Is piracy ok if you have good intentions?

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I'm between jobs right now, and as such I'm missing out on HUGE amounts of comics and events going on in the Marval and DC universes. I could always just download the issues for now and purchase them later, but that just doesn't sit well with me.
 
I remember a long time ago, I had heard about a movie. I downloaded it illegally to check it out. Turns out, it was one of the best movies I've ever seen. As soon as I had the money, I bought it on Blu-Ray. But does that make the initial download "okay"?  
 
What are your opinions?

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#1  Edited By InnerVenom123

No, it does not make it "okay" that you got the pirated copy. Buy the rental and buy the finished film. Piracy is stealing.

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#2  Edited By BaldursFate

It's only a crime if you get caught.

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#3  Edited By Donnieman v5.1

A sin in the name of goodwill is still a sin.

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#4  Edited By King_Saturn
download it... then delete that sh!t after you use it... aint nothing wrong with that in the eyes of my God... :P   
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#5  Edited By Sparda

For the sake of your conscious, delete it within 24 hours.
 
No harm done! :D :P

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#6  Edited By Primmaster64
@King Saturn said:
" download it... then delete that sh!t after you use it... aint nothing wrong with that in the eyes of my God... :P   
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#7  Edited By Krakoa
@BaldursFate said:
" It's only a crime if you get caught. "
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#8  Edited By RedK
@vaultboy said:
" I could always just download the issues for now and purchase them later,
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#9  Edited By Green Skin

If you delete them after reading, then you're no worse then the guys that just read the issues at the store.   

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#10  Edited By courtney12490
@Donnieman v5.1 said:
" A sin in the name of goodwill is still a sin. "
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#11  Edited By BaldursFate

In all honesty I think if you do intend to eventually buy them, no harm no foul. Otherwise a lot of talented people put a lot of work in to them, and your basically taking money out of their pockets.

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#12  Edited By joshmightbe

if he still buys them anyway then no harm done noone losses money and he still gets his copy 

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#13  Edited By DH69

if you want gold and rubies and a cool eye patch YOU GO OUT AND BE A PIRATE MOTHER****ER, I SALUTE YOU!!!!!

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#17  Edited By rogue_mar1e

nothing wrong with piracy in my eyes...

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#18  Edited By Precise
@Sparda said:
" For the sake of your conscious, delete it within 24 hours.  No harm done! :D :P "
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#19  Edited By umbrafeline

its perfectly okj to bootleg something if you have good intentions. 
 
i sometimes buy bootleg films from a guy at my local flea market fr $5/film. sometimes they are good quality w/ some minor inperfections, sometimes they are just plain awful.
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#21  Edited By rbysjti
@InnerVenom123 said:
" No, it does not make it "okay" that you got the pirated copy. Buy the rental and buy the finished film. Piracy is stealing. "
Let's inform them that the OP is stealing. Joke!",)
 
But yeah, if you actually have money to buy, then don't download it illegally.
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#22  Edited By spiderpigbart

Technically, if you don't sell it, it isn't that bad.

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#23  Edited By ironshadow
@Green Skin said:
" If you delete them after reading, then you're no worse then the guys that just read the issues at the store.    "
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#24  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

It's funny how our generation really doesn't see this as a crime.  We all grew up with it and all of our peers were doing it...And getting away with it.  Yet if you get caught, the punishment (in cost) is well beyond attempted murder LOL

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#25  Edited By Gylan Thomas

Just download the comics and don't be such a ladyman about it :P
 
I dont get the "good intentions" aort though.
What are you gonna show the comics to underpriviliged kids?

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#26  Edited By Manchine

I have to say the only things I have downloaded and watched/listened are from my old Cassette tape that I have already bought.  I did watch Kung Foo Panda to make sure it was ok for sunday school kids to watch when we went to see it.

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#27  Edited By gotjoe11

Well if you're having financial problems I guess it's not a big problem downloading the issues on the net ( if you buy them after), but the bad thing in this is that you're encouraging the ones who put these files on the internet and those who actually never buy...but just download.
 
But seriously, who hasn't downloaded more than a 1000 songs on the internet??? haha

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#28  Edited By John Valentine

No.

