My interpretation of some of what God says about feelings

This is mostly just for Christians, because most non-Christians will likely not understand or respect where this is coming from.

If you're not a Christian, please do not comment on it, I'm putting this out there for the Christian community of CV.

This is a paper I wrote just a few minutes ago. Tell me what you think (calmly, please. No reason for flaming.):

In the Bible's speakings of how one should act, and interpretations and attempts to reason what He and the Bible mean in such words, one comes to some interesting conclusions, that likely make sense given how we all feel or have felt in certain situations. These conclusions or concepts and ideas are:

• Foul language should be put out of you. It is not acceptable to use such language, even in anger, righteous indignation, passion, or any such thing. God says this and does not make an exception.

• Righteous indignation, or righteous anger, fury, or passion, are good things. It is good to be angry at injustice, abuse, violation, at yourself or others, even if it is dealt with, but not to your own health and emotional healing.

• The above conclusion may seem extreme, but God helps heal emotions and wounds, while people cannot even begin to touch on what others feel, no matter how empathic they are or are not. Wounds of the soul go deep, and only God can heal them, over time and council. Human justice does not bring about true justice, or a sense of peace, and it rather gives the abuser or violator an excuse of innocence, such that he or she has payed their debt to the person, when he has not felt any such debt payed, and the anger or passion of injustice still burns within him or her.

• Anger is important. It is important to be angry at any and all injustice, it is important not to be apathetic, ever, and it is important to spread God's word in such a manner. Anger of disproportion is not spoken of, but one can imagine that Jesus would tell us to throw the first stone of death only if we are without sin; at the same time, he rebuked the traders in the Temple, showing us that an appropriate amount of anger for each transgression does exist. Perhaps he was showing us that killing is never an appropriate goal of anger, but rather, teaching and rebuking not to transgress again are.

• People should not antagonize one another, they should calmly talk about what they think is correct, and instead of trying to be correct in matters of God's speech, they should try to learn from one another, not so that they may be fooled by evil, but so that they may think in their own hearts over what God says, and try to discern the truth. Since almost everything in this world is absolute (morality, love, sin, etc.), discussing what is right, what is important, what is wrong, what is true love, with others, is constructive if the parties do not antagonize one another. One should not be offended if one is suggested to be wrong, but rather learn to defend their view because they think it true regardless of their own views (i.e. you may not like the truth, but it is still true regardless of your preference), or change their view to try and find the truth in God's word.

• People should defend one another, not just themselves. God did not come into the world to defend himself from insults and misplaced anger, he came to save his children, and there is no better sacrifice than giving or dedicating your life to the well-being of others. If someone does not defend yourself, you must defend yourself, because injustice should make one angry by God's word, and one must resolve their anger in a dutiful manner pleasing to the Lord, without sleeping on it. Anger must be resolved, as all emotions must be. Sometimes the resolution is temporary, and healing must take place over time, with counsel from God, but one should still try to resolve it in a temporary manner each day, so they do not build up misplaced anger.

• No-one is more important than another person. Jesus' sacrifice and God's willingness to listen to all prayer and testimony teaches that we are all equal, we are all equally valuable, and we are all equally important to be heard and equally required to listen. None of us is more important than another, and we should all protect each other from injustice with righteous anger, even if we do not find another person pleasent, being careful not to get carried away with our anger; similarly we should defend ourselves from all injustice, even if we are being attacked or violated by someone we care about. We must remember not to use foul language and not to overstep our anger's privileges that God has given us, however.

• If one is truly repentent for something they have done wrong, or some wrong they have done to another, and will try (though they will fail, as we all do,) to not harm or wrong the person in the same manner again, we should accept their repentence without hesitation or question. We must only question whether they are honest, because deceit lies in the heart of all men, and we cannot see what lies in our own hearts, least of all, other men's hearts. If we decide them to be honest, we must not go back on our word of forgiveness, and we must not deal absolute judgement because God can help even the most tormented or tormenting souls, until the final hour in His presence. We must also forgive even if they are not honest, but we are not required or supposed to continue in our dealings with them, if we think it will lead to more violations of the same kind. While we are supposed to forgive, we are also not supposed to be tempted into unrighteous anger, which continual violations will always provoke. To be rid of temptation of unrighteous anger, we must remove ourselves from the situation, because nobody is immune to temptation and falling into temptation and unrighteousness, save Him, and only He is capable of advocating true justice in the form of Death.

