NYPD cop puts a man in a chokehold. Man dies.

@The_Deathstroker: Why are you getting so worked up? You're reminding me of my self. :3

So because your group provides a valuable service it should be left unquestioned and unchallenged? Good to know. Sorry that I make you sick for daring to criticize a group.

Eh, actually...my argument is based on the premise of certainty that the NYPD Commissioner is familiar with the department he is a commissioner of. More familiar than you. That is certain lol

my argument is essentially that nothing relevant that you know invalidated the statements of the Commissioner speaking on behalf of the NYPD to the press. You have no reason to disagree with him; For the reasons we've argued back and forth and you've ultimately fallen to saying "well I dont know the policy, so I dont know if what he says is true". Lol, I don't need to prove he knows what he's talking about, it's a safe assumption since he is of the position and authority to know what he's talking about.

Ultimately, you're asserting uncertainty of his statements. I'm asserting he is more likely to be correct than you. Your job was to somehow shed doubt on him. I'm asserting that you have no knowledge/position/authority to disagree with him and nothing you've said sheds doubt on him(now that I've refuted everything you've brought forth). I'm correct.

Let me correct you again, you meant to say "I have a hard time accepting your argument because I don't know if there is a policy that is clearly broken"---You can't assert that there is "no policy clearly broken" from a base of ignorance/not knowing the policy well enough.... ('-' )

I think that's a /thread

@force_echo said:

@The_Deathstroker said:

Just strolling back in to see if anyone else said, "F*ck the police," so I know who to not be friendly with.

I am. F*ck the police.

@force_echo said:

Police brutality is a serious issue in America.

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While I don't at all agree with the people or the phrase "f*ck the police" or the generalizations behind it,that doesn't mean that it's unreasonable for people (especially a certain group,depending on who we're talking about,but usually the ones that are targets of abuse by the specific cops in question) to have some sort of uneasiness around them. It's not like every cop is the Knight in Armor that some people make them out to be,there are far too many acts of police brutality and power abuse. At the same time,that shouldn't apply to all cops,and I can't even say most.

So while a world without police officers or some sort of law enforcement would be far worse,it doesn't really change the fact that many officers might as well make it such that that world exists since they abuse their power (many times with impunity).

Basically,I don't think a person should generalize all of them (so I can't really say all are "good"/"bad" by my standards),but at the same time,a person shouldn't be naive. (not really grouping you in either category,just explaining that a person questioning those in power isn't really outrageous,especially when many of them could care less about the responsibilities of being a cop)

A cop only has to read you your Miranda rights when in Custodial custody and being questioned to the specifics of a crime. If I place you under arrest and ask where you live? I don't have to read them since that is a question anyone can ask and is public knowledge to acquire. If I arrest you and ask where were you on the night of Tuesday, July 22nd, 2014 at 1930 hours? Then I would have to read you your Miranda rights since that is a very specific question.

The cops actually only violated policy. They did not break the law, in fact the suspect did, hence why the cops where placing him under arrest and in the struggle he lost his life due to his health conditions. You use the word attack loosely here, the NYPD were attempting to control him while placing him under arrest. If they were attacking him, they would of been throwing punches, elbows, batons, etc.

Back off? Yeah I'll remember that when I'm placing someone under arrest. When they ask why I didn't arrest that man who killed someone, I'll respond, " well he told me to back off." You have any idea how ludicrous that sounds?

Why did they need that many officers there? Idk but I'm willing to bet it is because of his 31 previous times for being arrested for drug possession, assault, selling untaxed cigarettes. And the size of him, a man of that size I'd rather have more officers there than have to resort to a taser or some more lethal object, since he was resisting. Power can come from numbers.

Trying to kill him? How do you know? I know cops don't wake up and go, " I feel like killing people today!" They would never pass the psych evaluation.

Everyone is a threat until you have searched them for weapons and are in the back of a patrol car.

The cop let go of the choke hold when they went to the ground, when the other officers arrive, you see his arm loosening up.

f$ck da police!

Seriously though, they need way more accountability and regulation before they do any good. Especially the racist bastards in Montreal ^.^

I wish things like this article could still surprise me.

You have no idea how much I agree with this statement. And it's honestly sad

*continues watching Community bloopers

@generator2000: Looks like you put a fair bit of effort into your post, so its a shame that you resorted to swearing at another user. Thus your post will be deleted. Extremely inappropriate and unwanted behavior as well. If you can't remain civil with other users, then don't address other users. Will keep a thread from becoming too hostile and prevent yourself from being warned or banned. You will have a temporary three day ban, when you return to CV remember to exercise more patience and civility please. Thank you.

@jaken7: it's actually not that bad in here. but it is true that pretty much every time a white guy does something bad tp a black guy everyone loses their mind.

@cameron83: but really no one would care if it was a white guy that was killed

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Regardless, your comment was extremely ignorant and out of line.

And no one even mentioned race in regards to this subject. You're the one that brought it up! You're fueling the very thing you claim to be condemning.The dude just happened to be black. So what? It would be an outrageous abuse of power and perpetuation of excessive force if it was done to a man of any color.

It's odd that most times I hear the "if it were a white guy" or any "What If...." scenario regarding things like this that race usually isn't brought up first or even discussed.

And I don't think that his comment is even true,and it really ignores the actual matter at hand

but it is true

That's the most bullsh*t thing I've ever heard.

Oh yeah,and it's also true that straight cisgender white men are targeted more for their gender in attacks than transgender people.

