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#51 Edited by Vortex13 (12250 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13: Are you trying to give me a bad image so you could have your little debate ?

Why are you bringing up japans treatment of POW's ? That is an irrelevant subject and i never said japan was good. China would be under japanese occupation and mao wouldn't succeed. And i meant that James Millers study was not cool because it was riddled with bias.

I'm not trying to make you look bad at all. I'm just curious where you are coming from. I am genuinely trying to have a civil debate, I meant no insult and I apologize if it seemed I was trying to make you look bad

I know you never said Japan was good. However I do believe Japan's treatment of POW's is relevant to this subject. I just don't think you can discuss what possible good things may have come from their victory without discussing the bad things that would have happened as well. It's two sides of the same coin so to speak.

Ahh I see. I apologize for my lack of understanding of your statement.

I would still like to know why you believe communism to be so evil, because again I do not think you can discuss the possible good without discussing the potential bad.

#52 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam:

1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

2 - No cold war (because there would be

no USSR)

3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)

9 - No Communism anywhere

(Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

1. Okay. We still most likely would've had an issue with Hitler. Do you honestly think with all the land he would've had, that he wouldn't have possibly thought of attacking the USA?

2. There still could've been an event related to the Cold War.

3. Don't see why that matters. Whole point of the Iron Curtain was to hide the actions going on in the USSR, correct? Honestly, no one would've thought that Hitler wouldn't be hiding things? He would've been doing hidden actions, just without the Iron Curtain.

4. Not really explaining the favorable conditions. The intent still would've been there, and as far as I know Mao still could've pulled people in. Unless this is further explained.

5. No debating that.

7. Is that a good thing? Not having a split? Couldn't that be taken into two different directions?

8. Probably some support I'd imagine.

9. Doubtful.

The rest seems like jew hating bull-shit.

So this guy is pretty much saying The Axis winning would just the world? We'd still have issues. It wouldn't be a perfect world, or a better world. Infact, I'd personally think there'd be more war.

I'm not saying an expert, but for what I did take of history, I did excell in it. I personally disagree with the man. And the jew hate makes me feel like he is a nazi almost, holy hell.

#54 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13: It's cool. I personally think communism only sounds good on paper and impossible to apply without some modifications (that's why there's leninist stalinist trotskyist).

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#55 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13:

However I do believe Japan's treatment of POW's is relevant to this subject.

lel Maruta, but americans says it didn't happen

#56 Posted by INLIFE (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001:

Just a quick question..:

Do you know how to post a correctly working gif on this new site? I have tried but I can't do it.

#57 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio
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#58 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@inlife: I had the same problem sorry i don't :(

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#59 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

There wouldn't have been a Cold War, but there likely would have been an insanely deadly escalating war.
Even assuming the best I am really against most of the Nazi era Germany's policies, especially the obvious stuff most take issue with.

So really for me it seems more like it would have been a lose/lose if the U.S sided with Germany.

#60 Edited by INLIFE (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

@inlife: I had the same problem sorry i don't :(

Crap. I can not stress my response enough without a gif. :(

Thanks. I am currently trying to figure out alternatives to fix this problem.

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#62 Posted by judasnixon (6584 posts) - - Show Bio

Next on Comic Vine..... How America would be a better place if the South had won the Civil War, and if we still had slaves.......

#63 Edited by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Next on Comic Vine..... How America would be a better place if the South had won the Civil War, and if we still had slaves.......

I think there's a book about that somewhere, although it doesn't really go for the "better" angle.

Lord knows there's a lot of what if stories about the Nazi's winning WW2.

#64 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

I stopped giving this guy any credit when I realized he was antisemitic.

#65 Posted by RDClip (1129 posts) - - Show Bio

Goes to show that sexist, racist facists are not only cousin-screwing rednecks, but also cousin-screwing PhDs. I hate the idea that some ultra-conservatives have that since Communinism is bad, America should support facist dictatorships. Facism, by it's very difinition is opposed to everything America is supposed to stand for; you know those things politicians always like to talk about: rights and freedom.

If anyone thinks that if the Nazis won the war, they would have stopped killing, is an ignorant idiot. They would have finished off the Jew, gypsies, and gay people. Then would have turned to other people. The Nazis would have killed or enslaved everyone until there was nothing but white aryan people left. The Nazis where the most evil faction in modern times, there is no situation in which them winning WWII would have produced a good world to live in for most people.

