Preview of Batman And Robin #1

I for one totally loved Tomasi's 3 issue arc and if this "Nobody" cat's as interesting a villain as The White Knight was, then I should thoroughly enjoy myself! Take a peek and drop your own thoughts. 

@JonesDeini: Is the Robin still Damian? 
 
If they retcon the whole Talia/Bruce relationship, I will murder someone.

@cattlebattle: Phew! *Wipes forehead ... and puts away hunting rifle*  Thanks for the confirmation!

@RainEffect:  Honestly I wouldn't mind that relationship being retconned. Morrison admittedly made a mistake with the whole "rape baby" origin for Damian. He wanted to bring Son of The Demon in as cannon, but hadn't read it in so many years and wrote Damian's origin based on what he thought happened. Damian's definitely still around though...for better or worse. 

At first I was going to pass on this series (strictly due to money) but now I think I'm gonna pick it up. I like Tomasi a lot. He's a pretty awesome writer 

@JonesDeini said:

@RainEffect:  Honestly I wouldn't mind that relationship being retconned. Morrison admittedly made a mistake with the whole "rape baby" origin for Damian. He wanted to bring Son of The Demon in as cannon, but hadn't read it in so many years and wrote Damian's origin based on what he thought happened. Damian's definitely still around though...for better or worse. 

I hate that they made the Damian thing a rape scenario. It's ridiculous. The relationship between Talia and Bruce is by far my favourite comic book relationship of all time, and having it spat on like that is an massive insult.

@RainEffect:  Yeah, me no likey Batrape...or how Morrison Handled Talia at all to be honest. 

@RainEffect said:

@JonesDeini said:

@RainEffect:  Honestly I wouldn't mind that relationship being retconned. Morrison admittedly made a mistake with the whole "rape baby" origin for Damian. He wanted to bring Son of The Demon in as cannon, but hadn't read it in so many years and wrote Damian's origin based on what he thought happened. Damian's definitely still around though...for better or worse. 

I hate that they made the Damian thing a rape scenario. It's ridiculous. The relationship between Talia and Bruce is by far my favourite comic book relationship of all time, and having it spat on like that is an massive insult.

Time to move on,Talia and Bruce have'nt been in a relationship since the 80's,infact i challange you to find an incontinuity comic from the last 15-18 years where they kiss each other,exculding Hush and flashback scenes. I ship her with other people now(Kobra,Deathstroke,Bane)
@JonesDeini said:

@RainEffect:  Yeah, me no likey Batrape...or how Morrison Handled Talia at all to be honest. 

LOL,i would like to clear something.Morrison actually was'nt wrong in thinking that Talia may have forced Bruce to sleep with her.The actual marriage between Talia and Bruce took place in DC special series Batman spectacular,and there Batman was unconscious during the ceremony(LoL).Son of the Demon had Batman accepting that particular marriage as being legit,something which he had refused to do initially.  As for this preview,i'm honestly not sure what to think,Brightest Day,GL:corps and Black Adam:the dark age were all very average.Tomasi's Nightwing was off to a great start but it ended abruptly due to Bruce's death.His Batman and Robin arc was okay but it was only Dick whose characterization was spot on.

@JonesDeini: who raped talia, batman ?

@JonesDeini: who raped talia, batman ?

@higher_evolutionary said:

@JonesDeini: who raped talia, batman ?

other way around

@entropy_aegis: 
You said - "Time to move on,Talia and Bruce have'nt been in a relationship since the 80's,infact i challange you to find an incontinuity comic from the last 15-18 years where they kiss each other,exculding Hush and flashback scenes." 
 
I provided two instances that aren't Hush where they've shared intimacy or there has been a representation of intimacy. In fact, during Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, there's a moment that they blatantly lock eyes with each other intimately. I don't know how to scan a CD Image Display file, but I can tell you that it occurs after Bruce stitches up a wound of hers and he asks her if she's alright. They stare at each other in one panel, the next one, Bruce smiles. 
 
So, that's my answer to your challenge. 
 
As for the Dick Grayson thing, it wasn't canonly 'proven' to my knowledge. There are a variety of scans from Gotham City Sirens of her moving with outstanding agility. The reason I made the connection between the two of them is that she was trained in Ninjutsu. Combine that with her heightened physical aspects provided from continuous use of the Lazarus Pits and it makes sense. To be fair, I don't know of Dick Grayson too well, aside from his gymnastics background. If you can provide me with a decent argument against the agility comparison, I'll change it.

