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#1 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

#2 Posted by Bossmonster (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Van damn Stomps.

Unbeaten in Europe.

#3 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5411 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris beats brakes off Van Damme

#4 Posted by TotalBalance (742 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris was by FAR the better fighter in his prime, however he was middleweight while Jean-Claude was light-heavyweight so if they actually fought Chuck Norris would probably lose due to the severe size disadvantage.

#5 Posted by robertloucksjr (1747 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck would kill him.

Chuck Norris had an outstanding karate tournament career from 1964 until his retirement in 1974. His tournament record is estimated to be 183-10-2, though opinions often vary on this to a significant degree. He won at least 30 tournaments.

In addition, Norris was the former World Professional Middleweight Karate Champion, a belt that he held for six years. Along the way, he defeated karate greats like Allen Steen, Joe Lewis, Arnold Urquidez, and Louis Delgado.

Jean Claude:

In 1976 at the age of sixteen, Jean-Claude started his Martial Arts fight career. Over the next 6-years, he competed in both full-contact and semi-contact matches.

He debuted under his birth name of Jean Claude Van Varenberg. In his first match, Jean-Claude was staggered by a round-house kick thrown by fellow countryman, Toon Van Oostrum in Brussels, Belgium. Van Damme was badly stunned, but came back to knockout Van Oostrum moments later.

In 1977, at the WAKO Open International in Antwerp, Belgium, Jean-Claude lost a decision to fellow team mate Patrick Teugels in a semi-contact match.

At the 1978 Challenge De Espoirs Karate Tournament (1st Trials),Jean-Claude placed 2nd in the semi-contact division. He defeated twenty-five opponents during the week long tournament, but lost in the finals to Angelo Spataro from the Naha Club.

Later in 1978,Jean-Claude lost a 3-round match for the Belgium Lightweight Championship (semi-contact) to his fellow team-mate to Patrick Teugels.

In 1979, Jean-Claude traveled to the United States of America, to Tampa, Florida. In his first and only match against a United States opponent, Van Damme faced 'Sherman 'Big Train'Bergman', a kick-boxer from the Miami Beach, Florida. For the first and only time in his career, Jean-Claude was knocked to the canvas after absorbing a powerful left hook from Bergman. However, Jean-Claude climbed off the canvas and with a perfectly timed ax-kick, knocked Bergman out in 56 seconds of the first round.

Jean-Claude was a member of the Belgium team which competed on December 26, 1979 at the La Coupe Fancois Persoons Karate Tournament which was sanctioned by the Federation bruxelloise de Karate. Van Damme's final match victory enabled his team to win the European Team Karate Championship.

In Full-Contact karate, Jean-Claude knocked out England's Micheal Heming in 46 seconds of the first round.

In 1980, Jean-Claude Van Damme knocked out France's Georges Verlugels in 2 rounds of a match fought under kick-boxing rules.

Jean-Claude wanted to defeat his rival Patrick Teugels. At the Forest Nationals in Brussels, on March 8, 1980, Jean-Claude knocked Teugels down and Teugels suffered a nose injury and was unable to continue. Jean-Claude was awarded a first round victory.

Jean-Claude retired from martial arts in 1982, following a knockout over Nedjad Gharbi in Brussels,Belgium.

Jean-Claude posted a 18-1 (18 knockouts) Kickboxing record, and a Semi-Contact record of 41-4.

#6 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damage to Chuck!

#7 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean-Claude Van Damme parece mucho más capacitado, sabe mucho más que un simple karate.

Van Damme se detiene

#8 Posted by ComicStooge (12807 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Lee beats them both.

#9 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Dudo

Van Damme estába MÁS Preparado

#10 Posted by dondave (37405 posts) - - Show Bio

@UltramanPrime: you should probably use google translator

#11 Posted by afueikawa (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

Chuck would kill him.

Chuck Norris had an outstanding karate tournament career from 1964 until his retirement in 1974. His tournament record is estimated to be 183-10-2, though opinions often vary on this to a significant degree. He won at least 30 tournaments.