• People go to war, people kill each other. God teaches us that if no other alternative presents itself, we must remove those who would poison us or kill us, by killing them and allowing him to judge them finally, in war; this is not a single person who commits violations, who can be imprisoned or rebuked or taught, this is a group of people who will not cease their antagonistic and tempting ways, provoking unrighteous anger, which displeases the Lord. War is commanded by God to put down those temptations because they cannot be avoided any other way. War is different from murder in that murder is an unrighteous virtue of anger, while war is the only way to save ones self from violation and temptation in some situations, which God helps us see with clarity, if we are in counsel with Him. This is why an actively Christian President is often the best President, if given a choice between a Christian and non-Christian. (This is the one I'm most concerned about non-Christians reading and misinterpreting. It seems incredibly harsh and even evil, if you're not a Christian and don't understand that the Christian God is the only true, holy God there is (which I don't expect non-Christians to understand). I'm not advocating genocide. I'm advocating fighting back against oppression and persecution en mass, and not being afraid of killing someone to save yourself and others, if such a need arises.)

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Which God are you talking about as there are even different interpretations of the Christian god.

This.

I am not christian, but I will be observing and maybe commenting.

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

Don't know what to say on this thread- and me and the OP has had our disagreements on the past. I would describe myself as a "liberal" christian, if such a thing exists, who comes from a more traditional Pentecostal background. I do disagree with the last point about a christian often being the best president- or Prime Minister in my case LOL, but I will just leave it at that.

@minigunman123:

If one is truly repentent for something they have done wrong, or some wrong they have done to another, and will try (though they will fail, as we all do,) to not harm or wrong the person in the same manner again, we should accept their repentence without hesitation or question. We must only question whether they are honest, because deceit lies in the heart of all men, and we cannot see what lies in our own hearts, least of all, other men's hearts. If we decide them to be honest, we must not go back on our word of forgiveness, and we must not deal absolute judgement because God can help even the most tormented or tormenting souls, until the final hour in His presence. We must also forgive even if they are not honest, but we are not required or supposed to continue in our dealings with them, if we think it will lead to more violations of the same kind. While we are supposed to forgive, we are also not supposed to be tempted into unrighteous anger, which continual violations will always provoke. To be rid of temptation of unrighteous anger, we must remove ourselves from the situation, because nobody is immune to temptation and falling into temptation and unrighteousness, save Him, and only He is capable of advocating true justice in the form of Death.

So if Addolf Hitler or Pablo Escobar repented that means were supposed to forgive them? That's just plain crazy.

@minigunman123: I don't have any arguments against any of what you've said (actually just self-conviction), nor anything to add at the moment.

@INLIFE said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Which God are you talking about as there are even different interpretations of the Christian god.

This.

I am not christian, but I will be observing and maybe commenting.

It's still the same God, Protestent Christian God, but people simply disagree on the scripture, if that's what you're referring to.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@minigunman123:

If one is truly repentent for something they have done wrong, or some wrong they have done to another, and will try (though they will fail, as we all do,) to not harm or wrong the person in the same manner again, we should accept their repentence without hesitation or question. We must only question whether they are honest, because deceit lies in the heart of all men, and we cannot see what lies in our own hearts, least of all, other men's hearts. If we decide them to be honest, we must not go back on our word of forgiveness, and we must not deal absolute judgement because God can help even the most tormented or tormenting souls, until the final hour in His presence. We must also forgive even if they are not honest, but we are not required or supposed to continue in our dealings with them, if we think it will lead to more violations of the same kind. While we are supposed to forgive, we are also not supposed to be tempted into unrighteous anger, which continual violations will always provoke. To be rid of temptation of unrighteous anger, we must remove ourselves from the situation, because nobody is immune to temptation and falling into temptation and unrighteousness, save Him, and only He is capable of advocating true justice in the form of Death.

