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#1 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

Malicious rape joke, or misunderstanding?

Tell me, Comicvine.

Tell me.

#2 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (8077 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2431 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds like a rape innuendo to me.

#4 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6358 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally found it extremely offensive, but she didn't seem to take offense, so I suppose it's not as bad as I think?

#5 Posted by Dragonborn_CT (23935 posts) - - Show Bio

O_______o

#6 Edited by lilben42 (2609 posts) - - Show Bio

Just a joke but everybody has a dirty mind so yeah. At least i think so.

#7 Posted by Bogey (970 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think anything of it. It's a common phrase to tell someone who is getting whooped in any game.

#8 Edited by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (12500 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't that bad

#9 Edited by Strider92 (16838 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a pretty sick mind/sense of humor and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

#10 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (26988 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a pretty sick mind and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

This.

#11 Edited by Samimista (21062 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92 said:

I have a pretty sick mind and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

This.

#12 Edited by nerdork (4039 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, that is the kind of stuff you say to someone while playing a videogame.

Boy, girl...doesnt matter....if i am destroying you via videogame...i am therefore (figuratively) raping you.

#13 Posted by SavageDragon (2252 posts) - - Show Bio

People shouldnt have to be PC while playing video games.

#14 Posted by nickthedevil (13972 posts) - - Show Bio

It's... Not offensive in any way, shape, or form.

#15 Posted by XImpossibruX (5267 posts) - - Show Bio

Innuendo, but not a direct rape joke.

#16 Posted by amutant (267 posts) - - Show Bio

Rape jokes are the new Knock Knock.

#17 Posted by AweSam (7376 posts) - - Show Bio

Playful humor. If anyone gets offended by this, then they probably get offended by everything.

#18 Edited by ShadowX (1207 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem with rape jokes(and yes this is one) it devalues what actually happens, its a joke on a serious topic that can actually effect people. Some rape victims are triggered severely by the mention of the word itself, or by certain phrases like " just sit there and take it". By joking about it, by making " rape" as a term to beating you in a video game, its equating beating somebody n a bidoe game to a personal violations of a persons body and mind That could leave permanent scars. Thats why rape jokes are wrong.. you are saying beating somebody in a game is like violating somebodies body, and it belittles the struggles of victims.

#19 Posted by SOG7dc (8214 posts) - - Show Bio

Wha?....hold on im gonna look up the definition of "joke" on Wikipedia.......

#20 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10130 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it's more like accept your losing.

Now for the using of the word Rape in this venue,it is totally not needed. There is a dictionary full of words that better describe wining in a video game. But what do you want from a bunch of fourteen year olds and people who have zero empathy.

#21 Posted by Mercy_ (91888 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx said:

The problem with rape jokes(and yes this is one) it devalues what actually happens, its a joke on a serious topic that can actually effect people. Some rape victims are triggered severely by the mention of the word itself, or by certain phrases like " just sit there and take it". By joking about it, by making " rape" as a term to beating you in a video game, its equating beating somebody n a bidoe game to a personal violations of a persons body and mind That could leave permanent scars. Thats why rape are wrong.. you are saying beating somebod in a game is like violating somebodies body, and it belittles the struggles of victims.

Absolutely.

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#22 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (1344 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@strider92 said:

I have a pretty sick mind and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

This.

#23 Edited by The Stegman (26106 posts) - - Show Bio

@samimista said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@strider92 said:

I have a pretty sick mind and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

This.

I also agree. Though, I will admit, VERY, VERY little offends me, rape jokes, race jokes, whatever, if it's funny I'll laugh, if it's not, I won't, but I get kinda annoyed at how PC some people get. Louis C.K is my favorite comedian for the simple fact that he won't hold back on his comedy, he will often be extremely offensive, but still gets the laughs.

#24 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7510 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx said:

The problem with rape jokes(and yes this is one) it devalues what actually happens, its a joke on a serious topic that can actually effect people. Some rape victims are triggered severely by the mention of the word itself, or by certain phrases like " just sit there and take it". By joking about it, by making " rape" as a term to beating you in a video game, its equating beating somebody n a bidoe game to a personal violations of a persons body and mind That could leave permanent scars. Thats why rape jokes are wrong.. you are saying beating somebody in a game is like violating somebodies body, and it belittles the struggles of victims.

would it be equally, if not more offensive to say that you were "killing someone" in a video game?

#25 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7510 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx: also, I guess it's relevant to say that the word "rape" can be used (and was used before the forced unconsented carnal knowledge definition) to describe plundering or simply stealing

#26 Posted by ShadowX (1207 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Its however not really used in that context anymore or at least as much. Thats like telling somebody its okay to use F***** because it can mean a cigarette.

