Pro-gay Christians

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

These threads are always so frustrating.

I'd be banned so f**king fast if I said what I really wanted to say about the anti-gay side.

Or the original beliefs from where all this comes from themselves.

Become an atheist. We don't hate anyone here. Unless you murder, rape, etc. But that's a given.

:D

Christian doctrine dictates in Leviticus 18:22 - "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

You really cannot get past that, I mean I believe in Christians values (to a degree) as it is what our society is based on but I wouldn't identify myself as Christians as I am not Homophobic.

I also find it hard to believe that two atoms randomly stumbled across each other and started the Universe but do not believe in an all powerful God.

All I know is that I have no problems with Gay people or Civil Ceremonies. What I object to is trying to change the definition of 'a union of Man and Woman before God' to 'a union of two people before God' as Christianity cannot support Gay Marriage. Marriage is a religious thing and you cannot get past that, or pretend that it doesn't matter.

In the UK (I would assume that) most Gay couples wouldn't choose to marry either as they get many more benefits (such as avoidance for some taxes) by living together unmarried, but there was also a statistic three weeks ago saying that there was a statistic that was something around the number of '3% of people in the UK consider themselves Gay' whilst at least 70% of UK residents identify themselves as Christians. I don't know but it seems insignificant when most of them won't get married anyway due to tax reductions.

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

It seems you are looking back at Christianity from the perspective of a non-believer (an out-group member). Rather than as an in-group member.

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

they may consider themselves that... but Yahweh / Jesus may not be too happy about them disobeying a Law that was never overturned... there is no where in the Bible where GOD condones Homosexuality.
( not saying this is my personal view... but the Bible is pretty clear on this issue )

The Bible is also pretty clear on a wife's position in the household, but if a man told a woman to "obey" him in this day and age, unless that woman was in an abusive relationship she'd tell him to f__k himself. Times change as do our interpretation of biblical text. There are Islamic women who are wearing modern clothes that still go to Mosque and consider themselves Islamic, even if some more traditional people of the Islamic faith wouldn't. I'm just saying that despite what the bible says a christian has the choice to not believe in every line and still be Christian depeding on their definition of Christian.

@soduh2 said:

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

It seems you are looking back at Christianity from the perspective of a non-believer (an out-group member). Rather than as an in-group member.

Well I suppose so, I am no longer Christian, but I know Christians that support gay rights and still go to church. I've never bothered to ask why though.

No you can't be a true Christian while supporting gay rights....

I'm a atheist

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

they may consider themselves that... but Yahweh / Jesus may not be too happy about them disobeying a Law that was never overturned... there is no where in the Bible where GOD condones Homosexuality.
( not saying this is my personal view... but the Bible is pretty clear on this issue )

The Bible is also pretty clear on a wife's position in the household, but if a man told a woman to "obey" him in this day and age, unless that woman was in an abusive relationship she'd tell him to f__k himself. Times change as do our interpretation of biblical text. There are Islamic women who are wearing modern clothes that still go to Mosque and consider themselves Islamic, even if some more traditional people of the Islamic faith wouldn't. I'm just saying that despite what the bible says a christian has the choice to not believe in every line and still be Christian depeding on their definition of Christian.

@DarkKnightDetective said:

I'm a christian and I find no problem with gay people. It's just the way they are. Who the hell am I to judge them?

Quote for the win.

When it comes to religious point of view on social events followers have no right to speak for their god in any capacity. It would be like an "ants" who are talking to other "ants" about you as a human saying how you dislike individualism in the colony of ants.

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

they may consider themselves that... but Yahweh / Jesus may not be too happy about them disobeying a Law that was never overturned... there is no where in the Bible where GOD condones Homosexuality.
( not saying this is my personal view... but the Bible is pretty clear on this issue )

The Bible is also pretty clear on a wife's position in the household, but if a man told a woman to "obey" him in this day and age, unless that woman was in an abusive relationship she'd tell him to f__k himself. Times change as do our interpretation of biblical text. There are Islamic women who are wearing modern clothes that still go to Mosque and consider themselves Islamic, even if some more traditional people of the Islamic faith wouldn't. I'm just saying that despite what the bible says a christian has the choice to not believe in every line and still be Christian depending on their definition of Christian.

