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#51  Edited By PushMunky
@King Saturn said:
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My girlfriend is smoking hot, a computer geek and sane so... Ha!
She shall be mine, for I shall steal her from you! Muhahaha!

HA HA that picture freaks me out

the girls are cute... the creepy dude in the background is no threat... looks like a joker I could muscle out easy
Of course you could muscle him out, but unless you killed him, he'd come back later to exact his diabolical revenge!!
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#52  Edited By GST1976

Perfect Girlfriend? No such thing. Perfect piece of Tail? Much easier to find.

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#53  Edited By PowerHerc

The problem with the perfect girlfriend isn't that she doesn't exist (she does), it's that she's not the perfect girlfriend for long because if you find the perfect one; you marry her and she's no longer your girlfriend, she's your wife.

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#54  Edited By Caligula

Perfection is relative.

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#55  Edited By PushMunky
@PowerHerc said:

The problem with the perfect girlfriend isn't that she doesn't exist (she does), it's that she not the perfect girlfriend for long because if you find the perfect one; you marry her and she's no longer your girlfriend, she's your wife.

This^.
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#56  Edited By RazzaTazz
@Green Skin: Actually they don't , whoever designed was careful to put in one pixel of white.   
 
Its the same graph for boyfriends except as follows: 
 
Beautiful is replaced with - Not addicted to porn 
Intelligent is replaced with - Washes himself daily 
Mentally stable is replaced with - Doesn't live in his mom's basement.   
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@RazzaTazz: If you say so.
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#58  Edited By PushMunky
@RazzaTazz said:
@Green Skin: Actually they don't , whoever designed was careful to put in one pixel of white.    Its the same graph for boyfriends except as follows:  Beautiful is replaced with - Not addicted to porn Intelligent is replaced with - Washes himself daily Mentally stable is replaced with - Doesn't live in his mom's basement.   
LMFAO.
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#59  Edited By SpidermanWins

*Sigh* You can't win can you?

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The perfect girlfriend actually consists of whole wheat, mayonnaise, bologna, cheese, lettuce and all the fixings. Tomatoes continue to elude me.

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#61  Edited By ReVamp

My gf is hot...  
not that smart or sane. But I like a lil' craziness...

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#62  Edited By PushMunky
@ReVamp: Long as you don't let her do your taxes, you're good to go.
 
 No, Honey, they're just right.
 No, Honey, they're just right.
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#63  Edited By progenitorigin

perfection is perceived personally, anyhow.
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#64  Edited By Project_Worm
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Beautiful, intelligent.    Being crazy is just another plus.
AGREED!! xD
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#65  Edited By PushMunky
@Project_Worm said:
@desperado_ said:
Beautiful, intelligent.    Being crazy is just another plus.
AGREED!! xD
Yeah, but, depends what kind of crazy. If its the "choke me while we're F#%*ing cuz I like it / uses explosives to bust you out of county jail / wears a sexy garter with a loaded gun holster on it under her mini skirt all the time"... kind of crazy, thats cool. If she's the " cuts herself because she's sad / throws pots & pans at your head when she's angry / runs her car off a cliff cuz she's bored / calls you by her dad's name in bed" kind of crazy, thats just F'd up.
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#66  Edited By fbdarkangel
@Jake454: no such thing as a perfect boyfriend but hey do you see us girls making any immature threads about it?
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#67  Edited By PushMunky
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@Jake454: no such thing as a perfect boyfriend but hey do you see us girls making any immature threads about it?
Hey, c'mon. Lighten up. Its just a joke. Nobody's perfect, & we all know it.
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#68  Edited By Jko1

I'm sorry for bumping this but LOL.

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@jko1: You should be punished

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@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

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@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

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@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

But it is. Lack of traditional relationship--->Dysfunction relationship as we are seeing in 2023. Many people are fed up. We have more divide than ever between men and women. A lot of guys are unable to get women or actively avoiding relationships because they are dissatisfied with state of modern day women.

