Omnipotent Being vs Omniscience Being

"If you are a conscious being, you automatically have any (what you call) power. If I'm an omniscient human, than I automaticlly have human abilities and power. If I'm an omniscient alien, than I automatically have that alien species powers. If I'm an omniscient ghost, I automatically have the power of ghosts.  An omniscient being, as a being or entity, has some sort of power. There's no such thing as something having no power/ability. Atoms can vibrate, space can expand, ect.Its there by default. "

THEORY!

" @Jezer said:

"If you are a conscious being, you automatically have any (what you call) power. If I'm an omniscient human, than I automaticlly have human abilities and power. If I'm an omniscient alien, than I automatically have that alien species powers. If I'm an omniscient ghost, I automatically have the power of ghosts.  An omniscient being, as a being or entity, has some sort of power. There's no such thing as something having no power/ability. Atoms can vibrate, space can expand, ect.Its there by default. "

THEORY!

I know every being has some sort of power. That's why I'm constantly avoiding practical examples. That's why I'm constantly emphasizing that I'm speaking from a theoretical point of view of a being whose only attribute is omniscience. "

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the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence).

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conscious, mortal existence; life: Ourbeingisasaninstantaneousflashoflightinthemidstofeternalnight.

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substance or nature: ofsuchabeingastoarousefear.

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something that exists: inanimatebeings.

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a human being; person: themostbeautifulbeingyoucouldimagine.

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( initial capital letter ) God.

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Philosophy.

a.

that which has actuality either materially or in idea.

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absolute existence in a complete or perfect state, lacking no essential characteristic; essence.  
 
If it's a "being", then it automatically has more attributes than simply being "omnscient". 
An omniscient being would have to have a medium for its existence, or a medium with which to apply the adjective "omniscient" .  
For example, an omnipotent book is a book. An omnipotent wizard is a wizard.
From this medium, you get more attributes.  
 
You can't use an adjective as a quality or attribute to describe nothing.

" @ThaJuggernautKick said:

" @napoleon said:

" @ThaJuggernautKick: and how the hell does that mean the omniscent guy will win. he is still just a human. and with an omnipotent being time doesn't really exist, he can learn how to use all of his unlimited power faster than time itself, an omnipotent doesn't have limited brain capacity like humans, it is as infinate as he wills it to be. in fact for him to be omnipotent the omniscent man would be a creation he made in his infinate wisdom "

So how are you saying he gains that power? By reading books? An Omnipotent can't just will himself to be all knowledgeable. He already needs to be all knowing to begin with.  If you were omnipotent and wanted to be smart, you can WILL all you want to, but you will not gain knowledge, you will only have to power to increase your data storage and the speed where it can transfer, but you STILL need to tranfer the data regardless. "

@ThaJuggernautKick:@ThaJuggernautKick said:

" My point is that an omnipotent NEEDS trail and error! A Omniscient DOES NOT. "

what in God's name are you talking about. for the omnipotent to be omnipotent he must do EVERYTHING, so why the hell are you constantly putting limitations on the word? it doesnt make any God damn sence. an omnipotent doesn't need to learn from realty, he created it., he would have even meticulously designed every future. he doesn't aquire knowledge, he is it's creator. why the hell is that so hard to understand?. reality, thought, perseption are all in his design. so why the hell does he need to learn from what he's made?, from what is in esance an extetion of his will and soul and as such all experiance is his desire and since all of his creations are an extnstion of himself he experiances EVERTHING ANYWAY. your acting like an omnipent cant do what the hell he wants to, which is stupid because that is what the word means "

" @Jezer:  Aren't you the one saying omnipotent and omniscient beings spit in the face of impossibility? :P "

" @Jezer:  Aren't you the one saying omnipotent and omniscient beings spit in the face of impossibility? :P "

" @AtPhantom said:

" @Jezer:  Aren't you the one saying omnipotent and omniscient beings spit in the face of impossibility? :P "

The Omnipotent can do the possible. The Omniscient can do the Impossible.  Omnipotent can control what it only knows. Not things that it does not. That's where the two differ. The Omniscient knows about everything and nothing.  It can destroy things by KNOWING that it isn't there.  "

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Will the Omnipotent know what this means? Nope. But the Omniscient does. LOL

" @AtPhantom said:

" @Jezer:  Aren't you the one saying omnipotent and omniscient beings spit in the face of impossibility? :P "

