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#101 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

If the allies hadnt won the war would probably still be going on, Russians would never submit to Germany also this article ignores the fact that America only picked a side in the war because Hitler's allies attacked us. If Japan hadn't hit peral harbor we would have kept doing what we were doing and then try to work with whoever won.

#102 Posted by DanteTheRedKnight (114 posts) - - Show Bio

You're leaving the impression that Judaism is bad and is as bad as Communism? I'm sorry but that's anti-semitic. I'm against Israel's policies and am often called an anti-semite which is stupid because I oppose a country's policies which could be changed and not a religion. But this is seriously wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself.

#103 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: Heh , it's funny because behind spiderman is smoke and fire and if you're supposed to be spidey in this picture it implies that the only way you can win this argument is by killing me. I suggest you stop because you're sinking lower with every post.

or maybe i used the pic because it says i won the argument nice attempt at over analyzing a meme i found on google to try to comeback at me in a clever way which btw you failed at

#104 Posted by consolemaster001 (4979 posts) - - Show Bio
#105 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio
#106 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17605 posts) - - Show Bio

@inlife said:

@consolemaster001:

Just a quick question..:

Do you know how to post a correctly working gif on this new site? I have tried but I can't do it.

Drag them into the post reply box it works for me.

#107 Posted by consolemaster001 (4979 posts) - - Show Bio
#108 Posted by Reignmaker (2233 posts) - - Show Bio

So we'd have different assholes running things instead of the current assholes? Cool.

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#109 Posted by Vortex13 (12223 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001 said:

@kingjames447: Ok, now you're just being flat out ridiculous. Are you 12 ?

No, you didn't. You insinuated that he was a Neo-Nazi when he has already stated that he does not admire or agree with what the Nazi regime did. His beef is with the totalitarian communist dictatorships that were quite evil themselves, I disagree with his belief of the world being a better place without communism and that it wouldn't exist if the Nazi's had won. Calling someone a neo-nazi in any situation is wrong.

Concolemaster, insulting others in a debate always make's your point's seem less valid.

This thread has kind of devolved from a debate to just a flame war and I think it should now be locked.

#110 Edited by TotalBalance (724 posts) - - Show Bio

Where would civil rights be at if America had sided with Racist/Homophobic/Anti-Semitic/hate mongering Nazis? You can sure as hell bet that they wouldn't be where they are today!

#111 Edited by consolemaster001 (4979 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13: Thanks, i insulted him because i thought it was essential but fair point.

#112 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13: lol the neo-nazi thing was a joke i mean what do you expect when you hear if hitler won the war the world would be a better place to live he must have forgot that not only blond and blue eyed people live in this world...

#113 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

No the World would be a worse place.

The Nazis didnt just try & exterminate the jews but targeted also the most innocent good hearted folk in the world & thats the Down Syndrome suffers.

Wot does that tell u about this people?

#115 Edited by Vortex13 (12223 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: The Axis still wouldn't have won the war even if we hadn't joined. Russia was dominating them before and they were loosing too many planes to the British. The idea that America was the saving grace of WWII is not true. Unfortunately the US history books haven't been revised to show the other nations successes and victories, from when the history of Russia's (honestly) heroic efforts against the Germans and the key victories they scored. Estimates say that the Russian's lost 9,000,000 to 14,000,000 soldiers in the war. That's not accounting civilian deaths which would bring the total casualties for Russia closer to 30,000,000. Russia lost more people than any other nation involved in the war. The total number of US casualties doesn't even reach half a million. The USSR was a totally evil nation with tons of blood on their hands, but in WWII? They were f##king heroes.

#116 Posted by DanteTheRedKnight (114 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001: Oops I'm sorry. I didn't notice you weren't FOR the argument of the World being a better place if we sided with Nazi Germany. In other words, I meant James Miller.

#118 Posted by Vortex13 (12223 posts) - - Show Bio

@edamame: Oh yeah I understand the aid part. The problem is though (I'm not saying you) that in most American history classes you learn very little about other nations involvement in WWII, except that we were the deciding factor of the war when we joined the actual fight. Which is not necessarily true. Germany was suffering big time, and I'm not talking about forces or military power. I mean basic resources like food. The British blockade definitely was an effective tactic against Germany, but of course they were literally letting people starve to death, not just soldiers but the civilians themselves.