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#73  Edited By kgb725
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

But it is. Lack of traditional relationship--->Dysfunction relationship as we are seeing in 2023. Many people are fed up. We have more divide than ever between men and women. A lot of guys are unable to get women or actively avoiding relationships because they are dissatisfied with state of modern day women.

Prove the correlation. They aren't getting women because they bring nothing to the table

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#74  Edited By RudyGiuliani
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

But it is. Lack of traditional relationship--->Dysfunction relationship as we are seeing in 2023. Many people are fed up. We have more divide than ever between men and women. A lot of guys are unable to get women or actively avoiding relationships because they are dissatisfied with state of modern day women.

Prove the correlation. They aren't getting women because they bring nothing to the table

And this level of misandry or saying men bring nothing despite men still making more money on average than women shows one aspect of why men are walking away from dating. Society is infected with misandry and hostility towards men.

All the dirty jobs and all the long physical demanding jobs are still done by men. If men were to withdraw completely from society tomorrow it would collapse.

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No such thing as perfection in general.

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@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

But it is. Lack of traditional relationship--->Dysfunction relationship as we are seeing in 2023. Many people are fed up. We have more divide than ever between men and women. A lot of guys are unable to get women or actively avoiding relationships because they are dissatisfied with state of modern day women.

Prove the correlation. They aren't getting women because they bring nothing to the table

And this level of misandry or saying men bring nothing despite men still making more money on average than women shows one aspect of why men are walking away from dating. Society is infected with misandry and hostility towards men.

All the dirty jobs and all the long physical demanding jobs are still done by men. If men were to withdraw completely from society tomorrow it would collapse.

Instead of taking accountability you immediately attack women. By all metrics the price of living has gone up and yet wages haven't risen with it. The average man is automatically disqualified from your standards because they can't protect and provide for the family because most relationships are 2 income households meaning they both work. It's all or nothing I hear many men talk about how they want traditional women but love to sleep around and be degenerates until it's time to settle down. You cant pick and choose when it's convenient

Do you honestly believe all these good looking men who workout and have good jobs and are just overall great guys are having no success exclusively because of women? A statistical improbability. I'll tell you the reason why it's so hard now. A. Women are working more and are going to college at a much higher rate B. They have higher standards and don't just want the absolute bare minimum man C. You are competing with men from all over. It's not just you versus the few dozen people in your small town it's you vs every man in the world so asking what do these men bring to the table is very relevant. You have to standout in some way

You are on here bitching because women won't have sex with men out of pity. That is both desperate and pathetic. No one is entitled to sex. It is perfectly fine for women to want to pursue their own careers and lives outside of babymaking. The incels you speak for are almost always socially awkward and believes that instead of asking women out they should befriend them and then later hope they sense their intentions. Real slimeball behavior. I'm sure you didn't notice this but most of those types of guys actually hate women

I'll give both you and those men some advice. Start talking to women relentlessly. "what if she rejects me and why would she go out with me" you're just defeating yourself in your own head with that type of talk. The more you talk to women the easier it becomes. You talk to let's say 30 women you can figure out what works and what doesn't easy stuff. Most people date within their social circles just look for a hobby or some sort of interest and talk to women there or just talk to people at school/work. It's that easy being broke fat or ugly is only a deterence if you let it.

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#77  Edited By RudyGiuliani
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@kgb725 said:

@jko1: You should be punished

isn't this more relevant in 2023?

Less relevant. For the most part you can date whoever you want and nobody really seems to care. You can take a step further and have a non traditional relationship pretty easily without too much judgment as long as all parties agree to it its no big deal. There is no objectively perfect girlfriend but you can have a perfect partner for you

But it is. Lack of traditional relationship--->Dysfunction relationship as we are seeing in 2023. Many people are fed up. We have more divide than ever between men and women. A lot of guys are unable to get women or actively avoiding relationships because they are dissatisfied with state of modern day women.