The Omnipotent can do the possible. The Omniscient can do the Impossible.  Omnipotent can control what it only knows. Not things that it does not. That's where the two differ. The Omniscient knows about everything and nothing.  It can destroy things by KNOWING that it isn't there.  "

"lolYeah, but it has to be a being/something first.  An omnipotent/omniscient being has to have that attribute before it can utilize it to achieve something as impossible as - being an adjective, with no noun. (Like, "the cool bus." being "the cool". And arguing about whether "the cool" can beat "the car" in a race) "

" @ThaJuggernautKick:  YOU MAKE NO SENCE. how can the creation do the impossible? how can the creator be limited? all i hear i hear coming from your mouth is nonsensical bolloks. so, say the omnipoten being is the script writer, and the omniscent being is the charater, what your bassicaly saying is the character can write himself? or can write te future of the script writer? "

" @Jezer said:

"lolYeah, but it has to be a being/something first.  An omnipotent/omniscient being has to have that attribute before it can utilize it to achieve something as impossible as - being an adjective, with no noun. (Like, "the cool bus." being "the cool". And arguing about whether "the cool" can beat "the car" in a race) "

My point is that omniscience by itself is not enough to get you by. You need something extra. Some tiny little bit of power just to get you going. Omnipotence doesn't need anything. Omnipotence, by itself, presumes any other attribute you'd require to win, including omniscience. "

no one seems to get this.
so i'll explain it.
to be omnipotent you would have to have created EVERYTHING, time, space, thought, matter, the futures. to do this you would have to be part of everything, because it is infused with your power, so you become instantly omnipresent and since you creaed EVERYTHING and designed it you would know EVERYTHING. also an omnipotent being would have created itself and as such could and can design itself however it god damn well likes (so any perseption it wants it is designed with), it can do this before creation. it would be eternal because time is simply it's creation and as such it has no begining and end. since the unierce and everything in i is his he can re-design it however he GODDAMN LIKES, AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS OR DOES'NT HAPPEN IS SIMPLY HIS WILL. HE WOULD BE A DUALITY OF THE UNIVERSE SINCE ALL THING COME FROM HIM. HE WOULD BE ALL THAT IS YET SEPRATE FROM IT, HE WOULD BE LIMITED, YET INFINATE, HE WOULD BE INFALLIBLE, BUT ABLE TO PPROVE HIMSELF WRONG. he would be every possible thought and sensation and future, yet have a limited personality. you CANNOT put a limit n the limitless

" @ThaJuggernautKick:  no its not you idiot. which one of them has the reponsibilty to do all? if you say the omniscent thn you are offialy retarded "

" @ThaJuggernautKick: no it's not. if you have the power to make intelligence, then why would intelligance be what started it all?it was power that allowed him to be inteligent then the power is the most important part, also intelligence isn't needed when you have the power to make anything you can think of fact. and because he made time he is infinate and always had that intelligence anyway "

Ok. You if there was a retarded Omnipotent God (Bizzaro), how will he utilize that power?? 
 
THe difference is.... You CAN NOT have  a retarded OMniscient God! You can not! LOL

" Ok. You if there was a retarded Omnipotent God (Bizzaro), how will he utilize that power??  THe difference is.... You CAN NOT have  a retarded OMniscient God! You can not! LOL "

omnipotent has powers but omniscient has knowledge. so what is power without knowledge?

Omniscience being wins. All knowing beings are far too much to handle.

" Omniscience being wins. All knowing beings are far too much to handle. "

" @comicdude23 said:

" Omniscience being wins. All knowing beings are far too much to handle. "

I disagree. Omnipotence wins in a battle. The Phantom Stranger is Omniscient (or nigh) and he's not able to do that much in a battle. During Legends for example Darksied (who acknowledged the Strangers all seeing ability ) though very little of the Stranger (in fact laughed at him). Without the power to back it up (at least some sufficient power) knowing everything will not help you against someone with limitless power. "

Omnipotent would make you Omniscient as well.....WTF lol This is a stupid debate! Was since page one!

If Omni was a god, science would be the brain and potent would be the hands. presence would be the legs and feet.

Bumping this in contribution to this thread:

@TheSecondOpinion: None of the characters listed are omnipotent and if they where called that's hyperbole, if you are truly omnipotent you can only ever be threatened if you allow it, none of the listed characters where ever omnipotent.

True onmipotent's can't be beaten.

An all knowing being will know how to defeat an all powerful being, but that doesn't mean the all knowing being has the power or range to do so.