#120 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13 said:

@joshmightbe: The Axis still wouldn't have won the war even if we hadn't joined. Russia was dominating them before and they were loosing too many planes to the British. The idea that America was the saving grace of WWII is not true. Unfortunately the US history books haven't been revised to show the other nations successes and victories, from when the history of Russia's (honestly) heroic efforts against the Germans and the key victories they scored. Estimates say that the Russian's lost 9,000,000 to 14,000,000 soldiers in the war. That's not accounting civilian deaths which would bring the total casualties for Russia closer to 30,000,000. Russia lost more people than any other nation involved in the war. The total number of US casualties doesn't even reach half a million. The USSR was a totally evil nation with tons of blood on their hands, but in WWII? They were f##king heroes.

This is true, also as more things are discovered about the Axis by historians the more it seems like dumb luck was responsible for Germany's success. Japan was the only part of the Axis that had a majority of competent officers. Italy was a joke and Germany was using mostly outdated weapons and the ones that were new usually turned out to be more dangerous to the people firing them than to their enemies. Germany itself only had about 3 generals that were actually qualified for their jobs and they usually only succeeded when they ignored Hitler's instructions.

#123 Edited by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

@edamame: They did have some good weapons I was just pointing out that other than the tanks and U boats most of their military equipment was complete crap.

#125 Posted by Nefarious (18803 posts) - - Show Bio

There are no words...no words...to describe the IGNORANCE in the OP. No words!

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#126 Posted by laflux (14299 posts) - - Show Bio

@edamame said:
@joshmightbe said:

They did have some good weapons I was just pointing out that other than the tanks and U boats most of their military equipment was complete crap.

Certainly true!

They kept stealing Russian ppsh 41 SMG's from captured Russian Regiments, because they were surprised at how effective they were. Most of the Good German Weapons were being crafted when the war was being lost, such as the V-1 and V-2, as well as the STG-44 (widely regarded as being the first Assault Rifle).

Damn all of this talk about WW2 weaponry makes me want to play World at War......

#128 Posted by Extremis (3334 posts) - - Show Bio
#129 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

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#130 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (17605 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@edamame said:
@joshmightbe said:

They did have some good weapons I was just pointing out that other than the tanks and U boats most of their military equipment was complete crap.

Certainly true!

They kept stealing Russian ppsh 41 SMG's from captured Russian Regiments, because they were surprised at how effective they were. Most of the Good German Weapons were being crafted when the war was being lost, such as the V-1 and V-2, as well as the STG-44 (widely regarded as being the first Assault Rifle).

Damn all of this talk about WW2 weaponry makes me want to play World at War......

Since we are talking about weaponry in World War 2

"The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 meters and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat The Germans sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle. This was done by shortening the standard 7.92x57mm cartridge to 7.92x33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.The result was the Sturmgewehr 44."

MP44 - Tyskland - 8x33mm Kurz - Armémuseum.jpg

#131 Posted by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Those didn't come into wide use until the war was almost over though so they really weren't around long enough to make a huge difference.

#132 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17605 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Those didn't come into wide use until the war was almost over though so they really weren't around long enough to make a huge difference.

I am fully aware of that just thought it was worth mentioning as all.

#133 Edited by joshmightbe (24691 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Basically Germany didn't come up with anything that could really help until it was pretty much too late.

#134 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17605 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Basically Germany didn't come up with anything that could really help until it was pretty much too late.

Just thought it was worth mentioning because it paved the way for other assault rifles.

#135 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

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#136 Posted by judasnixon (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Hey! Give me my llama back! That's my llama! No good mother F-ing llama thief........

#137 Edited by frogdog (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

#138 Edited by cameron83 (6696 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Wow the person who wrote this article is an ignorant fool. I could spend time refuting what he has said but I really dont feel like it. But I will just say he is an idiot and people who might agree with this article need to think why they do like really,really think about it.

this...so much this.

I just adore how society (in general,and other ones) think that just because you have a title in front of your name (or anything like that,such as P.H.D,or Doctor,etc) that somehow that makes what you say accurate...because by no means is that necessarily true and there are plenty of people who have those titles and are incredibly ignorant and flat out wrong....in fact the ignorance couldn't be more astounding,yet simply because they have a title in front of their names some people foolishly believe them.