And I friggen hate the idea that being politically correct and tolerant is some kind of artifical creation. It's called being a decent human being and not a sexist, racist piece of human garbage.

#66 Posted by Backflip (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to go out on a limb and say James Miller PhD is a anti-semantic nazi ;)

#67 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio
#68 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: don't shoot the messenger. Oh and watch the language

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#69 Posted by judasnixon (6584 posts) - - Show Bio

I Know I shouldn't do this, but I really can't help myself......... Yo James Miller PhD if some how you forgot already, let us multicultural A-holes remind you to........

#70 Edited by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001: I call it like it is.

I'm asking if you believe it yourself. Care to answer?

#71 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: Well Lt.Tango. If you must now i already answered that question.

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#72 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

looks like we have a neo-nazi on comicvine...

#73 Edited by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001: oh yeah? I must've missed it. Mind telling me where you stand? Go on now don't be shy. Stand proudly behind your beliefs.

#74 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7829 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting article. Can't say that I agree, but nonetheless it was a decent read.

No need to get butthurt about it, tho. lol.

#75 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: @kingjames447: Are you talking about me ? I hope not.

I've told you people a thousand times i don't agree with this.

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#76 Posted by laflux (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow the person who wrote this article is an ignorant fool. I could spend time refuting what he has said but I really dont feel like it. But I will just say he is an idiot and people who might agree with this article need to think why they do like really,really think about it.

The over-all premise of the article and what its trying to portray is wrong, but Stalin was a tyrant and a horrible one at that. He pretty much abandoned the economic polices of his predecessor Lenin (Who actually had socialist and capitalist ideas working simultaneously- the NEP), who didn't want him their in the first place. He led a terror state, in which millions of Ukrainians were willingly starved to death in order to trade grain for technology. Men who were captured in WW2, where shot if they managed to make it back to home lines because as far as Stalin was concerned, you were only captured if you didn't fight hard enough to be killed outright.

One thing I will say is that the article, apart from being hilariously Anti-Jew, also applies a hilariously broad stroke when referring to Communism. No country has never really been Communist. Marx said the the communist revolution would be started by the Proletariat in highly developed countries (Germany, France, U.K). Communism first took hold in the Russia, which was one of the least developed countries in Europe. Mao's China was led by the peasantry. Communism as a purest concept demand equal representation. When Lenin held elections after the Russian Revolution, the Social Revolutionaries won convincingly- Lenin ignored the results and continued ruling anyway. All we've seen in the 20th century is tightly State-Led Capitalism, buttressed by restricted Human Rights- acting under the guise of communism.

Now with that being said

You should know by now to expect random lolz whenever I post something.

#77 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: @kingjames447: Are you talking about me ? I hope not.

I've told you people a thousand times i don't agree with this.

well the only people who think if axis won the world would be a better place are neo-nazis and also you're avatar also doesn't help much either...

#78 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7829 posts) - - Show Bio

@judasnixon said:

Next on Comic Vine..... How America would be a better place if the South had won the Civil War, and if we still had slaves.......

I think there's a book about that somewhere, although it doesn't really go for the "better" angle.

Lord knows there's a lot of what if stories about the Nazi's winning WW2.

Theres a documentary about it. It's stupid. But I reckon some folks would get a good laugh out of it.

#79 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio
#80 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: There's an iOS game called world conqueror 2. It's a strategy game that centers around ww2 my avatar is its icon. That general could be german, russian or american how can you know. If you find a comment where i say " If Hitler won the world would be a better place." I'll give you a million dollars. In the future make sure you're 100% cerrain before accusing sombedy of being a neo-nazi. احمق

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#82 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: There's an iOS game called world conqueror 2. It's a strategy game that centers around ww2 my avatar is its icon. That general could be german, russian or american how can you know. If you find a comment where i say " If Hitler won the world would be a better place." I'll give you a million dollars. In the future make sure you're 100% cerrain before accusing sombedy of being a neo-nazi. احمق

trust that is a german and the title of this thread is "If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today" ill take my million dollars through paypal thank you

#83 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (18042 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Wow the person who wrote this article is an ignorant fool. I could spend time refuting what he has said but I really dont feel like it. But I will just say he is an idiot and people who might agree with this article need to think why they do like really,really think about it.