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#29  Edited By Captain13
@Gylan Thomas said:
" Just download the comics and don't be such a ladyman about it :P  I dont get the "good intentions" aort though. What are you gonna show the comics to underpriviliged kids? "
LMAO!
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#30  Edited By Cezar_TheScribe

It depends if you're downloading something that is rare and can only be found on a file sharing site. 
  
Sometimes it is not bad, but with the cost of most things I can't blame anyone who uses those sites. 
 
Comics are priced to high right now and so is the comic magazines and they have cut down on their page count without a price cut. 
They are scam artist.  So, download to your heart's content. 
  

 
 
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#31  Edited By scourgexlvii

I'd probably say no, for all occasions, because most of the things people end up downloading are things they could buy on their own, even if they don't want to have to spend money on it, and that's just wrong. The only times I can see it as less wrong (still wrong, mind you, just less) are three things: 
 -1) You would never (Not just probably not, but never) buy it if piracy never existed, for whatever reason (Money, availability, ect) 
-2) You not just intend to buy it afterword, but will. Both of these are a slippery slope however, as its easy to say after the fact that you wouldn't buy it, or that now that you used it, you realize it's not worth buying. 
-3) It is something incredibly rare, and the only reason anyone wants to buy it is rarity, rather than for its intended use, like if you can find antique comic scans on the internet, its less wrong, since it's not worth the small fortune the comic is worth to read it, if that's all you want it for. Again, this can be contended by the large amount of collected volumes that contain reprints of these valuable comics, for this example, or 'movie collections' or 'song collections' for those mediums. 
 
Though just because it's wrong, doesn't mean you can't do it. Just don't have any delusions of altruism. 
 
Also, things like music and such, are also less 'wrong' in the sense of the creators not getting their due, since artists rarely get any significant percentage of their record sales, hence why they must do tours, and sell overpriced concert merchandise. Again, still wrong, but it's damaging the more parasitic producers than the artists, so don't feel too bad. Don't feel like you're doing any good, but don't beat yourself up over it.

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#32  Edited By Cherry Bomb

I always pay for movies!
When I pay for a movie, I feel really proud of myself! that I have atleast contributed a little to it's success.
 
I watched Twilight 2 times, New Moon 3 times and Eclipse 2 times (but planning on seeing it more!)

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#33  Edited By Chaos Burn

Just become a Catholic... they forgive anything! and i mean anything

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#34  Edited By scourgexlvii
@Cherry Bomb said:
" I always pay for movies!
When I pay for a movie, I feel really proud of myself! that I have atleast contributed a little to it's success.
 
I watched Twilight 2 times, New Moon 3 times and Eclipse 2 times (but planning on seeing it more!) "
*insert snarky comment about my soul dying a little inside, at the mere mention of someone supporting twilight*
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#35  Edited By Korg
@aztek the lost said:

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#36  Edited By Cherry Bomb
@scourgexlvii said:
*insert snarky comment about my soul dying a little inside, at the mere mention of someone supporting twilight* "
*inserts comment about how Twilight is one of the most successful movie franchises ever and that hating it doesn't make you all 'individual' and plus, it's getting old.
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#37  Edited By Lance Uppercut

From a technical standpoint, so long as you're not pirating it to distribute it to others, it's not really that bad. Just ask the seven gigs worth of music I have on my hard drive.

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#38  Edited By Vrakmul
@Donnieman v5.1 said:
" A sin in the name of goodwill is still a sin. "
Don't worry, simple belief in Jesus as the "messiah" is a go to heaven free pass if you are a christian, going to Jerusalem to touch a big block of stone does the same if you are a Muslim, but with the shenanigans airliners pull, you're better off going by boat.  Jews have it hardest though, since you must obey all 613 commandments without fail or Yahweh gives you the boot.  
 
