nicely said. 
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#32 Edited by Jezer (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyways, racism(when it's based on experience at least) originates from the Amygdala, which creates an emotional association with that memory and things related to it. So, it's not as simple as changing society as it originates in our brain and tries to help us survive. I mean, sure it might eliminate racism specifically. But another "ism" like hairism would come up in its place. You're gonna look at a specific characteristic associated with the person associated in that memory and have a fear association based on it. Because being able to look at a charging Tiger and indiscriminately judge that it might hurt you, on an emotional level without you having to think, helps you survive. That's the basis of racism, in some cases. Furthermore, it bypasses cognitive brain processes(when its based on experience), so it's not something you can control too well. Unless you maybe realize what's happening.

Moving on, there was a heated debate about Racism last semester in my Philosophy of Law Class. The main sides were(And I'm gonna describe them with their race):

1. A white guy arguing that affirmative action and such enforces that people are different, that races exist, and thus it is racist and creates feelings of racism. He believed that races are socially constructed, in a way, and therefore we should be simply ignoring race in order to solve the problem of racism.

2. A hispanic girl arguing that pretending racial differences don't exist ignores the history and success of fighting for racial equality. And what if us minorities want the advantage?

These seem to be the main sides on the issue of race and racism. Ignoring race, and thus racial history vs. Acknowledging racial history and racial differences.

And then, a third party entered the debate - he was the guy that answered the most questions in class and all that jazz. Pretty intelligent. A white guy who said:

3. I agree with both sides. Acknowledging racial differences enforces racism and racial differences. However, because of the history of things such as slavery, races are a social reality that we can't ignore. In an ideal world, we would be able to say that races don't exist and we are all human and we can't say that there are "racial needs" like Affirmative Action. But, our world is far from ideal - we can't ignore the impact that past differences on the basis of race has done to society. We can't, for example, ignore that Slavery stunted blacks economic growth and put them back a century or so economically, leading into Segregation which did the same thing. We can't ignore that Racial Segregation led to the high percentage of blacks in impoverished areas, ghettos, and that Racial Segregation has been basically been justified as Economic Segregation, as a large percentage of poor areas are made up of minorities.

On which side do I fall on the issue?

Oh, and OP, racism* is how its spelled. ('-' )

#33 Posted by krilling (2488 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sonata said:

Da real Uncle Ruckus.

I must say that racists can amuse me a lot (sometimes).

#34 Posted by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

Yeah, racism is stupid, but I think Freeman is right. The more you talk about it, the more you empower it. It even annoyed me that the media kept going on and on about Obama being the first black President. Sure, it is a nice marker for all far we have come, but...isn't the dream that we are not supposed to care. I can see a news story or two on it, but it seemed like a three month celebration between his election and inauguration.

I think Ignoring the fact that Its still here Is even worse.

#35 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@utotheg38 said:

@PsychoKnights said:

Yeah, racism is stupid, but I think Freeman is right. The more you talk about it, the more you empower it. It even annoyed me that the media kept going on and on about Obama being the first black President. Sure, it is a nice marker for all far we have come, but...isn't the dream that we are not supposed to care. I can see a news story or two on it, but it seemed like a three month celebration between his election and inauguration.

I think Ignoring the fact that Its still here Is even worse.

I'm never for ignoring truth, or refusing to discuss something, but I just don't see how it helps to bring it up.

If I woke up every morning and spent significant time thinking about everybody who dislikes or hates me, I would either feel very bad about myself and defeated, or I would be angry and ready for a fight, and I don't think either one of those attitudes would be a particularly helpful attitude to have all the time. Now, if I encountered somebody who voiced their hatred of me, I might deal with it by confronting them, or complain to a friend about it, but I wouldn't try to think about it everyday or seek out signs of hatred in those around me.

I suppose what I am saying is that if someone is racist, then of course it is legitimate topic for discussion, but at the same time, their are idiots everywhere, and if it isn't directly bothering you, why not just say, "What an idiot," and get on with your life?" Of course, this is coming from a very white, white guy, and I fully admit that I understand nothing about what it means to be black.

#36 Edited by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

Fair enough, I respect your opinion.

#37 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@TERMINATORXX said:

Racism is something that has been going on for hundreds upon hundreds of years.... It will always exist...We will always have people who will hate others over their skin color, culture, religion and or country they're from.

quoted for truth.

#38 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jezer said: Interesting post all around. Did your professor lean to one side because I find that professors usually have their own agenda and throw their own weight around quite a lot. It always annoys me.

Your idea about racism being related to the amygdala is especially interesting. I've never thought of racism as a defense mechanism, but it makes sense. Obviously, that is not a defense of racism.

My problem with the idea your presented as your view of race relations in the comic is that it views the entire race as one entity. If that were the case, it would make sense, but if you believe in personal responsibility instead of collective responsibility, then it is ridiculous to ask the descendants of one group to pay for the mistakes of their forefathers.

#39 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

@utotheg38 said:

Fair enough, I respect your opinion.