The over-all premise of the article and what its trying to portray is wrong, but Stalin was a tyrant and a horrible one at that. He pretty much abandoned the economic polices of his predecessor Lenin (Who actually had socialist and capitalist ideas working simultaneously- the NEP), who didn't want him their in the first place. He led a terror state, in which millions of Ukrainians were willingly starved to death in order to trade grain for technology. Men who were captured in WW2, where shot if they managed to make it back to home lines because as far as Stalin was concerned, you were only captured if you didn't fight hard enough to be killed outright.

One thing I will say is that the article, apart from being hilariously Anti-Jew, also applies a hilariously broad stroke when referring to Communism. No country has never really been Communist. Marx said the the communist revolution would be started by the Proletariat in highly developed countries (Germany, France, U.K). Communism first took hold in the Russia, which was one of the least developed countries in Europe. Mao's China was led by the peasantry. Communism as a purest concept demand equal representation. When Lenin held elections after the Russian Revolution, the Social Revolutionaries won convincingly- Lenin ignored the results and continued ruling anyway. All we've seen in the 20th century is tightly State-Led Capitalism, buttressed by restricted Human Rights- acting under the guise of communism.

Now with that being said

You should know by now to expect random lolz whenever I post something.

Yeah true. And Stalin was a tyrant he had an extreme case of paranoia and constantly thought people were conspiring against him. Also one can only wonder how many unknown mass graves there might still be out there from the people he had executed.

Wow yes you are exactly right about that you took the words right out of my mouth. Communism has never truly been introduced in a country. And I am not sure how well it would work. Marx was certainly right about alot of things as well. I am not a communist but I do agree with some of the points he made.

Ha ha true.

#84 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447 said:

@consolemaster001 said:

@kingjames447: There's an iOS game called world conqueror 2. It's a strategy game that centers around ww2 my avatar is its icon. That general could be german, russian or american how can you know. If you find a comment where i say " If Hitler won the world would be a better place." I'll give you a million dollars. In the future make sure you're 100% cerrain before accusing sombedy of being a neo-nazi. احمق

trust that is a german and the title of this thread is "If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today" ill take my million dollars through paypal thank you

Haaaaaaaaaa

#85 Posted by Extremis (3350 posts) - - Show Bio
#86 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: that is the name of the article written by James Miller. It's not my own personal thought. идиот

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#87 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: хахаха....заткнись

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#88 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: that is the name of the article written by James Miller. It's not my own personal thought. идиот

but you are implying you agree with it and if you are going to call me an idiot have the balls to at least say it in english

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#90 Posted by InnerSuperman (858 posts) - - Show Bio

nothing like the smell of nonsense conservative babbling in the morning.

#91 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: So you change your argument when proven wrong, which is fine.

But know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I never gave the slightest hint that i agree with this article the only thing i agreed with, was that the tryannical communist countries like the USSR and red china would cease to exist. I suggest, hell i INSIST that you read every single one of my comments and lay down the evidence that supports your claim. I flat out said to @mrdecepticonleader that this is riddled with bias and that i don't agree with it. Oh and i almost forgot -----> Idiot.

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#92 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: So you change your argument when proven wrong, which is fine.

But know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I never gave the slightest hint that i agree with this article the only thing i agreed with, was that the tryannical communist countries like the USSR and red china would cease to exist. I suggest, hell i INSIST that you read every single one of my comments and lay down the evidence that supports your claim. I flat out said to @mrdecepticonleader that this is riddled with bias and that i don't agree with it. Oh and i almost forgot -----> Idiot.

i never changed my argument you agree that jews should have exterminated so its fine if we had no war i mean who doesn't want to live in a world where an army of nazis patrol the streets for jewish,blacks,hispanics,etc to kill and put in concentration camps and yea the holocaust was exaggerated i mean who cares about the millions of familys that were brutally killed in front of each other right?

#93 Posted by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: Ok, now you're just being flat out ridiculous. Are you 12 ?

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#94 Edited by consolemaster001 (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis: At least i know the difference between your and you're.

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@kingjames447: Heh , it's funny because behind spiderman is smoke and fire and if you're supposed to be spidey in this picture it implies that the only way you can win this argument is by killing me. I suggest you stop because you're sinking lower with every post.

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