In addition, Norris was the former World Professional Middleweight Karate Champion, a belt that he held for six years. Along the way, he defeated karate greats like Allen Steen, Joe Lewis, Arnold Urquidez, and Louis Delgado.

Jean Claude:

In 1976 at the age of sixteen, Jean-Claude started his Martial Arts fight career. Over the next 6-years, he competed in both full-contact and semi-contact matches.

He debuted under his birth name of Jean Claude Van Varenberg. In his first match, Jean-Claude was staggered by a round-house kick thrown by fellow countryman, Toon Van Oostrum in Brussels, Belgium. Van Damme was badly stunned, but came back to knockout Van Oostrum moments later.

In 1977, at the WAKO Open International in Antwerp, Belgium, Jean-Claude lost a decision to fellow team mate Patrick Teugels in a semi-contact match.

At the 1978 Challenge De Espoirs Karate Tournament (1st Trials),Jean-Claude placed 2nd in the semi-contact division. He defeated twenty-five opponents during the week long tournament, but lost in the finals to Angelo Spataro from the Naha Club.

Later in 1978,Jean-Claude lost a 3-round match for the Belgium Lightweight Championship (semi-contact) to his fellow team-mate to Patrick Teugels.

In 1979, Jean-Claude traveled to the United States of America, to Tampa, Florida. In his first and only match against a United States opponent, Van Damme faced 'Sherman 'Big Train'Bergman', a kick-boxer from the Miami Beach, Florida. For the first and only time in his career, Jean-Claude was knocked to the canvas after absorbing a powerful left hook from Bergman. However, Jean-Claude climbed off the canvas and with a perfectly timed ax-kick, knocked Bergman out in 56 seconds of the first round.

Jean-Claude was a member of the Belgium team which competed on December 26, 1979 at the La Coupe Fancois Persoons Karate Tournament which was sanctioned by the Federation bruxelloise de Karate. Van Damme's final match victory enabled his team to win the European Team Karate Championship.

In Full-Contact karate, Jean-Claude knocked out England's Micheal Heming in 46 seconds of the first round.

In 1980, Jean-Claude Van Damme knocked out France's Georges Verlugels in 2 rounds of a match fought under kick-boxing rules.

Jean-Claude wanted to defeat his rival Patrick Teugels. At the Forest Nationals in Brussels, on March 8, 1980, Jean-Claude knocked Teugels down and Teugels suffered a nose injury and was unable to continue. Jean-Claude was awarded a first round victory.

Jean-Claude retired from martial arts in 1982, following a knockout over Nedjad Gharbi in Brussels,Belgium.

Jean-Claude posted a 18-1 (18 knockouts) Kickboxing record, and a Semi-Contact record of 41-4.

Base on this, I say Chuck.

@ComicStooge said:

Bruce Lee beats them both.

:-)

#12 Posted by ClarkJosephKent1938DC (682 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck knows a wider variety of martial arts including jujitsu. He wins!

#13 Posted by Captain_Awesome85 (452 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damme's kicks would have no effect on Chuck Norris' beard,

the Ginger Ninja stomps

#14 Posted by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@TotalBalance said:

Chuck Norris was by FAR the better fighter in his prime, however he was middleweight while Jean-Claude was light-heavyweight so if they actually fought Chuck Norris would probably lose due to the severe size disadvantage.

Jean-Claude would have size advantage, but Chuck would have speed advantage. I honestly believe the middleweight is superior in mixed classes. A bigger guy tire much faster and will still be knocked out by a good kick to the head.

#15 Posted by Deadgod (1413 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris should win here

Online
#16 Posted by laflux (15898 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice to see a Chuck Norris thread not filled with Hyperbole.

#17 Edited by AverageMan (138 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:Chuck would kill him.

