Is Obama one of the best presidents of all time?

I hate both parties, I came into Obama's term think how great this was going to be. 1) We got abreak from republicans, 2) We got an african-american as president which means we got over the damn stereotypical racism America is known for. 4 years have passed, but now I'm hoping for change some other way.

Nope but he's not one of the worst either.

HELL no, he spends more time golfing and flying around than he does actually doing his job

No he's about average he just looks better because of the president he followed. Think of him as a band at a festival who had another far sh*ttier band come before it who the crowd hated, and they'r just elated that his band isn't as offensively terrible as the last. So basically Obama following Bush is the same as an average quality band following Nickelback

@Gatman50 said:

HELL no, he spends more time golfing and flying around than he does actually doing his job

That's every president. Bush spend 1/3 of his term on vacation.

@jinxuandi said:

You can't properly judge a president's place in history until 40-50 years after his term is over. Until then there is too much bias (whether for or against) and the long-term effects and context of his presidency are not known. Just look at Clinton. The Republicans all claimed he was one of the worst presidents ever during his term, but as more time has passed even they admit that his presidency was a period of prosperity for the U.S.

I agree with this statement.

No.

NO....

Definitly not.

Obama is forcing Health Insurance on everyone rather they can afford it or not and if we get caught not having it. We get panalized for it.... Millions of people in this country cannot afford it and I guess Millions will be going to prison...

Yet you wanna think hes the best president?

What A Joke.

No. He's not. He comes in at the third best since I have been voting (which has been since the mid-70's)

F@ck yes he is!

-Yours truly a Brit

Mxyzptlk is clearly the greatest President our nation's ever elected.

he did get rid of the smell of stupid bush left behind

@mikethekiller: @Gatman50: @Stevens61310: @inferiorego: What makes a good president? What do you expect of him? How has any president changed your life for the good or bad?

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

He's the in-betweener.

he's gay?

In 2008 I owed the Federal government $94,442 (and if you are an American that pays taxes so did you)

As of today September 7, 2012 I owe the Federal government $140,036 (and if you are an American taxpayer so do you)

Since Sept 7, 2008 the Federal deficit has increased by just at 6,000,000,000,000 more in one term than in all terms combined.

So actually when it comes to putting this country so far in debt than it is impossible to ever see the light of day, yes Barack Obama is THE BEST President of all time.

NO!

I don't know if he's one of the best presidents ever, but he's definately one of the best speakers imo.

@SHAZAM117 said:

I don't know if he's one of the best presidents ever, but he's definately one of the best speakers imo.

This is true. Well as long as his teleprompter is working.=)

In 2008 I asked some friends of mine why didn't Dennis Haysbert run for President? He has an extremely sonorous voice and actually portrayed the President in 24 so he did have some experience. =)

No. But he is top 20 imo

hm you can't expect change to happen so fast, change takes time and I think he's a good president. Not the best.

@kuonphobos: To be fair we we already had a deficit of 8 trillion before he took office and due to Bush being the first president in history to actually loose money on a war we won (Historically winning a war tends to be good for the economy) Obama was pretty much set up to fail on a spectacular scale.

@Stevens61310 said:

No. He's not. He comes in at the third best since I have been voting (which has been since the mid-70's)

I received your message and nothing was wrong with it. I don't vote. Never have. I just wonder how people judge "how good a president is". There are so so many different criteria. I only blame Bush for the war. as for the economy, America as a whole outsources jobs. Americans choose not to learn a specialized skill. The reason America outsources is because Americans are so greedy that it's cheaper to set up shop over seas. I can't blame one man for that. I would prefer to see Obama win again. But if Romney wins, would we see any difference?

@joshmightbe said:

@kuonphobos: To be fair we we already had a deficit of 8 trillion before he took office and due to Bush being the first president in history to actually loose money on a war we won (Historically winning a war tends to be good for the economy) Obama was pretty much set up to fail on a spectacular scale.

Actually Obama "inherited" a 10,000,000,000,000 debt which was certainly growing because of the wars I agree. BUT it has still increased by 6,000,000,000,000 under his watch and will grow exponentially in 2014 when the Health Care Law goes into effect. I'm not saying that Romney/Ryan will make any difference in this. I was just stating raw data.

@kuonphobos: Romney will make a difference he'll make it worse be further deregulating American companies that are already dissecting the nations economy by outsourcing jobs to nations that are cool with slave wages.

@joshmightbe said:

@kuonphobos: Romney will make a difference he'll make it worse be further deregulating American companies that are already dissecting the nations economy by outsourcing jobs to nations that are cool with slave wages.

I'm pretty sure I said that I wasn't sure if Romney/Ryan can make any difference. In fact I am willing to say that they might make it worse. That is not the title of this thread however. The rapid growth of the Federal Government into this gargantuan monolith that has is tentacles in an ever growing majority of our lives is for me the stuff of Orwellian nightmare. In the face of that, potential deregulation is the lesser of two evils.

There are fundamental changes coming to global politics. The West's standard of living may be unsustainable and in my opinion morally questionable in the face of the rest of the world. Should these changes come fast, with a shift like revolution, or a slow "progressive" ( chide intended) creep, a monolitic "Big Brother" State will be quite terrifying.

@kuonphobos: I don't really support Obama I'm just saying I'd rather Obama stay and continue to accomplish nothing than Romney come in and finish us off

@joshmightbe said:

@kuonphobos: I don't really support Obama I'm just saying I'd rather Obama stay and continue to accomplish nothing than Romney come in and finish us off

That's problematic because what I have been trying to argue is precisely that Obama isn't just doing nothing. By growing the Federal Government to such an extent our freedoms and our future are placed in jeopardy.

Are you familiar with the concept of "imminent domain"?

@kuonphobos: Yes and that's something I'm conflicted about because I don't like the concept but with Obama at least it'll be used for roads and things we actually need where as Romney is one of the politicians that supports using imminent domain to force you to sell your property to businesses. I would hate to loose my house for a road but I absolutely refuse to loose my house to a damned Wal-Mart.

Do you have a reference that Romney supports ID?

I would hate to lose my house period! I cling to my guns (and religion) so I can at least put up a fight! =)

Weird, when I first googled ID to check the spelling I found a legal dictionary and verified the spelling BUT I must have looked in the wrong place and have been spelling it wrong. It should be Eminent Domain and I should have known that. Oh well.

Romney: Governor Romney Strongly Opposes The Taking Of Private Property For Private Development. Governor Romney believes that the Kelo property rights case was wrongly decided. You know, the Supreme Court made an error in judgment on this one. You know, I understand the purpose of eminent domain, to make sure that when roads need to be built, or public purposes are involved, that private property can be taken when there's fair compensation. But to basically say a mall developer could get eminent domain to take away peoples' homes, that is not a good idea. The liberals on the Court made a mistake on this, and we're going to have to get a Court that's willing to stand by the rights of property owners

Source: www.mittromney.com (12/04/2007)

Hell no...

The polar opposite if anything imo.