So if Addolf Hitler or Pablo Escobar repented that means were supposed to forgive them? That's just plain bs.

You have to think though, those kinds of people generally wouldn't and don't repent. But, we should, ideally, be able to forgive anyone, even Hitler. It's tough as nails, but yes, that's what people should do, and that's not even interpreting the Bible a certain way, it just says it outright in multiple passages; forgive your enemies, even if they don't ask for forgiveness.

As well, many of the people killed by Adolf are likely in heaven now, so it's not like he had complete control over their lives. He ended a short-term existence, that was replaced by a permanent one. What path they chose beyond that point was up to them. Adolf Hitler and others like him are still appalling, but if you're coming at this from a true unbiased viewpoint, where all sin (divergence from what is holy and good) is equal, they're no worse than a guy who kills someone out of anger in the moment, say, if someone shot a guy after just finding out he slept with his wife. Even if we can't forgive them and let go of it though, it doesn't matter in the end. Forgiveness is for our own sake, to help us let go and deal with bad events/people, so you're only hurting yourself by harboring hatred, something everyone does.

@laflux said:

Don't know what to say on this thread- and me and the OP has had our disagreements on the past. I would describe myself as a "liberal" christian, if such a thing exists, who comes from a more traditional Pentecostal background. I do disagree with the last point about a christian often being the best president- or Prime Minister in my case LOL, but I will just leave it at that.

Well, if you're a Christian though, and a person who's very godly and Christian is up for election, as opposed to some random politician, based on only those two facts, which would you vote for? Wouldn't you vote for the guy who's following what you yourself are saying you believe to be the one true holy and just God, the guy who identifies with being a member of a religion of attempted peace in an unpeaceful and broken world? It doesn't make sense to me that a Christian would vote for a non-Christian if there was a Christian candidate, and if there aren't major capability differences between a non-Christian candidate and a Christian candidate. If the guy's mentally disabled for example... Obviously that would not be a good idea. But if they're roughly on equal footing, then being part of the same religion, which a devout Christian would believe is the only true one and the only actually saving one, should be a major factor, shouldn't it?

In addition to the topic of forgiveness: there is a reason we have the saying "To forgive is divine".

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

I actually don't believe in bad words. I don't understand the concept and it seems ridiculous to me. I understand that the majority of society give credence to bad words because they were told to as children and were driven by fear of punishment to pass on the idea until they thought they believed it, themselves.

Sounds like religion too.

@cameron83 said:

@minigunman123: I agree on one of your points (I don't disagree with you at all and admire your faith,but to be honest some people are gonna say some things to contradict you,like,"god doesn't exist.God is imaginary.The bible blah blah contradictions blah blah...").

But anyway,if we are actually being unbiased,we HAVE to forgive everyone,all of my enemies.My friend's mom was killed by some drunken moron and the family let him go...free of anything,even though she had kids,and yes,they were christian (a bit irrelevant,but I am just trying not to leave out information).

I think it goes perfectly well with what the bible says,in that,we have to forgive our enemies,not hate them and hold grudges.You are completely right on this.Only from an unbiased viewpoint can we do this.We have to do it out of love for others,which is another thing the bible teaches....just saying a bit of what I think.

That's great! I'm very sorry for your friend's mom, but it's great they were able to let it go. It's one of the hardest things we have to do. It's better, in the long run, though, for our own health; grudges are terrible and deteriorate your health and mental/emotional stability and your personality.

@cameron83 said:

@mrdecepticonleader: that is true.He is right minigunman123.

Not necessarily; pretty much all devout Christians (not Catholics, Christians. Catholics have lots of tradition and stuff that's not in the Bible, but they think it's holy and Godly and stuff; Christians' core belief is the belief in what Jesus taught and an acceptance of him as savior, something not every Catholic accepts without issue) believe in the same God, but the Bible has many interpretations because people don't all see it the same way. We all believe in the same God and have faith in him, but we don't agree on what he taught, and sometimes what he's about. We believe in the same being, it's just that the text that describes him to us often has people thinking it means different things, but we all usually believe in the same core values. You're right Decepticon, though, there are a few Christian denominations which are way out there, and even contradict what the Bible says, and they have some very different views from core Christianity.