There is No Point in The Bible where it condones Homosexual behavior... this means that there is No Interpretation from The Bible that can be given to condone it unless you completely change the texts... and to change the texts means you are not following what GOD is telling you to do honestly. Think of it another way... if The Bible was Inspired by GOD and this GOD is responsible for creating you and the entire universe... and this same GOD tells you from this inspired divine text that Homosexuality is an Abomination... if you believe in this GOD and say "well I don't think when he says that he really means that homosexuality is bad" then you are basically saying "YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE" and how can you follow GOD with all your heart if you claim you know better than he does ? or that he got it wrong there ?

I don't know Saturn, people exist that support gay rights, are even gay themselves that consider themselves Christians. Whether they are "true" Christians that follow the bible word for word or don't follow the bible, but believe in Jesus and God is something they have to decide on their own.

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

@King Saturn said:

@Blood1991 said:

Whoa this thread is intense...

Alright I'm an Athiest I do not believe in god, but as a former christian and as a person who has explored many religions. I have learned that we interpret and worship in different ways. Some are very strict, and other more personal, but we ultimately choose who or what we believe in or if we believe in anything at all.

So yes someone who considers them self christian can support gay rights. Others who consider themselves christian may not see things the same way, but it is ultimately a personal choice.

they may consider themselves that... but Yahweh / Jesus may not be too happy about them disobeying a Law that was never overturned... there is no where in the Bible where GOD condones Homosexuality.
( not saying this is my personal view... but the Bible is pretty clear on this issue )

The Bible is also pretty clear on a wife's position in the household, but if a man told a woman to "obey" him in this day and age, unless that woman was in an abusive relationship she'd tell him to f__k himself. Times change as do our interpretation of biblical text. There are Islamic women who are wearing modern clothes that still go to Mosque and consider themselves Islamic, even if some more traditional people of the Islamic faith wouldn't. I'm just saying that despite what the bible says a christian has the choice to not believe in every line and still be Christian depending on their definition of Christian.

There is No Point in The Bible where it condones Homosexual behavior... this means that there is No Interpretation from The Bible that can be given to condone it unless you completely change the texts... and to change the texts means you are not following what GOD is telling you to do honestly. Think of it another way... if The Bible was Inspired by GOD and this GOD is responsible for creating you and the entire universe... and this same GOD tells you from this inspired divine text that Homosexuality is an Abomination... if you believe in this GOD and say "well I don't think when he says that he really means that homosexuality is bad" then you are basically saying "YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE" and how can you follow GOD with all your heart if you claim you know better than he does ? or that he got it wrong there ?

I don't know Saturn, people exist that support gay rights, are even gay themselves that consider themselves Christians. Whether they are "true" Christians that follow the bible word for word or don't follow the bible, but believe in Jesus and God is something they have to decide on their own.

@Trodorne said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

I'm a christian and I find no problem with gay people. It's just the way they are. Who the hell am I to judge them?

Quote for the win.

When it comes to religious point of view on social events followers have no right to speak for their god in any capacity. It would be like an "ants" who are talking to other "ants" about you as a human saying how you dislike individualism in the colony of ants.

In at least 4 different books of the Bible god clearly and specifically states how he feels about a specific "social event". So we know exactly how he feels on the subject.

Gays did it!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-preacher-blames-gays-hurricane-sandy291012

"Chaplain John McTernan has said God's judgment of gays caused the hurricane nearing the east coast of the United States"

@WillPayton said:

Gays did it!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-preacher-blames-gays-hurricane-sandy291012

"Chaplain John McTernan has said God's judgment of gays caused the hurricane nearing the east coast of the United States"

Was thinking something like this was coming.

Its just pathetic really.

