Is it okay to kill someone in act of defense..... ???

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#1  Edited By MagneticShockwave

Ok, I just read this http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic/5/father-of-kidnapped-son-gets-revenge/641821/#9 posted by @Cort 
 
It brings up an important question, especially towards women and kids... 
 
If a Serial Killer Rapist pre-meditated kidnapping and enslaving a kid or woman OR MAN for sexual desires and empowerment and plans on killing them later, would the victim's moral value prevent them from saving themselves even if it meant killing your captor and soon-to-be killer? 
 
 
In another perspective, would it be moralistically wrong to protect yourself in this matter of pushing yourself into beast-mode and kill just to live? 
Would that NOT be justice if that victim kills his or her predator???????? 
 
 
 
 
 Or would you deny justice served when the victim kills their predator???? 
 
 
I wonder this, because some people here say that when a predator dies, it is not justice.

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#2  Edited By Chaos Burn

Killing should always be a last resort.... but I know that if there was a guy putting my girlfriend or family in danger, I would try and kill them with my bare hands.

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#3  Edited By Dracade102

There is never any justice that comes from killing. In some cases your just choosing the lesser of two evils... However it could/should be condoned if it is by the means of survival in an example like one of the ones listed above... But afterwards the near-victimized person should do the right thing and call for help and explain what happened instead of attempting to get away with murder... That's about as fair as it can be in the case of self defense like that...

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#4  Edited By SC  Moderator

Well thing with morality I find is that it gets pretty easy the more simple things are and things get pretty simple when one can discern certainty. Like if I was the victim in the scenario, if I had opportunity to just injure the attacker, thats what I would prefer to do. If it was a friend? I'd want them to go for the sure fire way of getting themselves out of their safely - so I am applying discretion.  
 
Personally I am less competent in beast mode than I am in thinker mode. So I wouldn't have to push my self to that mode to increase my chances of survival. I thus do not want one small moment of justice (relatively) I want justice for all.  
 
So I am one who thinks when a predator dies, it is not justice, not true justice, not the type I strive for as a human. A type of justice sure, its just that predators aren't born, babies don't kill people, people experiencing life and other people who end up ignorant, selfish, mentally distressed or ill to certain levels, or trained to, etc etc  kill people. Some of those predators victims themselves before they were predators and so a cycle is created. So to me, to get justice, you need to think deep, and go deep and not just cover things with a band aid. 

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#5  Edited By Deranged Midget

There are many ways to avoid murder/death in a conflict. It shouldn't be someone's first option.

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#6  Edited By HughJass

There are a lot of factors involved so there is no definitive answer, I haven't taken a law class in a few years so I can't recall them at the moment.

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#7  Edited By DoomDoomDoom

When it comes down to kill or be killed than I don't think one can be morally wrong for fighting for life rather than accepting death.

I would say if the predator dies it is justice, but once the predator has been removed from society and is no longer a true threat to it's not justice to take his life then.

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#8  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

I believe it's ok to kill someone because they wrote a terrible comic, so self-defence is a pretty damn good reason in my book.

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the way I see it is this, and I think any sane person in a developed country can agree on this. the few justifiable reasons to kill are, self defense, protect your family or friends, or at war for your nation. the other reasons, I can't say because some will disagree with a thing called capital punishment.

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#10  Edited By CATPANEXE

Right with SC here. When your actually in a moment, when your then is now, especially when you untrained and this experience is not habitual, anything that was in notion immediately fades away and yourself as a person slides into an entirely different mode of being, one that's somewhat outside definitions. In retrospect that doesn't conclude right or wrong, but pretty much makes it moot either way.

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#11  Edited By cyberninja

Yes I would and then sleep like a baby. 

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#12  Edited By ARMIV2

In self-defense of yourself or others, yes.

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#13  Edited By PowerHerc

@MagneticShockwave: It would be quite alright to kill someone under the circumstances you state.

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Good points.

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#16  Edited By RainEffect
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
I believe it's ok to kill someone because they wrote a terrible comic, so self-defence is a pretty damn good reason in my book.
Bendis comes to mind?
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#17  Edited By Shadow_Thief

If it's me or him, it's going to be him, morality and legality be damned.

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#19  Edited By Magian

Look if you run out of options and killing is the only option left, then yeah it is ok for me.

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#20  Edited By nefarious

Yes.

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#21  Edited By TheGoldenOne
If you have no other choice? Yeah. Is it good? No, but it's necessary.
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#22  Edited By ApatheticAvenger

If it's a "you or them" situation, particularly in a time of war, then the choice is obvious.

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#23  Edited By ssejllenrad

What if I'm doing the killing and he's making the self-defense? Is that ok? Nyehehehehe! Peace!