Chuck Norris had an outstanding karate tournament career from 1964 until his retirement in 1974. His tournament record is estimated to be 183-10-2, though opinions often vary on this to a significant degree. He won at least 30 tournaments.

In addition, Norris was the former World Professional Middleweight Karate Champion, a belt that he held for six years. Along the way, he defeated karate greats like Allen Steen, Joe Lewis, Arnold Urquidez, and Louis Delgado.

Jean Claude:

In 1976 at the age of sixteen, Jean-Claude started his Martial Arts fight career. Over the next 6-years, he competed in both full-contact and semi-contact matches.

He debuted under his birth name of Jean Claude Van Varenberg. In his first match, Jean-Claude was staggered by a round-house kick thrown by fellow countryman, Toon Van Oostrum in Brussels, Belgium. Van Damme was badly stunned, but came back to knockout Van Oostrum moments later.

In 1977, at the WAKO Open International in Antwerp, Belgium, Jean-Claude lost a decision to fellow team mate Patrick Teugels in a semi-contact match.

At the 1978 Challenge De Espoirs Karate Tournament (1st Trials),Jean-Claude placed 2nd in the semi-contact division. He defeated twenty-five opponents during the week long tournament, but lost in the finals to Angelo Spataro from the Naha Club.

Later in 1978,Jean-Claude lost a 3-round match for the Belgium Lightweight Championship (semi-contact) to his fellow team-mate to Patrick Teugels.

In 1979, Jean-Claude traveled to the United States of America, to Tampa, Florida. In his first and only match against a United States opponent, Van Damme faced 'Sherman 'Big Train'Bergman', a kick-boxer from the Miami Beach, Florida. For the first and only time in his career, Jean-Claude was knocked to the canvas after absorbing a powerful left hook from Bergman. However, Jean-Claude climbed off the canvas and with a perfectly timed ax-kick, knocked Bergman out in 56 seconds of the first round.

Jean-Claude was a member of the Belgium team which competed on December 26, 1979 at the La Coupe Fancois Persoons Karate Tournament which was sanctioned by the Federation bruxelloise de Karate. Van Damme's final match victory enabled his team to win the European Team Karate Championship.

In Full-Contact karate, Jean-Claude knocked out England's Micheal Heming in 46 seconds of the first round.

In 1980, Jean-Claude Van Damme knocked out France's Georges Verlugels in 2 rounds of a match fought under kick-boxing rules.

Jean-Claude wanted to defeat his rival Patrick Teugels. At the Forest Nationals in Brussels, on March 8, 1980, Jean-Claude knocked Teugels down and Teugels suffered a nose injury and was unable to continue. Jean-Claude was awarded a first round victory.

Jean-Claude retired from martial arts in 1982, following a knockout over Nedjad Gharbi in Brussels,Belgium.

Jean-Claude posted a 18-1 (18 knockouts) Kickboxing record, and a Semi-Contact record of 41-4.

What you just posted is completely pointless. Karate and Kick Boxing are two different martial arts sports and I'd always bet on the man who has mastered kick boxing rather than a person who has mastered Karate.

Jean Claude Van Damme wins this fight without doubt.

#18 Edited by Bossmonster (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@AverageMan So this is leading me to believe that you don't know much about Karate. I personally think CHuck would lose if they fought back then, however it's primarly based of what I've seen the two of them do. The demonstartions of speed and the like. Why are you going with Jean just because chuck knows Karate?

@robertloucksjr

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So why does Chuck win? I was b.s'ing in my first post, I'm actually going to give a more full response in a second. I thought this was going to become a joke thread because chuck was in it. Van Damn was an amazing fighter. Based on his record, there is little doubt that he could have gone much further if he didn't change is path.
#19 Posted by robertloucksjr (1747 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck was World Karate Champion for 6 years. Jean was never even champion of tiny Belgian.

#20 Posted by AverageMan (138 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bossmonster said:

@AverageMan So this is leading me to believe that you don't know much about Karate. I personally think CHuck would lose if they fought back then, however it's primarly based of what I've seen the two of them do. The demonstartions of speed and the like. Why are you going with Jean just because chuck knows Karate?