Prove the correlation. They aren't getting women because they bring nothing to the table

And this level of misandry or saying men bring nothing despite men still making more money on average than women shows one aspect of why men are walking away from dating. Society is infected with misandry and hostility towards men.

All the dirty jobs and all the long physical demanding jobs are still done by men. If men were to withdraw completely from society tomorrow it would collapse.

Instead of taking accountability you immediately attack women. By all metrics the price of living has gone up and yet wages haven't risen with it. The average man is automatically disqualified from your standards because they can't protect and provide for the family because most relationships are 2 income households meaning they both work. It's all or nothing I hear many men talk about how they want traditional women but love to sleep around and be degenerates until it's time to settle down. You cant pick and choose when it's convenient

Do you honestly believe all these good looking men who workout and have good jobs and are just overall great guys are having no success exclusively because of women? A statistical improbability. I'll tell you the reason why it's so hard now. A. Women are working more and are going to college at a much higher rate B. They have higher standards and don't just want the absolute bare minimum man C. You are competing with men from all over. It's not just you versus the few dozen people in your small town it's you vs every man in the world so asking what do these men bring to the table is very relevant. You have to standout in some way

You are on here bitching because women won't have sex with men out of pity. That is both desperate and pathetic. No one is entitled to sex. It is perfectly fine for women to want to pursue their own careers and lives outside of babymaking. The incels you speak for are almost always socially awkward and believes that instead of asking women out they should befriend them and then later hope they sense their intentions. Real slimeball behavior. I'm sure you didn't notice this but most of those types of guys actually hate women

I'll give both you and those men some advice. Start talking to women relentlessly. "what if she rejects me and why would she go out with me" you're just defeating yourself in your own head with that type of talk. The more you talk to women the easier it becomes. You talk to let's say 30 women you can figure out what works and what doesn't easy stuff. Most people date within their social circles just look for a hobby or some sort of interest and talk to women there or just talk to people at school/work. It's that easy being broke fat or ugly is only a deterence if you let it.

Long winded rant that essentials blames men. Boring.

You can continue to blame/shame men and say men provide nothing to women. Men will still walk away and we will see a further decline/break down in marriage patterns in this life time.

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@rudygiuliani: Coming from the man not taking accountability and demonizing women because you aren't good enough to be picked.

Good I'm not a Christian I dont think more marriages and more dumb kids running around is a good idea anyways. You're wording it like a threat no one cares you're out of the gene pool

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@rudygiuliani: Coming from the man not taking accountability and demonizing women because you aren't good enough to be picked.

Good I'm not a Christian I dont think more marriages and more dumb kids running around is a good idea anyways. You're wording it like a threat no one cares you're out of the gene pool

No one is demonizing women. The fact you think men cannot have standards, their own preference and want and desires for woman is baffling and shows just how much misandry you have for men.

The bottom line is this...just as women have preference for men, men also have things that they want for women. Men and women are naturally attracted to femininity and masculinity. Relationships also tend to work best, in most cases, when men and women stay true to traditional gender roles and fulfill them. Women have walked away from their role thanks to feminism. Women have also been brainwashed by the media that acting like a man is empowering and won't affect them at all when it comes to dating. The net result is men are walking away due to those women not meeting their standards for what they want in a partner.

It doesn't help that social media has warped so many women's minds that they have an unrealistic expectation of their worth in dating and have use social media to shame men for clout and attention, when there was no reason for it. For example, this girl who tries to publicly shame a guy for just being friendly and talking to her.

And it's glad to know that you just admitted that you have no care for the stability of society and want to see it burn down.

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@kgb725 facts

this isn't fact. it's delusion. And it's all the same tired trope of blaming men and saying women did nothing wrong. As long as we continue to just blame men, ignore male concerns then relations between the genders will only get worse. The fact remains that over 60% of young men are either unable to get dates with women or actively avoiding them. Women also are becoming more vocal online about men not approaching them or even asking them out on dates anymore.

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@rudygiuliani: Coming from the man not taking accountability and demonizing women because you aren't good enough to be picked.