As for the killing thing. Debately yes it could be but more often then not victims of murders are rarely alive, and it doeant have nearly the triggering effect to as it does to rape victims who are still alive.

#27 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@mercy_ said:

@shadowx said:

The problem with rape jokes(and yes this is one) it devalues what actually happens, its a joke on a serious topic that can actually effect people. Some rape victims are triggered severely by the mention of the word itself, or by certain phrases like " just sit there and take it". By joking about it, by making " rape" as a term to beating you in a video game, its equating beating somebody n a bidoe game to a personal violations of a persons body and mind That could leave permanent scars. Thats why rape are wrong.. you are saying beating somebod in a game is like violating somebodies body, and it belittles the struggles of victims.

Absolutely.

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Not for anything, but "Just let it happen, it'll be over soon" comment just lends itself to the whole culture of relegating the idea of "winning" and "victory" with rape. As in sexually. Online gaming, especially with female gamers are loaded with excess amounts of blatant misogynistic commentary however I woudn't want to make this exclusively female. Any gamer - male or female - who throw out the idea of rape as another way of describing a "win" perpetuates the idea rape is declaration of "owning" someone. It's not.

In this instance I would consider it poor taste and considering the celebrities involved, irresponsible. I wouldn't crack the whip over their heads and denounce them for rape enthusiasts but a little information, a little less ignorance would go a long way.

Not malicious, but thoughtless. Don't need to make a huge deal about it, but acknowledging it wouldn't be a bad thing.

Like @fuchsia_nightingale mentioned, there are so many other words a person could use.

#28 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10130 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: A great deal of my friends that are males are also avid fighting game fans. I have never once heard them use the term rape.

#29 Posted by Aiden Cross (15526 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, i get uncomfortable when someone uses the term and would never use it myself. I understand why (some) people might get offended over it.

When i see people use the term I view them as ignorant. May be to extreme or judgemental but that's how i feel.

#30 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18842 posts) - - Show Bio

Would someone Explain to me where the so called " RAPE JOKE" was? seriously?

there was like one sentence of " i don't like this" and that was pretty much it.

InnerVenom123...U CRAZY!

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#31 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah it just sounds like standard competitive gamer talk to me.

#32 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: A great deal of my friends that are males are also avid fighting game fans. I have never once heard them use the term rape.

Yep -- mine too. Kind of shocked me to learn of people who do, to be honest.

#33 Edited by Extremis (3363 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx: I was thinking it and you said it. And I couldn't have any better myself. Cheers.

#34 Posted by TDK_1997 (15123 posts) - - Show Bio

I make jokes like that all the time so I don't consder this as a rape joke.It was more of a sick joke but it was fun at least.

#35 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess I can kinda see the subtext...but honestly if it wasn't mentioned, the whole thing wouldn't have crossed my mind....

#36 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: "Just let it happen. It'll be over soon." is the supposed rape joke that people were freaking out about, that prompted me to make this thread to see what CV thought.

#37 Edited by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

"Anything can be funny if it's in the right context." - George Carlin

However, some women would find that kind of offensive I guess.

Me? I snickered.

#38 Edited by akbogert (3227 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

@mercy_ said:

@shadowx said:

The problem with rape jokes(and yes this is one) it devalues what actually happens, its a joke on a serious topic that can actually effect people. Some rape victims are triggered severely by the mention of the word itself, or by certain phrases like " just sit there and take it". By joking about it, by making " rape" as a term to beating you in a video game, its equating beating somebody n a bidoe game to a personal violations of a persons body and mind That could leave permanent scars. Thats why rape are wrong.. you are saying beating somebod in a game is like violating somebodies body, and it belittles the struggles of victims.

Absolutely.

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Not for anything, but "Just let it happen, it'll be over soon" comment just lends itself to the whole culture of relegating the idea of "winning" and "victory" with rape. As in sexually. Online gaming, especially with female gamers are loaded with excess amounts of blatant misogynistic commentary however I woudn't want to make this exclusively female. Any gamer - male or female - who throw out the idea of rape as another way of describing a "win" perpetuates the idea rape is declaration of "owning" someone. It's not.

In this instance I would consider it poor taste and considering the celebrities involved, irresponsible. I wouldn't crack the whip over their heads and denounce them for rape enthusiasts but a little information, a little less ignorance would go a long way.

Not malicious, but thoughtless. Don't need to make a huge deal about it, but acknowledging it wouldn't be a bad thing.