Was that to me? I don't want to debate this. Again, I have no experience as a black man, so it is all speculation as to what would be best, but I am curious, how do you approach racism from an attitude perspective. Is it something you try to keep in mind, and if so, do you feel it helps you, and how does it help?

#40 Posted by utotheg38 (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

@utotheg38 said:

Fair enough, I respect your opinion.

Was that to me? I don't want to debate this. Again, I have no experience as a black man, so it is all speculation as to what would be best, but I am curious, how do you approach racism from an attitude perspective. Is it something you try to keep in mind, and if so, do you feel it helps you, and how does it help?

Too lazy :D

#41 Posted by BatWatch (2580 posts) - - Show Bio

(Laughs) Okay, well, thanks for the honestly. (grins)

#42 Posted by Odyssey_Dawn (84674 posts) - - Show Bio

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#43 Posted by Sexy Merc (42071 posts) - - Show Bio
It is a fact that there are no different human races on this planet. All humans are belonging to the subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. The genetic differences within a group of "white" people is bigger than the average difference between "white" and "black" people. That fact makes the whole idea of different races among humans obsolete. But for sure, that will not stop ignorant people from talking about nonsense like human races.
 
I likely have more in common with a person who has a PhD in physics and has an interest in sports from the U.S., with black skin, than with some random Italian white guy living in Canada ; ).
#44 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

Morgan Freeman sums it up...

This

#45 Edited by Jezer (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

@Jezer said: Interesting post all around. Did your professor lean to one side because I find that professors usually have their own agenda and throw their own weight around quite a lot. It always annoys me.

Your idea about racism being related to the amygdala is especially interesting. I've never thought of racism as a defense mechanism, but it makes sense. Obviously, that is not a defense of racism.

My problem with the idea your presented as your view of race relations in the comic is that it views the entire race as one entity. If that were the case, it would make sense, but if you believe in personal responsibility instead of collective responsibility, then it is ridiculous to ask the descendants of one group to pay for the mistakes of their forefathers.

My professor didn't. She encouraged us to discuss and articulate our thoughts, but didn't really lean to any side or say anyone was right. She mostly just questioned us about things we said to try to point out any flaws and counter arguments, and taught the material. And then tried to get us to think about how particular philosophers would think about whatever issue. At my university, I haven't encountered any particular professor teaching their own agenda.

Thanks. As a Psych Major, I'd say it is a well known idea(or even fact) in the realm of Psychology.

True. But, I don't think it's personal responsibility versus collective responsibility. I believe you have both. I mean, while we are individuals, we're also different cultures. The American People are one entity under our country and our flag. We are all united as one entity under the category of American Society. We all have several different categories that we use to describe ourselves, as well as being individually different from others in that category. It's both, not one or the other.

So, a minority in an impoverished area is personally responsible to a degree to strive to get a good education. To try to do good in school and take advantage of opportunities. Now, I say to a degree because their parents encouragement, media influences, peer influences, and even certain actions that the mom does to the the person as an infant will influence how responsible they are for motivating themselves or not, to a degree(if you grow up indoctrinated that education accomplishes nothing, how can you be responsible for not seeking an education?).

At the same time, society is collectively responsible to allow those minorities those opportunities - a good education system in their neighborhood, access to it, financial aid and scholarships to attend universities, ect. It's societies responsibility to allow minorities the soil and nutrients, so that they can then choose to take advantage and grow towards a better future.(obligatory analogy)

The thing is - it's not asking the "descendants of one group to pay for the mistakes of their forefathers". That makes it sound like the comic shows him asking for reparations.

It's asking for society, the people in charge in various areas - alot of which happen to be white - to help us blacks to reach an equal level. It's asking not you specifically and all the white people, it's asking your collective race to help my collective race reach similar levels of employment, education, ect. If you view it as a punishment(negative), then that's taking the emphasis off what it's supposed to be doing(positive) - helping us. It's not even particularly asking your race/whites; it's asking people who can make changes in society(alot of which happen to be of your race).

#46 Posted by _Zombie_ (10383 posts) - - Show Bio

There's a small error in your thread title. Almost like you switched two letters around..

#47 Posted by The Stegman (23778 posts) - - Show Bio

People love to find reasons and excuses to hate one another, whether it be race, religion, gender or sexuality. I can guarantee you if we were all asexual, creatures of the exact same race, creed and religious beliefs, we'll still find SOMETHING to hate another for.

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#48 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

People love to find reasons and excuses to hate one another, whether it be race, religion, gender or sexuality. I can guarantee you if we were all asexual, creatures of the exact same race, creed and religious beliefs, we'll still find SOMETHING to hate another for.

I disagree! And because of that! I hate you! Nyahahaha!

#49 Posted by Cozy_Da_Djed_Eye (10001 posts) - - Show Bio

Is "Ginger" a racial slur?

#50 Edited by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@CozyDaPrynce said:

Is "Ginger" a racial slur?

Racist no offensive probab;y

My stance on racism is that it is stupid, if you hate someone you had better have a better damn reason than they look different than you.