@robertloucksjr

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So why does Chuck win? I was b.s'ing in my first post, I'm actually going to give a more full response in a second. I thought this was going to become a joke thread because chuck was in it. Van Damn was an amazing fighter. Based on his record, there is little doubt that he could have gone much further if he didn't change is path.

I think you have an unrealistic perspective about martial arts. You are a joke if you are implying that I know little about Karate based ONLY on the differences I made on my previous post. THEY ARE BOTH DIFFERENT MARTIAL ARTS SPORTS. Karate concentrates on techniques and speed while Kick Boxing concentrates on endurance, strength and speed is also required especially for middle-weight Kick Boxers. That's why most women prefer Karate than Kick Boxing because it doesn't involve too much strength and endurance training. Kick Boxing is the most effective sport in self defense as well as Krav Maga. I have seen plenty of fights in the WCL between a man who has mastered Karate and a Man who has Mastered Kick Boxing who in fact won most matches than the Karate guys. That's why Chuck would lose this fight because his training didn't involve strength or endurance which is vital during a fight.

#21 Edited by D3athstroke (3916 posts) - - Show Bio

This is one sided stomp 
Chuck Norris was world class fighter in age of real fighters the man retired undefeated
Van is dancer
Norris would kill him

#22 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

@WaveMotionCannon said:

Chuck Norris beats brakes off Van Damme

yup.

#23 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damme FUE 2 Veces Campeón del Mundo de la Liga Europea de Karate.

investigar más Van Damme.

#24 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris would likely win. Would be an interesting fight however to watch

#25 Edited by Bossmonster (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@AverageMan:

That entire post was laughable. Anyway. At least we agreed on the winner of this fight. Despite you're laughable perespective.
#26 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Edited by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck would win, if he can move the Earth by doing pushups then he could throw the planet at Van Damme, and I doubt that he is durable enough to survive planet explosion.

#28 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

WDF? ChuckBoy XD

#29 Posted by afueikawa (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

Chuck would win, if he can move the Earth by doing pushups then he could throw the planet at Van Damme, and I doubt that he is durable enough to survive planet explosion.

Damn, i ROFLMAO'd on this.

Bruce Lee kicks them both though.

#30 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@afueikawa said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Chuck would win, if he can move the Earth by doing pushups then he could throw the planet at Van Damme, and I doubt that he is durable enough to survive planet explosion.

Damn, i ROFLMAO'd on this.

Bruce Lee kicks them both though.

Only if Bruce can cut the world in half with his kick! :)

#31 Posted by afueikawa (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian:

Chuck - Planetary Level

Bruce Lee - ?

Van Damme - ?

#32 Edited by ComicStooge (12807 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damme - City buster

Chuck - Planetary Level

Bruce Lee - Galaxy Buster

Nicholas Cage - Multiverse Buster

#33 Posted by UltramanPrime (60 posts) - - Show Bio

No creepypasta

realidad

#34 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by afueikawa (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge said:

Van Damme - City buster

Chuck - Planetary Level

Bruce Lee - Galaxy Buster

Nicholas Cage - Multiverse Buster

The heck with nicholas cage?

#36 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

@afueikawa said:

@ComicStooge said:

Van Damme - City buster

Chuck - Planetary Level

Bruce Lee - Galaxy Buster

Nicholas Cage - Multiverse Buster

The heck with nicholas cage?

#37 Posted by ALdragon17 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, dudes but no Art is superior to another. If you fellow Jeet Kune do, will explain it to you. For one, a kick boxer will use all his weight in kick leave him open to a attack or a power kick.If someone come at me with a round kick I might push to the side well moving back or step into his kick with both hands with guard and do my own clutch on him. If the Karate guy does mid round kicks to side or side kicks. The most power comes at the level at the hips and not at the face or the legs.