Good I'm not a Christian I dont think more marriages and more dumb kids running around is a good idea anyways. You're wording it like a threat no one cares you're out of the gene pool

No one is demonizing women. The fact you think men cannot have standards, their own preference and want and desires for woman is baffling and shows just how much misandry you have for men.

The bottom line is this...just as women have preference for men, men also have things that they want for women. Men and women are naturally attracted to femininity and masculinity. Relationships also tend to work best, in most cases, when men and women stay true to traditional gender roles and fulfill them. Women have walked away from their role thanks to feminism. Women have also been brainwashed by the media that acting like a man is empowering and won't affect them at all when it comes to dating. The net result is men are walking away due to those women not meeting their standards for what they want in a partner.

It doesn't help that social media has warped so many women's minds that they have an unrealistic expectation of their worth in dating and have use social media to shame men for clout and attention, when there was no reason for it. For example, this girl who tries to publicly shame a guy for just being friendly and talking to her.

And it's glad to know that you just admitted that you have no care for the stability of society and want to see it burn down.

blaming all problems on women is demonizing them. That is a non sequitur. But I was the one who brought up you can date anyone and date however you like you said to date traditional exclusively. If anyone needs a reminder of standards and preferences it is you

Then find those specific women you're looking for. Those traditional conservative value women who only want to stay home.. They get married at like 19 and have 4 kids by the time they're 27. You cant be mad if your gf who's a nurse works a 12 hour shift doesn't clean anything. If you want that type of relationship you need to be that type of man and the average man is not. You can keep saying I'm blaming men but statistically speaking the average person is struggling financially and can't support multiple people that is a fact.

I'm not clicking that link. If women wanted to have sex they could at any time. Women don't have to try for sex men do. Like I said before if you aren't bringing anything special to the table you won't stand out. Stop looking for girls online and go meet them in person. You're complaining because you realized how average you really are. It's tough out there congratulations on finding that out

The amount of people leaving the church has increased and the birth rate has decreased for years society is still standing. No need to be dramatic. I love how every time I disagree you end up taking it so extreme. Let's say 3 million men in Mgtow just die alone do you honestly think this nation wouldn't be fine considering we have hundreds of millions of people here ?

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@belando said:

@kgb725 facts

this isn't fact. it's delusion. And it's all the same tired trope of blaming men and saying women did nothing wrong. As long as we continue to just blame men, ignore male concerns then relations between the genders will only get worse. The fact remains that over 60% of young men are either unable to get dates with women or actively avoiding them. Women also are becoming more vocal online about men not approaching them or even asking them out on dates anymore.

You can't have it both ways if men aren't approaching then yes it is on them for not making a move. You're blaming all problems on women obviously I'm going to bring up men's issues in response when both sides play a part in a relationship

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#84  Edited By Belando

@rudygiuliani: A relationship takes two and requires work from both.

There are a ton of reasons why men, or young men specifically, are struggling to get relationships. One of the biggest factors is a lack of socialization, social media, bad role models, poor or unrealistic expectations (often due to social media and said role models) and eventually feeling disconnected from the rest of the world. This is also somewhat true for women who are also gradually getting more depressed and it's a global issue and trend that needs addressing.

Neither kgb nor I "blame" men, but you're actually blaming it on women.

People need to socialize, learn empathy, be kinder, and have realistic expectations from one another.

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@belando said:

@rudygiuliani: A relationship takes two and requires work from both.

There are a ton of reasons why men, or young men specifically, are struggling to get relationships. One of the biggest factors is a lack of socialization, social media, bad role models, poor or unrealistic expectations (often due to social media and said role models) and eventually feeling disconnected from the rest of the world. This is also somewhat true for women who are also gradually getting more depressed and it's a global issue and trend that needs addressing.

Neither kgb nor I "blame" men, but you're actually blaming it on women.

People need to socialize, learn empathy, be kinder, and have realistic expectations from one another.