@WillPayton said:

Gays did it!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-preacher-blames-gays-hurricane-sandy291012

"Chaplain John McTernan has said God's judgment of gays caused the hurricane nearing the east coast of the United States"

Oh come on that's absurd! Yet another bigot that's warping people's perceptions of homosexuality by claiming they caused a natural disaster. Some omnibenevolent deity he turned out to be.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@WillPayton said:

Gays did it!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-preacher-blames-gays-hurricane-sandy291012

"Chaplain John McTernan has said God's judgment of gays caused the hurricane nearing the east coast of the United States"

Was thinking something like this was coming.

Its just pathetic really.

Happens every time. Same thing with Japan earthquake/tsunami, same thing with Indian Ocean one that killed 230,000 people.

Dont worry though. If God kills you in a storm, or tsunami, it's because he loves you... so, very, much. And, once you're good and killed, you'll have all eternity to tell him how awesome he is.

@Darkknightde then your not a true Christian then. Yes gay people should have equal rights. But you can't support gays rights while claiming to be true Christian.

@lykopis I have to agree

Christian love!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/westboro-baptist-church-hurricane-sandy-east-coast_n_2039564.html

"Hurricane Sandy is hitting 21 years to the day of the Perfect Storm of October 20, 1991 [sic]," McTernan writes on his blog. The anti-LGBT minister continued, "It appears that God gave America 21 years to repent of interfering with His prophetic plan for Israel; however, it has gotten worse under all the presidents and especially Obama. Obama is 100 percent behind the Muslim Brotherhood which has vowed to destroy Israel and take Jerusalem. Both candidates are pro-homosexual and are behind the homosexual agenda. America is under political judgment and the church does not know it!"

@Kal'smahboi:

"The Bible was collected by the institutions that I'm referring to. I don't think that reading the Bible is necessary to be a Christian."

Only if you have access to the knowledge of the 1st century church. Otherwise, the Bible is not only necessary but vital (as it is a collection of writings that came from the first century).

"I did not mean to place the creed as the central authority, but as a general outline of what Christians believe. Obviously "one holy apostolic church" was the part I was referring to when I said that only MOST of it was universally agreed upon."

You cannot seperate scripture from the creed.

@Kal'smahboi said:

@soduh2: K I'm really really done talking about this. It's clear that I have nothing more to gain from this discussion.

Alright

happy christians are cool

@soduh2 said:

@Kal'smahboi:

"The Bible was collected by the institutions that I'm referring to. I don't think that reading the Bible is necessary to be a Christian."

Only if you have access to the knowledge of the 1st century church. Otherwise, the Bible is not only necessary but vital (as it is a collection of writings that came from the first century).

"I did not mean to place the creed as the central authority, but as a general outline of what Christians believe. Obviously "one holy apostolic church" was the part I was referring to when I said that only MOST of it was universally agreed upon."

You cannot seperate scripture from the creed.

@WillPayton said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@WillPayton said:

Gays did it!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-preacher-blames-gays-hurricane-sandy291012

"Chaplain John McTernan has said God's judgment of gays caused the hurricane nearing the east coast of the United States"

Was thinking something like this was coming.

Its just pathetic really.

Happens every time. Same thing with Japan earthquake/tsunami, same thing with Indian Ocean one that killed 230,000 people.

Dont worry though. If God kills you in a storm, or tsunami, it's because he loves you... so, very, much. And, once you're good and killed, you'll have all eternity to tell him how awesome he is.

Thats the hypocrisy of religion right there.

I would rather take my chances in hell than spend an eternity with him.

This the stupidest group of uneducated morons I've ever read. Both side that I've seen here are stupid and wrong. You people don't even know nor understand what your reading. This page is now deemed a waste of energy time and life.

@thisguyisgoingtoheaven: this hasn't been used in over 2 years.

He is trolling... look at his post count and the fact he has not avatar. This is not by any means an established user even of the least.

The problem is that some Christians unfortunately don't accept the Bible as being altogether authoritative. The Bible clearly speaks out against homosexuality and same-sex marriage; certain individuals choose to reject this teaching for their own purposes, though.