#38 Posted by GhostRider2 (3305 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damme would beat him to death.

#39 Edited by Iron_Turtle (583 posts) - - Show Bio

@AverageMan said:

@Bossmonster said:

@AverageMan So this is leading me to believe that you don't know much about Karate. I personally think CHuck would lose if they fought back then, however it's primarly based of what I've seen the two of them do. The demonstartions of speed and the like. Why are you going with Jean just because chuck knows Karate?

@robertloucksjr

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So why does Chuck win? I was b.s'ing in my first post, I'm actually going to give a more full response in a second. I thought this was going to become a joke thread because chuck was in it. Van Damn was an amazing fighter. Based on his record, there is little doubt that he could have gone much further if he didn't change is path.

I think you have an unrealistic perspective about martial arts. You are a joke if you are implying that I know little about Karate based ONLY on the differences I made on my previous post. THEY ARE BOTH DIFFERENT MARTIAL ARTS SPORTS. Karate concentrates on techniques and speed while Kick Boxing concentrates on endurance, strength and speed is also required especially for middle-weight Kick Boxers. That's why most women prefer Karate than Kick Boxing because it doesn't involve too much strength and endurance training. Kick Boxing is the most effective sport in self defense as well as Krav Maga. I have seen plenty of fights in the WCL between a man who has mastered Karate and a Man who has Mastered Kick Boxing who in fact won most matches than the Karate guys. That's why Chuck would lose this fight because his training didn't involve strength or endurance which is vital during a fight.

Without commenting on what I think you know, or don't know about Karate. If one is to compete and have any kind of success in any athletic pursuit. (Yes, I consider all variety of fightsports to be athletic pursuits.) Time and effort needs to be invested into lifting weights, and miles put in on the roads. And that's without counting the time spent on the mats.

And for your information. Chuck Norris' training did involve strength and endurance work. A significant amount of it. Or did you honestly believe that a Karateka who competed at Chuck Norris' level simply turned up at a dojo and practiced air kicks, punches, and kata all day long?

A person who practices kickboxing does not automatically have better strength, speed, and conditioning than a karateka simply based on the art that they study. These physical attributes are a personal thing and can be developed, or lost. Different people have different strengths and different limits in all of these areas regardless of their art.

After being in and around the fight game for the past 25 years (F*@k, I'm old.) I can confidently say the most effective art for self defence is always without exception what you know best. Anyone who says otherwise has just bought into the marketing hype.

TL:DR Chuck Norris for having better achievements.

#40 Edited by Bossmonster (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iron_Turtle:

Sir, you and I disagree on who would win this fight, but I respect you reason and believe exactly what you said there. Personally, after 15 years of martial arts study in different areas, I'm done telling forum know it alls and interent tough guys what martial arts is really about. You comment was short and to the point. Thanks for that.
#41 Posted by AverageMan (138 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iron_Turtle said:

@AverageMan said:

@Bossmonster said:

@AverageMan So this is leading me to believe that you don't know much about Karate. I personally think CHuck would lose if they fought back then, however it's primarly based of what I've seen the two of them do. The demonstartions of speed and the like. Why are you going with Jean just because chuck knows Karate?

@robertloucksjr

:

So why does Chuck win? I was b.s'ing in my first post, I'm actually going to give a more full response in a second. I thought this was going to become a joke thread because chuck was in it. Van Damn was an amazing fighter. Based on his record, there is little doubt that he could have gone much further if he didn't change is path.

I think you have an unrealistic perspective about martial arts. You are a joke if you are implying that I know little about Karate based ONLY on the differences I made on my previous post. THEY ARE BOTH DIFFERENT MARTIAL ARTS SPORTS. Karate concentrates on techniques and speed while Kick Boxing concentrates on endurance, strength and speed is also required especially for middle-weight Kick Boxers. That's why most women prefer Karate than Kick Boxing because it doesn't involve too much strength and endurance training. Kick Boxing is the most effective sport in self defense as well as Krav Maga. I have seen plenty of fights in the WCL between a man who has mastered Karate and a Man who has Mastered Kick Boxing who in fact won most matches than the Karate guys. That's why Chuck would lose this fight because his training didn't involve strength or endurance which is vital during a fight.