An all powerful being will have the power to defeat an all knowing being, but that doesn't mean the all powerful being has the knowledge to do so.

Omnipotent technically means ALL POWERFUL and omniscience would be part of that subset.  Omniscient technically means all knowledge, and power isn't part of the equation.
 
It's always been strange to be that omnipotent beings in comics somehow didn't know everything too.
 
Omnipotent wins, hands down, if you truly understand the words meaning.

@ThaJuggernautKick said:

Omnipotent: "I will kill you."

Omniscient: "How do you know if you can?"

Omnipotent: "I do not, but we will soon find out!"

Omniscient: "Ahh, but I already know you can't..."

Omnipotent: "How?"

Omniscient: "Because you do not have the knowledge to."

@Jezer said:

Person: "Omniscient being, do you know how to do .......?"

Omniscient being: "Yes"

Person: "Can you do.....?"

Omniscient being: "no"

Person: "Are you sure? Explain your answer to my first question, more indepthly. Do you know how to do....... and how?

Omniscient being: "Yes. You do it by doing A, B, C, and D"

Person: "Do you know how to do A, B, C, and D?"

Omniscient being: "Yes. You do this to achieve A. Then this to achieve B. Then this to achieve C and D."

Person: "Do you know how you, yourself can do all that stuff?"

Omniscient being: "yes."

Person: "So then, you can essentially do..........since you know how you can do ABCD, everything it takes to do it?"

Omniscient being: "Well....yes."

Person: "Again. Can you do....?"

Omniscient being: ".....................Yes"

@ThaJuggernautKick said:

There are:

• Knowledge
• Power
• and Means

Power > Means

Knowledge > Power

@Jezer said:

See, that's where we differ.

An omnscient being knows everything: and thus everything is possible.

Or

An omniscient beings knows everything: including what's possible and what's not possible. But wait, as under the umbrella of "everything"- it knows how to achieve the impossible, and thus nothing is impossible.

@ThaJuggernautKick said:

My point is that an omnipotent NEEDS trail and error! A Omniscient DOES NOT.

Very interesting indeed you guys. *Applaud*

@Lance Bastro said:

omnipotent is all powerful and power is not knowledge.

The power to bestow knowledge is, however.

Omnipotence ftw

Omnipotence erases Omniscience from existence.

@Agent9149 said:

An all knowing being will know how to defeat an all powerful being, but that doesn't mean the all knowing being has the power or range to do so.

An all powerful being will have the power to defeat an all knowing being, but that doesn't mean the all powerful being has the knowledge to do so.

The omniscient will realize they can't beat the omnipotent, the omnipotent can give itself or remove whatever knowledge it wants or give the omniscient false information or just remove his omniscience altogether.

Could the omniscient being convince the omnipotent one to just kill itself?

@nickzambuto said:

Could the omniscient being convince the omnipotent one to just kill itself?

Only if that where possible and only of the omnipotent allowed it to be possible in the first place. The omnipotent being can end the omniscient then and there with no words spoken, what use are words when someone can just will themselves to be aware of your intent rather than hear you out.

@Dextersinister said:

@nickzambuto said:

Could the omniscient being convince the omnipotent one to just kill itself?

Only if that where possible and only of the omnipotent allowed it to be possible in the first place. The omnipotent being can end the omniscient then and there with no words spoken, what use are words when someone can just will themselves to be aware of your intent rather than hear you out.

In theory, the omnipotent being can just make himself omniscient. There goes any chance of winning.

@nickzambuto said:

@Dextersinister said:

@nickzambuto said:

Could the omniscient being convince the omnipotent one to just kill itself?

Only if that where possible and only of the omnipotent allowed it to be possible in the first place. The omnipotent being can end the omniscient then and there with no words spoken, what use are words when someone can just will themselves to be aware of your intent rather than hear you out.

In theory, the omnipotent being can just make himself omniscient. There goes any chance of winning.

That was pretty much the reason given why this thread was pointless.

@Dextersinister said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Dextersinister said:

@nickzambuto said:

Could the omniscient being convince the omnipotent one to just kill itself?

Only if that where possible and only of the omnipotent allowed it to be possible in the first place. The omnipotent being can end the omniscient then and there with no words spoken, what use are words when someone can just will themselves to be aware of your intent rather than hear you out.

In theory, the omnipotent being can just make himself omniscient. There goes any chance of winning.

That was pretty much the reason given why this thread was pointless.

Yes, but look closer... "The omnipotentmakes himself omniscient"...

Therefore, the Omniscient wins.