Like @fuchsia_nightingale mentioned, there are so many other words a person could use.

Pretty much all of this.

I was only half paying attention to this particular segment because I don't care for fighting games, but my head shot straight up when I heard the guy, destroying his female opponent in what was clearly a scripted defeat (which in and of itself is bothersome because no one who works for and represents the company and game would be as incompetent as she was meant to be in that demo), telling her words I have seen countless times said to rape victims about just accepting it and how it'll be over soon. This is pure rape culture humor. There's not even a debate. The fact that raping has become so commonly used that people don't even think twice about whether it should offend them to hear it used that way does not, in fact, undermine how problematic that usage is. If we were a culture that was sensitive to the real problem of rape and how it affects people (and particularly to the misogyny inherent in the industry and the fact that most rape historically has been committed against females), then we would not have greenlit a joke like this in the first place, let alone laughed at it.

I do want to be clear, that it's neither malicious rape joke nor "just a misunderstanding." It's an insidious rape joke -- indirectly permitting rape to be taken lightly, and therefore a misunderstanding that needs to be called out and condemned so as to inform future joke-writers to be more careful about the things they laugh about. I actually know Ashton, the woman who was in that demo (not well, but we've talked before). And she has, since this demo, acknowledged that she was not personally offended at all, and such, and since I do know her I know she's not just saying that because someone told her to play it down. But just because a person does not get offended by something does not mean it isn't offensive.

And for a company that is trying to boast of bringing the future to its consumers -- consumers of all backgrounds -- humor like this definitely was a mistake.

#39 Posted by mikethekiller (8492 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really offensive. Thought the dude was going to I'm raping you or something like that.

#40 Posted by Bruxae (14008 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe its because english isnt my first language but I felt like "just let it happen" could just aswell mean let me murder you/beat you up/just let me win, or many other things that is not rape.

#41 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26988 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

Maybe its because english isnt my first language but I felt like "just let it happen" could just aswell mean let me murder you/beat you up/just let me win, or many other things that is not rape.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

#43 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18842 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: "Just let it happen. It'll be over soon." is the supposed rape joke that people were freaking out about, that prompted me to make this thread to see what CV thought.

Yeah but it was obviously NOT meant to be the rape joke, just a simply " you are gonna loose" statement.

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#44 Edited by Nerx (15087 posts) - - Show Bio

Xboned

#45 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12674 posts) - - Show Bio

@linsanel_doctor said:

@samimista said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@strider92 said:

I have a pretty sick mind and I honestly do not see the rape joke here lol. There were a few suggestive comments but nothing inferring rape............Either i'm desensitized or people are being over-sensitive.

This.

I also agree. Though, I will admit, VERY, VERY little offends me, rape jokes, race jokes, whatever, if it's funny I'll laugh, if it's not, I won't, but I get kinda annoyed at how PC some people get. Louis C.K is my favorite comedian for the simple fact that he won't hold back on his comedy, he will often be extremely offensive, but still gets the laughs.

I concur with this, steg.

#46 Edited by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends, do you dislike Microsoft?

#47 Edited by RustyRoy (14041 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

I guess I can kinda see the subtext...but honestly if it wasn't mentioned, the whole thing wouldn't have crossed my mind....

#48 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (6118 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Daniel Tosh as well. If people get offended so easily they had better not go see this guy.

#49 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought of it immediatly. I don't know if it was intended, and I don't feel as thought it was.

Doesn't help the guy saying it sounded like a total weirdo.

"Yeahhh, you sit there and take it." Yeah, that didn't help with how he said it. But no, I don't think it was intended to be a rape joke. The guy talked like someone who really just needs punched in the mouth though. Just for sounding like he does.

#50 Posted by akbogert (3227 posts) - - Show Bio

@innervenom123 said:

@theacidskull: "Just let it happen. It'll be over soon." is the supposed rape joke that people were freaking out about, that prompted me to make this thread to see what CV thought.

Yeah but it was obviously NOT meant to be the rape joke, just a simply " you are gonna loose" statement.

Right. That's the thing, is that in gaming communities "i'm raping the other team" is frequently said in lieu of "i'm beating the other team." Losing = getting raped. They're practically interchangeable, so that when you discuss beating or "owning" the other team it has become acceptable to use rape or sexual domination terms.

The fact remains that the exact same words are often said to people who are being raped, and with the same mocking/overpowering tone. Like I and several others said, the joke itself was at the very least not properly thought out because plenty of people who heard it immediately saw it as a rape joke, and when something can easily be construed as such it would be better to try to avoid it.