Without commenting on what I think you know, or don't know about Karate. If one is to compete and have any kind of success in any athletic pursuit. (Yes, I consider all variety of fightsports to be athletic pursuits.) Time and effort needs to be invested into lifting weights, and miles put in on the roads. And that's without counting the time spent on the mats.

And for your information. Chuck Norris' training did involve strength and endurance work. A significant amount of it. Or did you honestly believe that a Karateka who competed at Chuck Norris' level simply turned up at a dojo and practiced air kicks, punches, and kata all day long?

A person who practices kickboxing does not automatically have better strength, speed, and conditioning than a karateka simply based on the art that they study. These physical attributes are a personal thing and can be developed, or lost. Different people have different strengths and different limits in all of these areas regardless of their art.

After being in and around the fight game for the past 25 years (F*@k, I'm old.) I can confidently say the most effective art for self defence is always without exception what you know best. Anyone who says otherwise has just bought into the marketing hype.

TL:DR Chuck Norris for having better achievements.

I agree with almost everything you said except that I never said that karate didn't involve endurance and strength training and I never said that Chuck hasn't ever done any (I mean look at that guy). I said karate focuses mostly on technique and speed. Your physical attributes depends on what weight level you want to contest on (light weight, middle weight and heavy weight). I also didn't say that a kick boxer automatically wins a fight against a karate guy. In tournaments you see that people who've mastered karate usually lose against a man who've mastered kick boxing because most of them lacked in strength and endurance. I still think JCVD could beat Chuck Norris. I hope there'll be some sort of computer simulation that shows a fight between both of them.

#42 Posted by RazzaTazz (9638 posts) - - Show Bio

Have fun in the offtopic forum, keep non comic battles out of the battles forum.  

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#43 Posted by PowerHerc (83579 posts) - - Show Bio

Norris wins.

#44 Posted by satyrgod (2115 posts) - - Show Bio

At his prime, Chuck takes Jean-Claude.

Then he bends over his cute little Belgium ass, and...

#45 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

Van Damme.

#46 Posted by lagoon_boy (10952 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't the 18-1 JCVD record semi contact?

#47 Posted by HulkSlayerT1000 (1066 posts) - - Show Bio

@WaveMotionCannon said:

Chuck Norris beats brakes off Van Damme

this.

#48 Posted by krilling (2488 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge said:

Bruce Lee beats them both.

#49 Posted by Gyreg (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris never trained Karate, he trained Tang Soo Do which is known as Korean Karate, but it is not Karate it self. He is also 8th Degree black belt (Senior Master) in Taekwon-do ITF. He was a Karate champion 6 times, but he never trained any form of Japanese Karate.

In my opinion Chuck Norris would won because to hold the title of Karate champion for 6 years he really needed to be an amazing fighter, I think the only reason that he didn't try kick boxing is that it wasn't very popular in those days. The only advantage that Van Damme would have is his weight, but if they wear going to fight in the ring then van damme will probably lose some weight and Chuck would gain some to be in the same weight class. By watching lots of fights of both of them (most of them are from the movies, but still) I can see that Chuck Norris had much faster kicks and he really know what he is doing bacause he has a fighting stance and he is moving like in a real sparing while shoting his movie fights. Van Damme in his movies is not eaven trying to look like a real fighter, he is never trying to block his opponent atack, he is kicking super slowly and he is using the same kicking combo several times. Van Damme never achieved such an incredible thing as being a world champion 6 times so he was quite good for a short time, but he couldn't keep up. We will never finally find out who would won and we can't definitely say because we don't know this guys for real.

The truth is that: "You won't truly know someone until you fight them"

#50 Posted by AlexandraWallace (62 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Norris by using his left hand only lol