Magic the Gathering?

I might look into EDH if M15 ends up falling short of what I want in terms of balance. I guess I'm just an old fart who misses the Magic of yesteryear. I stopped being real serious about the game around M10, and the game was perfect back then. I just got back into it a bit with my step-brother's visit. He's been collecting for only about 2 years, but all of his cards are from the newest expansions. That's why I'm so bitter. He wiped the floor with me in about 70-80% of our matches. His cards were so disgusting. He told me he even bought some of them individually, so it really just came down to whoever had spent the most money would win. Magic never used to be like that. That's Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokemon sh*t.

@jedixman: It's fine if you want to save money or if you just a casual player, I guess. I'm still not that happy with it, though.

EDH is a nice format. Most games take a long time to play, and there's very little restrictions of what you can and cannot play. There was a phase around M10 where the game got slower - much different from insane Legacy decks with turn 1 combos (which I don't enjoy playing).

You could... proxy like me... just sayin' >_>

@jaken7: Nothing comes close to the power 9 in recent years, nor to Jace the Mindsculptor, who was released just after m10. Sure, Innistrad and Ravnica upped the power level, but Legacy and Vintage still use lots of older cards, rather than newer cards.

@jedixman: Can you stop quoting, please? It's becoming a pyramid text and I keep getting notifications for them.

@jedixman: Yeah, I've always preferred the long games. Not necessarily "slower" because a lot happens, but it shouldn't be over before each player has at least 5 lands or so out.

Well duh. That's why those cards were banned. Jace is a Planeswalker, so that's semi-expected. As far as legitimate cards go though, these most recent expansions have taken it to a whole 'nother level.

Fair enough.

EDH is the kind of game where having 10 lands is not uncommon.

@jedixman: That's the sh%t I'm talking about!

@jaken7: Most Legacy decks and vintage decks I come across run almost exclusively cards from before m11. Heck, there are quite a few Legacy cards I want to be reprinted. The dual lands, Natural Order, Protean Hulk, Cunning Wish, Force of Will, Reset, Turnabout, Chain of Vapor, Hydroblast, Sensei's Diving Top, Red Elemental Blast, Birds of Paradise, Survival of the Fittest, Phyrexian Dreadnaught, all the non-banned Moxes, Lim-Dul's Vault, Show and Tell, and lots of others. Yes, current standard has some powerful cards, but so did lots of other sets.

@the_imperator: Sure, but the powerful cards from other sets had huge drawbacks either via casting cost, or in Phyrexian Dreadnought's case (since you brought him up) you needed to sacrifice a creature with a total power of 12 or more just to let him on the field. These new ones have low casting costs, and virtually no downside to them. Plus they're nearly all common, whereas the really OP cards from previous sets were either rare or mythic rare.

@jaken7: What are some of these OP commons?

*Gasp!*

He went to jared!

lol i have 2 edh decks, my favorite one is here

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/prey-to-the-gods/

It had less to do with their power, and more to do with their potential via abilities and buffs, and their low casting cost. The stuff with lifelink and heroic were especially annoying. I can't name specifics because they were my stepbrother's cards, and he's back home and took his cards with him.

I actually do have one specific card in mind though (as far as OP BS goes, not saying it's common), although it does have one slight drawback.

@Cooldes: I have a friend who runs a Karona deck, uses it to run all the complete cycles he can fit into it. All the signets, guild charms, etc. It's a pretty interesting idea, though sadly I haven't gotten to play against it yet.

@greatcaesarsghost: why is that your commander?!?!?!

You know playing from command zone doesn't activate his effects right?? as a commander... It's just a REALLY expensive 4/6 with no effect

Are you familiar with how EDH works?

PM me if you want to talk about Commander.

@jaken7: lol dude... The gods are....GODS lol they supposed to be ridiculous, that is why they are MYTHIC RARE lol...

But if you think iroas is bad... Then i guess you haven't seen athreos...

Btw an OP common is freaking GIANT GROWTH, which isn't new, MADCAP motherf***ing SKILLS, and freaking RANCOR.

There you go :p

@jaken7: That's a mythic, and a god no less, they're supposed to be pretty powerful. And considering the crap most of the two color gods were, Iroas was a nice change of pace (I'm still sad about Pharika, she really isn't good at all in any G/B deck I can think of, save maybe as a filler card in a Glissa EDH).

@jaken7 said:

@the_imperator said:

@jaken7: What are some of these OP commons?

It had less to do with their power, and more to do with their potential via abilities and buffs, and their low casting cost. The stuff with lifelink and heroic were especially annoying. I can't name specifics because they were my stepbrother's cards, and he's back home and took his cards with him.

I actually do have one specific card in mind though (as far as OP BS goes, not saying it's common), although it does have one slight drawback.

The gods are not really OP. They can be dealt with, and if they are creatures they are even more vulnerable.

But, yes, that particular card is pretty good; I run it in my EDH Boros deck. The mono red god is good, too; mono white is probably the worst one.

I know, I just hate that card. It's way too powerful, especially for such a low cost. And Mythic doesn't mean what it used to. My stepbrother had two of those f***ers in his deck.

Hadn't heard of it until to day honestly.

That's the same as EDH, right?

Aurelia, the Warleader is my commander in a Boros deck that focuses on multiple combat phases.

I want to make a 5-color Planeswalker EDH deck, but it doesn't seem very viable in EDH (not too viable in Modern, either, but it's fun).

My mono blue aggro / control deck would have fun against his deck, I think.

Focuses on low-cost creatures that amp each other, a lot of counterspells, and cards that send creatures back to their owner's hands (deals with silly things like indestructibility quite nicely).

