No. Either that or I'm very oblivious to it
is racism an issue where you live?
Yes, but its mostly because the blacks who live in the area get a little crazy from time to time. So people react by labeling all blacks that way. Not making it up. Where I live, virtually everyone in the service industry complains about black people, including people who I know aren't racist. I've heard the most complaints from other black people, because they can get away with saying stuff like that without penalty. We also have a lot of illegal immigrants who can't speak English and act very selfishly.
@nickras said:
Yes. A lot of hate against gypsies over here.
Basically none here in northwest tip of the united states.
Yes, actually it still was an issue there, to my surprise; I was lead to the Seattle area thinking that race was not an issue up there; my work environment was very racially hostile; it made so called professionals behave little better than junior high school children; they were trying to make it difficult for an Asian American director to manage the work facility and created a very hostile work environment for me, after I came at odds with laboratory management, after filing an EEO complaint; after I lost my government job and had to mingle with the public more for survival (e.g. this started when I knew my employment was coming short), I found it very discriminatory in that area; the so called employment lawyers were veiled racists and employment discrimination in terms of hiring was also prevalent; perhaps you live in Oregon; I also nearly got another chemist job in Oregon, until I was clearly blacklisted with a bad employment reference that cost me the job. I was honestly disappointed and rudely surprised by the environment in Seattle. I can say it's different from the Southeast United States, but the malicious results have the same impact; I can probably equate the Northwest with an arrogant type racism and the Southeast with a fading traditional type of racism, a sort of behind the times or old fashion type of racism; they just need to evolve into arrogant racism by becoming more educated as a whole. I next felt a bit of hostility toward me in the Oakland California area, while of a business trip; I couldn't tell it from San Francisco; Los Angeles and Palm Springs California seemed to be ok, for the brief time that I was in those areas.
@dshipp17: I live north of seattle actually, and I've got to say this shocked me. I always known it was worse in the city, but still. I'm sorry the northwest left a bad taste in your mouth. I will be the first to admit we are horribly arrogant up here, and pretty classist (If you had said you were discriminated because of a southern accent I wouldn't have been that surprised at all), but I've seen little actual racism. I have friends from the middle east, philippines, india, korea, japan, mexico, ghana, and russia, and none of them have ever been really discriminated against that they can tell.
Than again, I will admit, we are all college age, and haven't entered the work-force yet, so its possible its only an issue in that area. Again, I'm sorry you had a bad experience, I can guarantee not all of us are like that.
@dshipp17: I live north of seattle actually, and I've got to say this shocked me. I always known it was worse in the city, but still. I'm sorry the northwest left a bad taste in your mouth. I will be the first to admit we are horribly arrogant up here, and pretty classist (If you had said you were discriminated because of a southern accent I wouldn't have been that surprised at all), but I've seen little actual racism. I have friends from the middle east, philippines, india, korea, japan, mexico, ghana, and russia, and none of them have ever been really discriminated against that they can tell.
Than again, I will admit, we are all college age, and haven't entered the work-force yet, so its possible its only an issue in that area. Again, I'm sorry you had a bad experience, I can guarantee not all of us are like that.
Actually, I was a little north of Seattle too; I worked in Bothell/Mill Creek area of Washington; I did briefly stay in Lake Stevens Washington with my second line supervisor, when I first got there; the only place I really got to see there was his church; the people in the church seemed approachable, but my second line supervisor was a bit stand offish on the occasions we visited his church, he and his wife, and daughter; he even attended church at the very back in an upper balcony.
I actually only visited the actual Seattle on several brief occasions, but I was meeting with the attorneys, and the ones that I met were some of the wackiest people I knew both before and after the experiences; as a result, I felt it necessary to seek legal assistance in other parts of the country such as Washington DC; but, by the time I looked into Washington DC, I was already out of my job; but, walking through the city, getting to where I needed, I noticed that none of the people that I past even wanted to acknowledge my presence; I was referred to the attorney that I got, while employed, and he had a history of running rough shot over people, and ultimately did the same to me right at the time you most trust your attorney, during a hearing; and he was actually African American, but probably took a bribe from the Agency to cross me. The Washington DC attorney represented me with an unusually low retainer, but they all want to just gobble up your case and keep you out of the loop (e.g. both the Seattle area attorney and DC area attorney). When I lost my job, but was engaged in the start of my litigation, I was a bit south of Seattle near Olympia Washington in Kent Washington. I did most of my job searching in this area; but, the people in this range seemed to be quite similar in a cultural sense.
But, I'm currently in a good place in my lawsuit, better than any earlier time, and I hope to be back there soon, although it might be brief, because the stipulation of a settlement agreement that might have saved me requires that I be transferred to one of the laboratories in California that is by the federal government, after a 14 day period.
Racism towards "white minorities" is more common here, which is why I usually find comments about "whites should check their privileges" etc ironic.
So white privilege doesn't exist because of a few negative comments against white people?