:P
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#39  Edited By NexusOfLight
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @scourgexlvii said:
*insert snarky comment about my soul dying a little inside, at the mere mention of someone supporting twilight* "
*inserts comment about how Twilight is one of the most successful movie franchises ever and that hating it doesn't make you all 'individual' and plus, it's getting old. "
*inserts comment because he feels left out*
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#40  Edited By Vrakmul
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @scourgexlvii said:
*insert snarky comment about my soul dying a little inside, at the mere mention of someone supporting twilight* "
*inserts comment about how Twilight is one of the most successful movie franchises ever and that hating it doesn't make you all 'individual' and plus, it's getting old. "
I'd be fine if twilight didn't call those things they had vampires, which essentially poop on every vampire trope ever.  Bram Stoker is spinning in his grave as we speak. 
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#41  Edited By scourgexlvii
@Dreadnaught said:
" @Cherry Bomb said:
" @scourgexlvii said:
*insert snarky comment about my soul dying a little inside, at the mere mention of someone supporting twilight* "
*inserts comment about how Twilight is one of the most successful movie franchises ever and that hating it doesn't make you all 'individual' and plus, it's getting old. "
I'd be fine if twilight didn't call those things they had vampires, which essentially poop on every vampire trope ever.  Bram Stoker is spinning in his grave as we speak.  "
I'm spinning in my grave... wait... that didn't come out right... Twilight ruined my attempt at writing. I was trying to write a vampire book, but anyone who I tried talking to about it always compared it to twilight, even though it is nothing like it. I tried forever to try and differentiate it to people, but the connections (Book with teen female protagonist, and male supporting Vampire... that's it. No romantic angle, no other connections) are apparently too much to overlook... Not to mention I had the idea before Twilight was even published [/miniragerant] 
 
but I digress: I have no problem with the book/movie franchises. It's not my thing, but the worst part of it is that it has made vampires popular for all the wrong reasons.
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#42  Edited By danhimself

Is beating hookers ok if you have good intentions?

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#43  Edited By Korg
@danhimself said:
" Is beating hookers ok if you have good intentions? "
Only if you don't leave any marks.
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#44  Edited By hdorman1
@Korg said:
" @danhimself said:
" Is beating hookers ok if you have good intentions? "
Only if you don't leave any marks. "
a sweet Valencia oranges  
doesnt leave a mark 
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#45  Edited By Korg
@hdorman1 said:

" a sweet Valencia oranges  doesnt leave a mark  "

A sack of sweet Valencia oranges - they won't leave a bruise, and they'll let 'em know who's boss. There's no doubt about it.
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#46  Edited By vaultboy
@Gylan Thomas: as a matter of fact...!  :P
 
No, I meant that I really do want to support the people that entertain us so much. They're the reason we're on this site, and they deserve a decent living off of it. My point was that if I download the comics now but pay for them later, no one gets hurt. I'm still totally on the fence about this one. I'm a musician, and people downloading my music for free (not that anyone even cares enough to do *that*) doesn't make my rent any easier to pay. It's nice to know people care, but I can't take that to my landlord as payment. 
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#47  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@vaultboy said:
" @Gylan Thomas: as a matter of fact...!  :P No, I meant that I really do want to support the people that entertain us so much. They're the reason we're on this site, and they deserve a decent living off of it. My point was that if I download the comics now but pay for them later, no one gets hurt. I'm still totally on the fence about this one. I'm a musician, and people downloading my music for free (not that anyone even cares enough to do *that*) doesn't make my rent any easier to pay. It's nice to know people care, but I can't take that to my landlord as payment.  "
It all kinda depends really.
If you're wallet's empty for a long time and you downloaded a lot of four colour entertainment would you really purchase every issue you read?
If you really feel conflicted about it probably best not to download.
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The question is bigger that most of you understand, Twiligth is made in a very horrible way, is a Hallmark Tv movie and still they sell you that as a real movie, then they take money from you. 
The new Wolverine movie, they dont care about the CGI and they sell you a product that have problems.
I think to say Piracy, child porn or killing show how many people is mad in this world, still less people care about child porn and killing, is a crime yes, but face it, since the movie,comic, music and all thee ntreteiment industry sucks so hard, mean they only care about your money and for the same they dont care about you, then you actually could breack the deal that they made with you about give you good things for your money.

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#50  Edited By scourgexlvii
@Truex: I think he was using the comparison to describe how piracy is more cared about than the other two, because the industry is money grubbing SOBs, and instead of trying to make the product better, and thus, worth paying for, they choose to make a big deal about piracy, and thus, you would have to pay for the inferior product, since they make such a big deal about pirating the products that aren't worth it.