#truestory

@cameron83: To be fair, there is a precedent there. One of the largest and most destructive riots in history was caused by a black man being beaten by white police officers, and said police officers being acquitted of all charges. If Rodney King had been white, there would just be the usual outrage against police brutality. But because Rodney King was black (which is why he was beaten in the first place, so the same situation with a white man is highly improbable), it sparked a race debate in this country. That's a good thing though. It wasn't too long ago where innocent black men were being lynched, and no one gave a damn. The fact that we as a nation care now is a sign of progress. And that's what @hylian refuses to understand. There is a reason why it's a big deal when a white person does something bad to a black person, and isn't as big of a deal when a white person does something bad to another white person. He/she isn't taking historical context into consideration.

I'm not saying that such bias doesn't happen,but acting as if black people have such special treatment and white people are the most unrepresented,oppressed,and persecuted race and that no one cares about them compared to minorities is just asinine to me.

Honestly,I can't say I like it when one race is put before another in ANY scenario.

I cannot even say that every single time a white guy dies that no one cares,but suddenly everyone cares when a black guy dies. Couldn't a person say the inverse or vice versa?

Oh I completely agree.

Just clarifying things a bit.

Oh,okay :)

Just sharing my thoughts on the matter,because I see those comments so many times on Youtube that it just makes me depressed thinking about it XD

@generator2000: the stuff you link, the videos are irrelevant to this specific scenario.

@force_echo: it is usually procedure to read them their rights when they are being taken in, not in the process of arresting them. And he basically died unfortunately before being they were able to read it to him. Did you see them asking him inappropriate questions that they would have had to read his Miranda rights first? No, I didn't.

Also he did resist arrest, yelling don't touch me pulling away, and since the video was edited to arrest (with more officers at the scene than before) how can you be sure they didn't inform him he was being arrested? It is proper to do so, and it seemed as if he knew what was happening, especially after being arrested 31 times before for drug and assault related charges.

@jezer: ......lol yes I did.

I can agree with involuntary manslaughter.

This is correct. However most police are trained to read the Miranda Right's while cuffing the arrestee so that anything that the arrestee divulges after that point, whether directly questioned by the police or not will be admissible in court.

Nah. You said "are you this or this?" Giving me two options. I said I'm neither. You said "so you're this then? Otherwise I dont know why you won't flat out tell me what you are" seemingly ignoring the fact I said I was neither and seemingly ignoring the idea that I could be something other than one of the two.

I don't fall in either camp and care enough to decide "what I am" in general. My only goal in this thread was to thoroughly refute the most foolish point of view I could stumble upon lol

I agree that in the past segregation did happen and black people were treated horribly. but now everyone has equal rights so now i really don't think that we should favor one race then another. I aslo think that depending on what happen's people should get pissed and start riots. but I think that the media over reacts when black people are treated badly. I think that there should be no discrimination and se whould focus on every major crime that happens. I think that we should look at everyone as if we all have the same skin color. we should judge people by their actions, not what they look like.

No. Not everyone has equal rights.

You don't think that there should be any discrimination? Good,so do I,man.

I don't think that there should really BE more importance of one race or another in terms of how serious something is taken,but a lot of the times with many people there is (with blacks,whites,asians,etc).

Robocop wouldn't aprove of this.

Whenever I read/hear someone say that we should act like race doesn't exist or see everyone as having the same skin color, I immediately think of this image

Did anybody actually read the article. There was aggression on both sides. I'm not defending the cops and saying what they did was right but this sin't as black and white as it seems.

No he would not. Nor would he approve of Robocop 3 but it still happened

In short, lets build Robocop on kickstarter

@jezer:

That's sad.

@jezer: Yeah. Read my posts. In my first post I asked you to clarify, I never said you had to say one of the two options I gave you. In my second post I said (direct quote), "That's the only reason I can think of for why you won't just flat out tell me what you are." Once again, I never said "which of the two options," I'm asking what you are, what's your stance besides "thoroughly refuting the most foolish point of view"?

@The_Deathstroker:

Then I'd get to see you, and all your smart@ss friends take that back. People like you make me sick, and sad that I live in this world. I won't respond to your next post, so don't expect a rebuttal.

...dude are you serious? There is no need to get worked up over this.

Edit: Also, I agree in this case—f*ck the police.

@dccomicsrule2011: There is for me.

Damn.....that's deep.

I mean yeah I killed him... but I got suspended... so we're even...

@The_Deathstroker: Meh. Whatevs dude, I just find getting worked up like this to be completely asinine.

@dccomicsrule2011: I agree. That would be true for most other people. I'm just not part of most people in this case.

Eh, I don't know why people try argue obvious things with me....

When you say "I don't know if you're A or just B", the part where you say "or just" indicates one is trying to speculate something and giving options by process of elimination. The "just" after the or narrows that proceeding option to the final option. Examples: I don't know if he's insane or just a mad genius. I don't know if he's lying or just doesn't know what he's talking about. The "or just" implies a sort of final explanation/option.

If there were more options, a person would say "I don't know if you're A or B". There would be no "just" after the "or".

My response is that it can't be simplified like that(A or just B).

Your response is...

...to ignore me saying it can't be simplified, and say that if I don't tell you, the only option that makes sense is one of those two options. Further seemingly implying that there are no other options.

Anyways, to answer you, I don't care enough to make a "stance" beyond everything I've already said.