Yes and men are doing their part and willing to maintain that relationship. Women were the ones who changed du to being heavily influenced by feminism and social media.

The main reason for why men are struggling in relationships are highlighted here.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/off-topic-5/do-you-think-shaming-and-blaming-men-for-everythin-2316185/

It aligns with what is happening in the real world that people don't like to talk about because it would largely involve 1. calling out toxic/destructive behavior of women 2. asking women to self improve and be better.

actual you did. This entire discussion resulted in both of you being triggered because the narrative shift from "men need to do better" to "women need to do better". Thus, resulting in the knee jerk reaction to label me as "incel", "misogynist" or claim that I am blaming ALL women.

People need to actually look at female behavior and their role in dating rather than ignoring it and pretending only 1 gender is causing it.

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@kgb725 said:
@rudygiuliani said:
@belando said:

@kgb725 facts

this isn't fact. it's delusion. And it's all the same tired trope of blaming men and saying women did nothing wrong. As long as we continue to just blame men, ignore male concerns then relations between the genders will only get worse. The fact remains that over 60% of young men are either unable to get dates with women or actively avoiding them. Women also are becoming more vocal online about men not approaching them or even asking them out on dates anymore.

You can't have it both ways if men aren't approaching then yes it is on them for not making a move. You're blaming all problems on women obviously I'm going to bring up men's issues in response when both sides play a part in a relationship

Men aren't approaching because of the destructive behavior of women that are making approaching not worth it. Please see thread here which highlights why men are not approaching women (from a woman herself).

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/off-topic-5/do-you-think-shaming-and-blaming-men-for-everythin-2316185/

Most of the problems on dating are on women, since women ultimately controls which guys get dates/sex and ultimately a family. If dating is at dysfunction we need to look at women as the underlying cause rather than using the same old society trope of "Blaming men" and "telling men to man up and improve". You bring up men's issues because you are following knee jerk and program societal behavior of blaming men when everything goes wrong and never holding women accountable. It's why you were so triggered by the idea of men having standards, not being satisfied with the quality of modern day women today and referring to most as worthless. Again, if you guys look at the points in the link posted it aligns up with societal issues seen today.

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#87  Edited By Belando

@rudygiuliani:

Yes and men are doing their part and willing to maintain that relationship. Women were the ones who changed du to being heavily influenced by feminism and social media.

It aligns with what is happening in the real world that people don't like to talk about because it would largely involve 1. calling out toxic/destructive behavior of women 2. asking women to self improve and be better.

People need to actually look at female behavior and their role in dating rather than ignoring it and pretending only 1 gender is causing it.

Do you understand how you're contradicting yourself here? No one here besides you has blamed or singled-out one group. We're explaining to you that everyone plays a part in relationships. The reason why young men are failing isn't because of a scary boogieman like "feminism".

We as a society are failing and it has to do with people disconnecting from others, being a-social, having unreasonable expectations, negativity and depression amplified by social media, and generally speaking, not doing real work to become better people.

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Yes, f those b*tch*s

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#89  Edited By OfficialTopG

Adriana Lima fits into all of these categories. No one is perfect, but she's a great girlfriend.

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#90  Edited By Steve40L

I haven't even read through this, but I'd imagine that there are a lot of self proclaimed "nice guys" in here.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QtfhtN_qQyg

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Dude's got that incel mindset I see 🔥🔥

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Jesus, this Thread is as old as the internet.

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@nohoour I scrolled for posts above my initial comment and found one

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Thats great, you should instead be gay and date boys instead

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12 year old thread? Good lord...

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@steve40l said:

@nohoour I scrolled for posts above my initial comment and found one

I don't see anyone proclaiming as such

I do see someone parroting Andrew Tate talking points though

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@belando said:

@rudygiuliani:

Yes and men are doing their part and willing to maintain that relationship. Women were the ones who changed du to being heavily influenced by feminism and social media.

It aligns with what is happening in the real world that people don't like to talk about because it would largely involve 1. calling out toxic/destructive behavior of women 2. asking women to self improve and be better.

