Marine Who Criticized Obama On Facebook....

I understand the reason for his dismissal, but kudos for speaking your opinion.

@cyberninja said:

This guy is a marine, and Obama is the commander-in-chief AKA his boss, how many jobs do you know where you can insult your boss publicly and expect no consequences? Get real.

This.

He should have set his status to Private.

@primepower53 said:

So much for free speech...

Seriously, I don't care if Obama was his boss, at least give him some leeway as he's the one risking his life out there. Not Obama, or any other politician, for that matter who hide behind desks while they send others into combat for their lives with little to no viable reason *cough*Bush*cough*

He is a military man. As a veteran I can definitely say that the military is paying you to protect the rights to opinions and not have them. Soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines aren't afforded a lot of the rights that they protect; having a opinion about the commander in chief is one of those rights.

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@cyberninja said:

This guy is a marine, and Obama is the commander-in-chief AKA his boss, how many jobs do you know where you can insult your boss publicly and expect no consequences? Get real.

He is not our boss we are his.

Wrong. He is the boss of all servicemen and women. As much as Democrats hated Bush they still had to follow his orders. If the tables were turned the same thing would've happened. This guy violated the UCMJ and got punished.

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Night Thrasher: That still doesn't change my opinion, but I have a question for you that's kind of off-topic because I myself am interested in joining.

If the time came when you as a military man were ordered to attack American civilians (assuming you are American), would you? Like would you choose your government over your people?

You don't have to obey an unlawful order. People get that mixed up. If you are targeting domestic terrorists then of course you follow orders because they are considered a threat to the nation (thanks in part to The Patriot Act). But I got in trouble a lot when I was in for having an opinion so I'm speaking from experience.

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Night Thrasher: Not foreign civilians, but domestic. Let's say another Civil War broke out tomorrow and American Civilians were attacking bases of operations such as the White House and CIA and FBI headquarters throughout the country. If you were still enlisted what would you do?

I'm only asking because after I talked to my grandfather about this (who served in the Corps) he asked me this question. Naturally I said I would turn my gun against the government and he replied that because of that I wasn't Army material.

Your grandpa is right. You serve the president, who serves the people. Attacking the White House or any government facility is considered an attack on the people. If you actually attacked the people directly then really your just a mass murderer. But to make an attack against all of us you have to attack the symbolic head which of course is the President. A terrorist isn't just someone from a foreign country, an american citizen can also be a terrorist (think unibomber or KKK). I'll give you a comic book example. If there where HYDRA agents attacking the president would you side with them. Because you essentially just said you would.

@NlGHTCRAWLER: Tonight on Fox News Obama-Head of Hydra

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Night Thrasher: So you would rather slaughter every single American citizen before you would turn against your own government? Even if they did something super radical? What if Obama decided one day *knock on wood* that we all had to be chipped like animals and the people revolted. That's what im asking.. A terrorist threat could be very much domestic, like you are saying, but who is to say who exactly is the terrorist? What if Obama was head of Hydra. What would you do then?

I think your taking your partisanship to an extreme. If the president were to be a terrorist then yes, I would fight against it. But, my president now, nor has any before him violated that trust. Before it even got to that point I would trust that my senate and Supreme Court would do their jobs and stop it. I think your trying to make an anti-Obama case rather than a free speech case. I am not and was not by any means a ditto-head who always does what I am told but I do believe the Constitution and UCMJ have a purpose and believe in them both fully.

@NlGHTCRAWLER: Red Skull is gonna be so pissed

@joshmightbe: Why did you have to mention Faux News?

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Night Thrasher: So you would rather slaughter every single American citizen before you would turn against your own government? Even if they did something super radical? What if Obama decided one day *knock on wood* that we all had to be chipped like animals and the people revolted. That's what im asking.. A terrorist threat could be very much domestic, like you are saying, but who is to say who exactly is the terrorist? What if Obama was head of Hydra. What would you do then?

I think your taking your partisanship to an extreme. If the president were to be a terrorist then yes, I would fight against it. But, my president now, nor has any before him violated that trust. Before it even got to that point I would trust that my senate and Supreme Court would do their jobs and stop it. I think your trying to make an anti-Obama case rather than a free speech case. I am not and was not by any means a ditto-head who always does what I am told but I do believe the Constitution and UCMJ have a purpose and believe in them both fully.

Well I only asked that because I was asked the same question (actually a more extreme one that involved genocide O__O), and I only used Obama as an example because he's our president right now. I'm actually Pro-Obama kind of. When you mentioned you were a service man I thought it would be wise to get your opinion on the subject because I wanted to enlist before today.

It's cool. I served three and a half years in the Navy and it was a good time for the most part. You just have to remember that you are enlisted to protect rights and not enjoy them. Freedom of speech when it comes to the commander in chief is frowned upon and can be disciplined under the UCMJ as mentioned earlier. This is of course because the military is a neutral entity. But, unlawful orders, such as genocide, is definitely not one of those follow or else orders. For example, if we were both soldiers in Afghanistan and our base was attacked and we fought off the insurgents and captured one. If as my commanding officer you ordered me to execute him then I'm not obligated to follow that order because it's a violation of the Geneva Act. Common sense comes into play a little but mostly it's do as your told unless it violates the law domestic or international war policy (i.e Geneva or United Nations). You defend the people by doing as the government asks because the government is the will of the people. If the people don't like what the government does in their name then they vote for a different representative to serve in their name.

@Night Thrasher: Fox news is the greatest source of comedy the world has ever known

@joshmightbe said:

@Night Thrasher: Fox news is the greatest source of comedy the world has ever known

Need a damn like button!

@jeanlucpicard said:

This guy said some bad words about obama on facebook and is getting other-than-honorable discharge. Here's the link below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/gary-stein-marine-obama-facebook_n_1453031.html?icid=maing-grid7|aim|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D155268

( im using parchment v1. so if you can't see the link again im sorry) My thoughts on this are, If you're defending your country you should be allowed to say what you want about the president. WHo cares what it is. Obama is the president, not a soldier. In conclusion in nice words, this is just stupid.

I think he should be able o criticize the President. HOWEVER if he say he will refuse to take Obamas orders he is no longer doing his job and should be discharged.

@PowerHerc said:

@jeanlucpicard said:

This guy said some bad words about obama on facebook and is getting other-than-honorable discharge. My thoughts on this are, If you're defending your country you should be allowed to say what you want about the president. WHo cares what it is. Obama is the president, not a soldier. In conclusion in nice words, this is just stupid.

I agree.

The Marine is serving his country and putting his life on the line. That should give him the right to criticize the President who, incidentally, has never served in the armed forces and has no idea what that kind of commitment really means.

Freedom of speech is an right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America; to bad it doesn't apply to those trained, qualified and most ready to defend it and also the most likely to pay the ultimate price while doing so.

Freedom of speech does not give you freedom from consequences. Don't pretend like the guy didn't have freedom of speech just because he got punished for exercising it.

@texasdeathmatch said:

@cyberninja said:

This guy is a marine, and Obama is the commander-in-chief AKA his boss, how many jobs do you know where you can insult your boss publicly and expect no consequences? Get real.

Seriously. Every time I see people b*tch about their jobs or bosses on Facebook, I always cringe because that is so incredibly unprofessional.

Yep these quotes get my stamp of approval.....

now where did i put that stamp....

I'm not surprised. Obama always gets criticized.

Love the radicals on this site.

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