'scuse me, but what exactly are white privileges? As far as all laws go there is none. Can you blame the white person for the "gangsta" culture of black people? or the poor backgrounds of the immigrants? Do you claim there are not overly privileged black people? Do you for instance say Chris Evans has more privileges than Will Smith?
Racism towards "white minorities" is more common here, which is why I usually find comments about "whites should check their privileges" etc ironic.
So white privilege doesn't exist because of a few negative comments against white people?
Right? The world is what it is. Own it - good with the bad, bad with the good. I live in the heart of the Deep South (USA). Moved here a year ago from a much more diverse urban environment. People here are super polite, more polite than where I came from, but the racial tensions are visible. Somebody said that it's "fading racism", but that isn't quite accurate. PUBLIC RACISM is what's fading. But in hiring practices, the housing market, and even the white flight from the public schools in my Southern city, the racism is indeed there. People complain about Blacks here too, but honestly, been here a year and I don't see what they're talking about. The crime rate here is nothing - a drop in the bucket - and people here still act like Blacks here (who are a small fraction of the population) are as bad as those Bikers in Waco who murdered nine people in a gun battle.
Freaking hilarious.
@dshipp17: That is more or less where I lived, and all of that sounds about right. We definitely have inequality and discrimination, but not much if any of it is racial in me and my friends' experiences.
Like I said, people here are very classist, and the upper class (I don't doubt anyone who could employ a chemist would view themselves as upper class) are very entitled and stand offish. The social landscape is also extremely political and cliqueish, so I'm not surprised you got blacklisted if you crossed the wrong person.
And not going to lie, I didn't know that it wasn't normal to completely ignore random people on the street and have them ignore you. I can guarantee you that has nothing to do with your race, that's just life here. Its kind of nice actually, peaceful. No one is judging you if they don't see you, so it makes a good escape from drama.
As for the attorneys, I think its pretty fair to say that no matter where you go, attorneys are a pretty poor representation of any population, and from what I understand they are pretty sleezy no matter where you are.
I wish you the best in your case! I'd offer you a place to stay during your trip if I were in a position to, but I'm kinda couch surfing myself at the moment.
Racism towards "white minorities" is more common here, which is why I usually find comments about "whites should check their privileges" etc ironic.
So white privilege doesn't exist because of a few negative comments against white people?
'scuse me, but what exactly are white privileges? As far as all laws go there is none. Can you blame the white person for the "gangsta" culture of black people? or the poor backgrounds of the immigrants? Do you claim there are not overly privileged black people? Do you for instance say Chris Evans has more privileges than Will Smith?
Gangsta culture of black people? And what exactly would that be?
And white privilege isn't strictly economics. While Will Smith may have class privilege, he doesn't have racial privilege. It's called intersectionality.
@benk111: it's always a issue everywhere you go
Southern Ontario, Canada. (yes there are more than just white people in Canada)
Can't say I've ever heard of there being any huge problem here. My dad's white and my mom's Asian. There are plenty of Asian people in my town. And there are loads of Middle-Eastern people here, too. I used to work with hundreds of them at a call center. Not usually Arab, mostly Persian Iraqis, Lebanese, and a few Pakastani people.
Here in Palmdale? Not that I'm really aware of. i suppose if I were to snoop around the local junior high schools I'd probably hear or see somethings, but then again that's just stupid kids being stupid kids.
Racism towards "white minorities" is more common here, which is why I usually find comments about "whites should check their privileges" etc ironic.
So white privilege doesn't exist because of a few negative comments against white people?
I'm sure Jews, Irish, Polish, Gypsys and a few others could claim they've gotten more than a "few negative comments".
Racism towards "white minorities" is more common here, which is why I usually find comments about "whites should check their privileges" etc ironic.
So white privilege doesn't exist because of a few negative comments against white people?
'scuse me, but what exactly are white privileges? As far as all laws go there is none. Can you blame the white person for the "gangsta" culture of black people? or the poor backgrounds of the immigrants? Do you claim there are not overly privileged black people? Do you for instance say Chris Evans has more privileges than Will Smith?
Gangsta culture of black people? And what exactly would that be?
And white privilege isn't strictly economics. While Will Smith may have class privilege, he doesn't have racial privilege. It's called intersectionality.
Are you seriously asking me what is the gangsta culture? Are you acting like it doesnt exist? Let me explain. It is a tendency among black people to glorify a criminal lifestyle. It is a subtype of rap culture even. Calling themselves pimps and literally gangstas. It has come to the point where "OG" is a big compliment. Given, that only exists in a relatively poor societies. But there is a glorification of violence in the rap culture. Just check out rap battles for instance. They talk about the drive by they have been in, guns they have and people they shot. Whether they did it or not doesnt matter because i am talking strictly about glorification of crime.
So, what exactly are privileges Chris Evans has and Will Smith doesnt. I didnt chose them because they are rich. I chose them because they are famous. So pls. Explain. List the privileges.