People need to actually look at female behavior and their role in dating rather than ignoring it and pretending only 1 gender is causing it.

Do you understand how you're contradicting yourself here? No one here besides you has blamed or singled-out one group. We're explaining to you that everyone plays a part in relationships. The reason why young men are failing isn't because of a scary boogieman like "feminism".

We as a society are failing and it has to do with people disconnecting from others, being a-social, having unreasonable expectations, negativity and depression amplified by social media, and generally speaking, not doing real work to become better people.

Please explain how I am contradicting myself. Acknowledging that most of the problems face in modern time have been instigated by women. And while you are right, both men and women play a part in relationship, women have not played their part for longest time. And yes, feminism, social media, increase narcissism and toxic female behaviour all play a part. I see you choose to ignore and not even respond to the very thread in which I clearly laid out reason why this is so.

Society is failing due to 1. Feminism which promoted misandry in the form of female empowerment by telling women that men are the enemy who have oppressed them for years, men are rapist that need to be trained and how they are unfairly being discriminated in employment/jobs for being women. Feminism was also the one that told women career is more important than family. 2. Social media - simp and females all gas lighting the average woman into thinking she is more attractive than she actually is, comparison of people lies and promotion of narcissism among women 3. Media influence telling women to worship/look up to whores and how they have all the time in the world to find their perfect guy, as well as, promoting misandry and telling women that they deserve the best for existing.

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#99  Edited By Belando

@rudygiuliani:

Please explain how I am contradicting myself.

You told us we were blaming men, when what we were doing was saying both parties have roles to play, both parties have issues, and it's not going to be up to one side to fix it, as it has to be a real effort from everyone. Essentially telling us we are blaming men because we won't blame women. Meanwhile, you're actually putting the blame on women, solving and addressing nothing, which you demonstrated again in this very post.

The rest of your post is just brain rot. People have the option to choose to start families, or careers, combine the two, or choose a whole different path. That's the freedom to choose, which is far superior to forcing women to stay at home and forcing men to be sole providers. We have these freedoms due to movements like feminism.

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@belando said:

@rudygiuliani:

Please explain how I am contradicting myself.

You told us we were blaming men, when what we were doing was saying both parties have roles to play, both parties have issues, and it's not going to be up to one side to fix it, as it has to be a real effort from everyone. Meanwhile, you're actually putting the blame on women, solving and addressing nothing, which you demonstrated again in this very post.

The rest of your post is just brain rot. People have the option to choose to start families, or careers, combine the two, or choose a whole different path. That's the freedom to choose, which is far superior to forcing women to stay at home and forcing men to be sole providers. We have these freedoms due to movements like feminism.

Look back at how the topic started. Stating that the image was more relevant today since women are worse now caused all of you to jump in women's defense. The opening statement by your colleague even go so far as to say that most men today are worthless and offer nothing to women. Thus, already showing signs that many of you have misandrist biases towards men.

We cannot put blame to parties equally given that 1. Men and women do not share equal power in dating. 2. Women ultimately shape which man passes on his gene and in so doing the shape of society 3. Women are ultimately the chooses on which man get sex, dates and ultimately leads to marriage. If we are seeing more dysfunctional relationship today, men pulling back from wanting to marry women, less people getting married then the blame needs to be placed primarily on women. Men will adjust their behavior base on female choice and action.

The rest of my post highlights everything that's wrong in society and correlates it with female choice and action. It's why you are again avoiding said thread because deep down you know I am right. People have the option, but given that women later in life are heavily on anti-depressants after their youth is gone and they can't get a husband, it's often not the best choice for them to hold it off. See for example, Jennifer Anniston who choose a career over having a child with Brad pitt. The result was she held off having a kid for so long and her last hope, IVF failed her.She is now has to deal with not being able to have kids. Again, there have been studies today that show women today are a lot less happy than they have been in past years. Feminism was a lie that told women that being like a man would make them happy.