Also,wouldn't there be a large amount of other factors involved (maybe even unexpected ones that can't really be taken into account/predicted) that will have a domino effect that can lead to a far different outcome.

#139 Edited by cameron83 (6696 posts) - - Show Bio
@innersuperman said:

nothing like the smell of nonsense conservative babbling in the morning.

What do conservatives have to do with anything?

I don't even remember the guy stating that he was conservative.....not only that,but this doesn't really have anything to do with them,as I stated above.

I mean,serious bias much? At least say what you think on the article...please,with rainbows and cherries on top (never forget the cherries).

#140 Posted by Vortex13 (12223 posts) - - Show Bio

The only good thing that could happen from the Axis powers winning is leather fetish gear and gimp suits becoming formal wear.

#141 Edited by Pyrogram (35143 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting article to see it from the other side.

#142 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

An interesting article i found:

If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today

By James Miller, PhD

Legendary U.S. General George S. Patton realized late in the war that the United States fought the wrong country. Patton felt the U.S. should have sided with Germany to destroy Jewish Bolshevik/Communist USSR. This information comes from Patton's diary entries, letters he wrote to his wife, and comments he made to military officers and staff.

If Hitler had won World War II

and then exercised a German 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World

(just as the United States/International Jewry has done since the end of WWII) we'd have a more just, fair, and moral Western World today. The rest of the world would have similarly benefited had the Germans been victorious.

Had Hitler won World War II, what would be different in the post war world? Here are a few examples:

1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

2 - No cold war (because there would be

no USSR)

3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)

9 - No Communism anywhere

(Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

10 - Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)

11 - No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering "tools" which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

12 - No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each Western nation's liberal immigration policy, as most were orchestrated by the World Jewish Congress)

13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)

14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")

15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)

17 - No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians

18 - Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

1. HAHAHAHA Hitler would have "LIBERATED" the USSR???? No he would have murdered millions of innocent Russians who he considered inferior. In fact the 2nd largest number of people in Concentration Camps were Russians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union#Civilian_losses

2. If the Nazis won WW2 there wouldn't be a Cold War because the entire civilized world would be terrorized by the Nazi animals

3. It would have instead fallen to a similar evil Fascism, I would even say more people would die under them because the Nazis viewed Eastern Europeans as inferior.

4. Mao would have still won. The Nationalist Chinese were busy fighting the Japanese and the Communists still would have gained strength. The only way they wouldn't have won is if Japan beats China in the long run and then there wouldn't be a Mao, but there also wouldn't be a free China.

5. Instead a Japanese Vietnam.

7. Instead the Japanese would abuse the Koreans as sex slaves and murder them like they had been doing during the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atrocities

9. You repeat the same point so many times.

10. There is nothing wrong with Multiculturalism and Liberalism. In Fact they aren't inventions of Jews and both have their roots in the enlightenment and the French Revolution.

13/14. Who the hell cares??? All the stuff has disclaimers and it is only through looking for the stuff that anyone can find this so called "Filth"

15. There needs to be a separation of Church and State and I am a Christian

17. Lets not get into Palestine because so much of it is anti semitic BS.

18. No they would not. They would all be "DEAD" if Hitler succeeded innocent people would have been destroyed.

I SINCERELY HOPE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THIS SHIT BECAUSE FRANKLY THIS BULLSHIT INFURIATES ME SO MANY PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY HITLER IN A WAR HITLER STARTED AND TO JUSTIFY IT IS ASININE AND INSTANTLY MAKES ME LOSE ALL RESPECT FOR YOU AS A HUMAN BEING.

#143 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: No America was clearly supporting Britain in the fight against Hitler with money and supplies. We would have eventually fought Nazi Germany and Japan (especially with Japan so mad at us about oil).

#144 Edited by jloneblackheart (5499 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just hate speech and Holocaust denial from a known member of Stormfront (a white power website). Chances are his credentials are fraudulent, but at a minimum he has PhD in ignorance. To find it "interesting" in the least allows Dr. Ignorance to spread his twisted viewpoint with you.

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