I saw a video the other day that made me a tad mad
White guy and black guy both open carry a firearm. The white guy gets stopped, checked out and let on his way while griping the whole time about his freedom etc... Then the black guy doing the same thing gets an officers gun aimed at him for 5 minutes along with a bunch of backup, a canine unit, and finally gets arrested. While I don't really like open carry, this is troublesome.
@chimeroid: They're not glorifying it, simply reflecting on what they been through
And most black people aren't gangsters.
And of course rap battle are all about guns and such. Its to diss your opponent so of course you will try to come off as tougher.
Chris Evans is less likely to deal with poloce brutality or being pulled over by a cop for driving a fancy car.
Chris Evans isn't going to have to deal with higher bank loans because he's white
Chris Evans is going to have an easier time buying a house than Will Smith.
The roles Chris Evans plays in movies won't be seen as stereotypical compared to Will Smith.
If Jaden and Willow get in trouble, more pressure is put on Will as a black father rather than Chris Evans. Due to the stereotypes of absentee black fathers, Will has to be a perfect father to tarnish that image
These are just a few examples of white privilege. It's how society operates even if not under law.
@maccyd: Clearly we are talking about America
And even in in the world you would still find less cases of that happening.
The OP said where a person lives and there are many users, including myself from Europe. Gypsies are generally treated like **** no matter where they are in the world, Eastern Europeans are heavily discriminated against across Europe, The Irish were treated similar to Islamophobia in Britain until recently and Northern Ireland speaks for itself.
I'm not sure why you struggle to accept that there are places, such as where Iive, that being a Gypsy or Polish means you're more likely to be discriminated against than being Black or such.
Racism is pretty bad in other countries as well. America is just the one who mostly gets singled out.. I remember watchin a soccer match that was in a country in Europe, and the fans were throwing bananas at the black players.. Even the ones on the team they were rooting for!
The only racism where I live arises around the Traveller Community. They're generally viewed as trash and there isn't much integration between the communities. It generally arise from fear of thievery, fear of animal abuse, fear of violence (they are very hardy people), or disgust at bare-knuckle boxing, which is perceived as barbaric, or distaste of their weddings, their views on sex and relationships, they clothing of the women and their courting practises, or even their appearance.
@maccyd: But when I made my original comment about white privilege I was referring to America as that's where the term is primarily used.
Which is why I claimed it was ironic when Americans and such use "check your privileges because you're white" against general strangers on the internet, as racism and such is different around the world.
@chimeroid: They're not glorifying it, simply reflecting on what they been through
Oh really?
This is from 2 Pacs song:
Little Ceasar go ask you homie
How I'll leave you
Cut your young ass up
See you in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't fuck around with real G's
Quick to snatch your ugly ass, off the streets
Seriously. That is only one example. And i took it because 2 Pac is one of the most influential rappers ever. I can find 100s of song that glorify violence, rape and murder.
And most black people aren't gangsters.
I agree with that. Never said they were. My point is that they tend to idolize gangsters and try to act dangerous. 29% of African Americans end up in jails. And you cant say that is because cops like to bother them more they have had to break some laws first. And they do that, partly, because they idolize the gangster subculture.
And of course rap battle are all about guns and such. Its to diss your opponent so of course you will try to come off as tougher.
Ye, diss your opponent with sentences like: "You aint gangsta" and calling themselves "Original Gangsta (OG)" is in no way glorifying gangster culture
Chris Evans is less likely to deal with poloce brutality or being pulled over by a cop for driving a fancy car.
So you are saying there is a chance a police will EVER actually hit Will Smith? Bullsh*t. Neither one of them will ever have to deal with police brutality and you know it.
Chris Evans isn't going to have to deal with higher bank loans because he's white
That is an other lie. Right now you are saying that Will Smith has worse bank offers because he is black? That is a straight out LIE.
Chris Evans is going to have an easier time buying a house than Will Smith.
No, they will have the same time. Take out the money and buy a house. Do you have any proof to back that up?
The roles Chris Evans plays in movies won't be seen as stereotypical compared to Will Smith.
Will Smith doesn't play stereotypical roles since he was a kid. He has a wide area of roles and he does every one of them perfectly. If a black guy gets a career by doing a black guy humor sketch like Martin Lawrence he can expect bullshit roles. But otherwise stereotypical roles are for people that are... "something" meaning - Fat, Skinny, Nerdy, Jocky, Evil looking, Superhero looking, Midget etc.
If Jaden and Willow get in trouble, more pressure is put on Will as a black father rather than Chris Evans. Due to the stereotypes of absentee black fathers, Will has to be a perfect father to tarnish that image
I don't think anyone puts extra pressure on Will to be a better father. If not, we are begging him to stop trying to promote Jaden.
These are just a few examples of white privilege. It's how society operates even if not under law.
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