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

I actually don't believe in bad words. I don't understand the concept and it seems ridiculous to me. I understand that the majority of society give credence to bad words because they were told to as children and were driven by fear of punishment to pass on the idea until they thought they believed it, themselves.

Well, it's alright that you personally don't believe in bad words, but as a Christian it's important to recognize them. Swearing and profane or explicit language is not discreet, which is to try and preserve innocence of the mind by not using language which provokes profane images or thoughts, and discretion and a clean mind are very important in Christian teachings. If a Christian thinks there are no bad words, then they are wrong because as a Christian they must accept the fact that God says differently. If you're not a Christian, then I can't tell you what your religion necessarily says (because I don't know what your religion is), but I personally still must disagree that words can't be bad. If I insult someone, did I not just say something mean, or at the very least with the intent to wound? Words are extremely powerful.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

I actually don't believe in bad words. I don't understand the concept and it seems ridiculous to me. I understand that the majority of society give credence to bad words because they were told to as children and were driven by fear of punishment to pass on the idea until they thought they believed it, themselves.

Sounds like religion too.

Let's not turn this into a "religion is false" thread. I already said I'd like the majority of postings to be from Christians, about the validity and their opinion of what I said, based on our own coinciding faiths.

@Kal'smahboi said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

I actually don't believe in bad words. I don't understand the concept and it seems ridiculous to me. I understand that the majority of society give credence to bad words because they were told to as children and were driven by fear of punishment to pass on the idea until they thought they believed it, themselves.

Sounds like religion too.

Glad somebody saw the metaphor.

Again, read my above quote response. That talk isn't welcome in this thread. There are plenty of threads where it's OK to bash religion and I won't stop you from being ignorant, but it's not welcome in here. It was in the OP that pretty much I Was only reaching out and talking to the Christian community. I don't want your hate in here.

@Shadow Stalker said:

I scanned the list and generally accept most of those points. Without diving into the details of those, I would, however, say I object to the last one where you say, "we must remove those who would poison us or kill us, by killing them and allowing him to judge them finally". Although God did have the Israelites war with and wipe out certain other tribes for spreading evil, I don't see any reference to God asking us (i.e. modern day Christians) to exact his vengeance on sinners. In fact, I would say it is quite the opposite. We are to leave execution of judgment to Him., forgiving others as He has forgiven us. We should try to right injustice and stop evil but not by becoming judge, jury and executioner.

Interesting. I'm not sure that you understood my point; it wasn't that we should kill each other on a small scale for petty crimes or wrongs (even including murder, as heinous as it may seem to us), I was talking about large scale war, such as the war on terror. There are never any good wars, but ideally, I think God tells us to defend our boarders and ideals if we're forced to. I don't think He forces or requires us to, but I think He says, it's not a bad idea. Else, why would Jesus tell us to obey the laws of the land? Laws of the land often, throughout time, include capital punishment, to try and maintain order. Christians were taught to obey the laws of the land by Jesus, so we'd have to learn that killing is a natural part of life, and there are some instances where it's unavoidable, or even appropriate (not murder, and not pointless killing, but trying to follow the land's laws, and protect one another, are the only situations I can see as "OK" for that.)

I think he says we should follow the laws because, generally, you can almost always follow the law if you're aware of it, no matter how much you dislike it, and they can never tell you not to be a Christian, they can just take away Bibles and prevent Churches from being formed, such as in the middle east in some parts. They can't stop your faith though, no matter what they say or want, unless you let them (in which case, you (the person in question) have failed the trials set before you, unfortunately). That's why I think he says it.