@higher_evolutionary: i think Talia raped Batman....just like how Green Arrow got raped...apparently it's easy to rape crime fighting billionaire vigilantes in the Dc universe 

@RainEffect said:

@entropy_aegis: 
You said - "Time to move on,Talia and Bruce have'nt been in a relationship since the 80's,infact i challange you to find an incontinuity comic from the last 15-18 years where they kiss each other,exculding Hush and flashback scenes." 
 
I provided two instances that aren't Hush where they've shared intimacy or there has been a representation of intimacy. In fact, during Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, there's a moment that they blatantly lock eyes with each other intimately. I don't know how to scan a CD Image Display file, but I can tell you that it occurs after Bruce stitches up a wound of hers and he asks her if she's alright. They stare at each other in one panel, the next one, Bruce smiles. 
 
So, that's my answer to your challenge. 
 
As for the Dick Grayson thing, it wasn't canonly 'proven' to my knowledge. There are a variety of scans from Gotham City Sirens of her moving with outstanding agility. The reason I made the connection between the two of them is that she was trained in Ninjutsu. Combine that with her heightened physical aspects provided from continuous use of the Lazarus Pits and it makes sense. To be fair, I don't know of Dick Grayson too well, aside from his gymnastics background. If you can provide me with a decent argument against the agility comparison, I'll change it.

I asked for a panel where they kiss,but regardless i never questioned their feelings,i simply stated that they have'nt been a couple in a long time and this is true.There was an instance in Resurrection where she attempted to slap him and later she took Damian and ran away leaving him and the others against Ra's and the LOA. No Mans Land is the only story with a decent interaction between Bruce and Talia that comes to mind,he has'nt even met her ever since he returned from the past. A lot of people are trained in Ninjutsu in the comics.Dick's agility is off the charts for most human characters,Bruce,Cassandra, and maybe Selina,Shiva and Bane are the only non metas' that can compare.Jason and Tim are good too,but Talia does'nt make it on that level.

@The Stegman said:

@higher_evolutionary: i think Talia raped Batman....just like how Green Arrow got raped...apparently it's easy to rape crime fighting billionaire vigilantes in the Dc universe 

Didn't Dick get raped too?

@entropy_aegis said:

@RainEffect said:

@entropy_aegis: 
You said - "Time to move on,Talia and Bruce have'nt been in a relationship since the 80's,infact i challange you to find an incontinuity comic from the last 15-18 years where they kiss each other,exculding Hush and flashback scenes." 
 
I provided two instances that aren't Hush where they've shared intimacy or there has been a representation of intimacy. In fact, during Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul, there's a moment that they blatantly lock eyes with each other intimately. I don't know how to scan a CD Image Display file, but I can tell you that it occurs after Bruce stitches up a wound of hers and he asks her if she's alright. They stare at each other in one panel, the next one, Bruce smiles. 
 
So, that's my answer to your challenge. 
 
As for the Dick Grayson thing, it wasn't canonly 'proven' to my knowledge. There are a variety of scans from Gotham City Sirens of her moving with outstanding agility. The reason I made the connection between the two of them is that she was trained in Ninjutsu. Combine that with her heightened physical aspects provided from continuous use of the Lazarus Pits and it makes sense. To be fair, I don't know of Dick Grayson too well, aside from his gymnastics background. If you can provide me with a decent argument against the agility comparison, I'll change it.

I asked for a panel where they kiss,but regardless i never questioned their feelings,i simply stated that they have'nt been a couple in a long time and this is true.There was an instance in Resurrection where she attempted to slap him and later she took Damian and ran away leaving him and the others against Ra's and the LOA. No Mans Land is the only story with a decent interaction between Bruce and Talia that comes to mind,he has'nt even met her ever since he returned from the past. A lot of people are trained in Ninjutsu in the comics.Dick's agility is off the charts for most human characters,Bruce,Cassandra, and maybe Selina,Shiva and Bane are the only non metas' that can compare.Jason and Tim are good too,but Talia does'nt make it on that level.

A relationship doesn't have to be justified by physical contact. The instances I gave on her page are all intimate events that directly contrast the retcon rape and how a major portion of her personality is loyal to Bruce Wayne (but, sadly, more loyal to Damian at the end of the day). 
 
You forget, Talia's physical skills have been moderately augmented by the Lazarus Pits. They're not on a Super Soldier Serum level, and probably not as augmented as Ra's', but augmented nonetheless. But, you're right, it was a little ambitious for me to match her to Dick; as he is the best gymnast in the Gotham Universe. I'll go and fix it up.