@ReVamp said:
@Jezer said:
Did you read what you quoted?
No, I've been arguing that belting is NEVER necessary
So you're spanking the child. And how is that belting?
Let me get this straight: You have a child. You tell him not to eat anymore cookies because he's had enough. He goes and gets another cookie, and you're gonna respond:
*shrug* I can't teach him at this young age. I just have to wait till hes older so I can explain to him why too many cookies is bad for his health and why he should obey what I say. And then he'll stop. And then he'll obey me. I just have to go about indoctrinating him, a long term process, through which I don't know how the process actually works - so I can't do anything at this point. You win child, well played." *shrug*, says Revamp to his 5 year old.
That's a nice bunch of assumptions, considering I just told you I wasn't going to tell you how to be a parent, much less over the internet.
Here's what you can do: You tell him not to eat another cookie. You leave the room. You come back, he's eating another cookie! You spank him and say "Bad boy, I told you not to". He cries. He learns his lesson. Or, you spank him again till he learns his lesson. He decides not to disobey you, not to eat more cookies than he's allowed, in order to avoid you spanking him. He's learned the principle of obedience, consequence, and not to eat more cookies than allowed.
Or you can ground him. Without making him feel physical pain.
You've actually just proved this is necessary, since you couldn't think of an actual way to teach him through "indoctrination" at the age of 5.
No, you just decided to make a number of assumptions and decide it for yourself.
I was simply showing you how we got started; I didn't feel you needed to see the long chain of posts and replies but here, the next post
@ReVamp said:
- ...Which is why I dropped using the term "physical discipline" where this differentiation matters. I had thought you understood this, but I should have made it more explicit. I don't think that Physical discipline of smacking a 6 year old is wrong, no. I don't think its necessary either, but that's beyond the point.
Here you said physical discipline of smacking a 6 year old is not necessary. I'm arguing it is. That's what we've been arguing since last page and this reply.
That's a nice bunch of assumptions, considering I just told you I wasn't going to tell you how to be a parent, much less over the internet.
Um, I asked you:
"I asked you how to "indoctrinate" a 5 year old. Please stop sidestepping the question. I didn't ask you how you should raise a child properly.
I'm asking, how do you "indoctrinate" a 5 year old with respect for the elderly?"
To which you responded
"As for how, how do you teach him to respect anything? I'm not sidestepping any question, I simply don't know what your fishing for. You could narrow down your question and be more specific,"
And so I clarified
"What actions can a parent do to teach a child at the age of 5 to respect their elders, at that very age of 5? What actions can a parent do to teach their 5 year old not to eat more cookies, after you've told them they've had enough for the day, at that very age of 5?"
To which you responded:
"You can't teach things fully to a child at a young age. Its a long-term process."
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...At what point exactly did I make an assumption?
You answered my question with:"You can't, it's a long term process."
I used that to demonstrate what would happen if you(specifically you, Revamp) told a 5 year old not to eat anymore cookies and then he disobeyed you. And then just responded by going "I can't teach him to change, it's a long term process" Those aren't assumptions, its showing you what's going to happen when you're trying to teach a 5 year old, and you try to think of how to teach him to obey you, and to not eat excessive sweets, and then you fail. And simply conclude "I can't teach my kid at this young age. It's a longterm process. *shrug*"
Or you can ground him. Without making him feel physical pain.
Now you're changing your story. Good. And yet, you'd still be doing it wrong.
Grounding a 5 year old is ineffective since a 5 year old doesn't even have a social life. I doubt they will view that as punishment. But, even if they do, know that not all or even most 5 year olds will be effected by being grounded. In fact, some if not most 5 year olds will like it.
On the other hand, the grand majority of 5 year olds dislike pain. That is a given. There might be some random, diseased exception out there, but 99% of 5 year olds do not like pain. 99% of people do not like pain. That it is why spanking them will condition them better than grounding them. That is why physical discipline is necessary.
No, you just decided to make a number of assumptions and decide it for yourself.
Please try to keep track of what you say. Especially in your prior post. But yes, you proved it was necessary when you said, ""You can't teach things fully to a child at a young age. Its a long-term process."
Did I make that up, or did just say that a post ago? You just said it a post ago.
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