@pooty said:

Words that are used to deliberately hurt somone's feelings should not be used. Words such as F!ck or $hit should not be used only because the general interpretation of them are "foul". Even if someone is sincere in their apologies i don't believe you have to forgive them. You should not hate them or wish them evil but you don't have to forgive them. i have only heard of one God of the bible. The one who created all things. Most Christians agree on the main points of who he is and what he has done. Also, the OP specifically asked for only Christians to comment. While he can't stop non-Christians from commenting it does come off as "party crashing". He wanted a point of view that only Christians can relate to. If this is a Biblical paper I would cite scriptures to back up your view because some of these are not adding up

Thanks for your views! God does actually tell us to forgive everyone, it's not mandatory, but then, neither is believing in Christ, it's just Doctor recommended, lol. Forgiveness is a mental and emotional balance restorer, it helps you heal and helps your longterm health. Plus, there's no reason not to be able to forgive. If you're unwilling to forgive, you're denying what God said is correct and right, and you're basically saying someone is beyond saving, which blatantly goes against what God said. I know he does not require you to, as in, you are forced to, but he says you should do it.

@nickzambuto said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@minigunman123: Stopped reading at the first point. What language is foul, and how is that determined?

This How are we supposed to tell whats foul or not?

So your parents never told you not to swear or be dirty?

Come on, people.

I actually don't believe in bad words. I don't understand the concept and it seems ridiculous to me. I understand that the majority of society give credence to bad words because they were told to as children and were driven by fear of punishment to pass on the idea until they thought they believed it, themselves.

Sounds like religion too.

Glad somebody saw the metaphor.

:)

Cause it's not like the OP kindly asked us to keep this kind of stuff out or anything.

Thanks! Exactly. Most of CV is home to plenty of religion bashing and ant-theistic arguments, but I'd rather this place not be one of them.

@fesak: Lol fesak, where have you been all this time?

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@fesak said:

@pooty said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@minigunman123:

Not necessarily; pretty much all devout Christians (not Catholics, Christians. Catholics have lots of tradition and stuff that's not in the Bible, but they think it's holy and Godly and stuff; Christians' core belief is the belief in what Jesus taught and an acceptance of him as savior, something not every Catholic accepts without issue) believe in the same God, but the Bible has many interpretations because people don't all see it the same way. We all believe in the same God and have faith in him, but we don't agree on what he taught, and sometimes what he's about. We believe in the same being, it's just that the text that describes him to us often has people thinking it means different things, but we all usually believe in the same core values. You're right Decepticon, though, there are a few Christian denominations which are way out there, and even contradict what the Bible says, and they have some very different views from core Christianity.

But Catholicism was the first christian denomination.And different denominations have different belief's of what god is,and it is,so it seems they are different versions of the same god.But they are still different gods.

Can you give some examples of these "different gods" that Christians believe in? and the characteristics of the god they believe in? and the name of the denomination?

They also believe in Satan who is basically more powerful than god.

Good point.

What? Christianity does not teach that Satan is more powerful than God, and no Christian who reads (and understands) the Bible often would ever believe that. Satan is the equal of Michael the Archangel, not God.

See these things here

• Foul language should be put out of you. It is not acceptable to use such language, even in anger, righteous indignation, passion, or any such thing. God says this and does not make an exception.

• Righteous indignation, or righteous anger, fury, or passion, are good things. It is good to be angry at injustice, abuse, violation, at yourself or others, even if it is dealt with, but not to your own health and emotional healing

People go to war, people kill each other. God teaches us that if no other alternative presents itself, we must remove those who would poison us or kill us, by killing them and allowing him to judge them finally, in war; this is not a single person who commits violations, who can be imprisoned or rebuked or taught, this is a group of people who will not cease their antagonistic and tempting ways, provoking unrighteous anger, which displeases the Lord. War is commanded by God to put down those temptations because they cannot be avoided any other way. War is different from murder in that murder is an unrighteous virtue of anger, while war is the only way to save ones self from violation and temptation in some situations, which God helps us see with clarity, if we are in counsel with Him. This is why an actively Christian President is often the best President, if given a choice between a Christian and non-Christian.

are exactly why I'm glad I'm not religious at all.