EDH = Commander. It's the same thing.

@jaken7: It's also an enchantment. There are like a billion ways in this standard block to remove them.

Like I said, I was just pointing him out because it's the kind of sh*t I'm talking about, and I hate him.

Also, Giant Growth is far from OP, what're you on about?

@jedixman said:

@jaken7 said:

@the_imperator said:

@jaken7: What are some of these OP commons?

It had less to do with their power, and more to do with their potential via abilities and buffs, and their low casting cost. The stuff with lifelink and heroic were especially annoying. I can't name specifics because they were my stepbrother's cards, and he's back home and took his cards with him.

I actually do have one specific card in mind though (as far as OP BS goes, not saying it's common), although it does have one slight drawback.

The gods are not really OP. They can be dealt with, and if they are creatures they are even more vulnerable.

But, yes, that particular card is pretty good; I run it in my EDH Boros deck. The mono red god is good, too; mono white is probably the worst one.

Well the fact that he's indestructible means I can't destroy him. I run a mono Black deck, and my Dark Banishings and Terrors were all worthless against him. Funnily enough, I was only able to counter him after I bought two Journey Into Nyx booster packs, and I got this guy:

Being indestructible doesn't save you from exile!

I'm also bitter because Goblin War Drums is one of my oldest favorite cards, and Iroas has it built in as a secondary ability, rendering GWD proper absolutely worthless.

Modern is more fun, in my opinion, and there's even more options (Oblivion Ring, anybody?)

But you can't cast a "destroy enchantment" spell or ability, as that dude is indestructible.

@jedixman: I don't have the money to get into Modern or Vintage/Legacy, sadly. Which is nice about commander. I only need one. Whereas other formats, I need 3 and 4 ofs, which can cost a lot.

I'd love to see that.

Ok, cool.

Perfect. Kill him Black Sun's Zenith.

Turn / Burn also deals with gods quite nicely. You most certainly can kill gods, and it's quite satisfying.

@jaken7: There are 5 exile enchantment cards in standard, and 4 bounce to deck/hand cards as well. Not as many as I thought at first, but enough that they can easily be sideboarded in. In addition, board wipes basically make the dual color gods useless, since they then can't do anything and most of their abilities don't matter. Some have abilities not dependent on creatures, but most do.

I'm bitter because Standard will essentially just be M14 / Theros soon, and I liked RtR (especially as somebody who likes Boros and Dimir - Gatecrash had some great cards for that).

Also, I... proxy with friends, so money isn't an issue anymore.

Black Sun's Zenith is awesome, but I'm hesitant to stoop to my stepbrother's level and buy individual cards. xD

That card gave me a good chuckle. How utterly cheap and hilarious.

@the_imperator: Yes but remember my cards were from the original set up to M10.

I felt bad proxying decks that were actually competitive. But I might try proxying a Modern deck at some point soon.

I was simply pointing out that in the context of standard, the Gods are that hard to deal with, if you know they are coming.

I don't play in tournaments and I usually play with friends who don't care. So I don't see the point in paying for cards.

Yeah, but f*ck standard. There are plenty of tournaments that aren't specifically standard. Your point does illuminate the fact that the block is balanced within itself, but it's still OP and inconsistent with the game up until then.

*shrug* Its effect works. I play with my friends. I summon it, it has a token on it each time I summon it. That's how we've always played.

We also have free mulligans if you lack proper land, or end up with too much land.

@jaken7: what?? 1 mana for +3 +3 isn't OP??

In GREEN???? where things like trample are not only existent.... But common!

and it's green, so they'll always have the mana to quadruple giant growth any unblocked creature or any creature with trample.

That card literally carries decks.

Have a good green/red deck, but don't play any more. Mainly cuz nobody else does.

@greatcaesarsghost:

Dude... It's fine in casual i guess if your friends allow it, BUT the card specifically says (if _____ was cast from YOUR HAND _____) and commanders don't come from your hand.... They come from the command zone

@_atomikill_:

Werewolves?

Xenagopodes? (it's when you have both xenagoses in one deck)

Devotion?

@Cooldes: Um... Gruul? IDK, it's been a while like I said. All I remember (don't have em with me now, on vacay) but I do know for positive I have Gruul cards in there.

Not every card can be Oloro.

We need more cards like Oloro.

Fair enough. I don't usually play with that deck, or EDH either way.

@_atomikill_: lol i was just asking like the kind of deck dude,

Usually some of the older green red decks are werewolf decks. If it is, i have a vampires deck, we can go all twilight and duel for bella.

But if there's no specific name for the deck, and it's just a Green red win deck, that's fine too.

It's an instant. Only +3 +3 for the turn you cast.

Green is pretty well known for focusing on buffing creatures, so it makes sense that it would be Green. That's what makes Trample any good.

When are you ever going to have all of the Giant Growths that your deck has, in your hand at the same time? Who has ever done a "quadruple giant growth?"

No, a card like Blanchwood Armor carries decks.

Goblins decks with instant amps is what my red deck is all about. Your giant growth is pretty cool, it would be a pity if a red version of it existed. Mwahaha.

@jaken7: you know the user @flashgreatrrsigneveryone ? I know him irl, at the last FNM (that means JUST last friday), he TRIPLE giant growthed and placed 8th in the fnm... that card carries decks man... and esp green which is alreadyknown for huge creatures. ridiculous

If you think that's OP, you must have Rancor.

I like control decks. You cast quadruple Giant Growth or any card like that (which is pretty lucky), I'll just Unsummon or Vapor Snag the creature as it attacks, then watch my opponent's face drop.