Actually, the only people allowed to hunt marine mammals in the U.S. are certain Native American tribes like the Inuit, and it is heavily regulated (small quotas, etc.) .
However, Canada, Greenland, Norway, Russia, and Gambia still allow seal hunting.
I suppose we shouldn't mention Cows in India and how those "foreign people" won't even eat them, the vegetarian teachings of the Buddha and the Jains, etc.
What's really scary is the :"fake/faux fur" that you see in the clothing store may actually be the fur you're seeing yanked off these animals in this video, or from dogs and cats treated the same way.
"Foreign people don't give a sh#t about animals.They use them for profit and nothing more..That video is disturbing though."
*considers this to be a bad time to mention he is a foreign people*"
Where you from?"
umm...Canada"
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Pania said:
"I suppose we shouldn't mention Cows in India and how those "foreign people" won't even eat them, the vegetarian teachings of the Buddha and the Jains, etc.
What's really scary is the :"fake/faux fur" that you see in the clothing store may actually be the fur you're seeing yanked off these animals in this video, or from dogs and cats treated the same way.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
yeah but theres a point to were i take it
the reason i dont eat fish
is cause i saw my dad kill my pet fish when i was a kid and i didnt like it
and thats why i dont like kfc or most of the fast foods because i saw the slaughter houses for the things
and take a look at this man its grosssssssss.......
"Foreign people don't give a sh#t about animals.They use them for profit and nothing more..That video is disturbing though."
I think this sentence could of been been expressed better than categorising all foreign people with the same intent. And just for the record I come under foreign people.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
Beating up or to death any animal for IT's FUR, BONES, and other goods ARE EQUIVALENT to beating an Old Lady to Death just for her Pearls.
They aren't even going to eat it. They beat it to death just for Fur!? For goodness sakes just Final Flash it, and eat it. And be greatfull to it, that it gave you power.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
yeah but theres a point to were i take it
the reason i dont eat fish
is cause i saw my dad kill my pet fish when i was a kid and i didnt like it
and thats why i dont like kfc or most of the fast foods because i saw the slaughter houses for the things
and take a look at this man its grosssssssss.......
"
What the!?
Well what about the Tomatoes and the Onions??? Poor Onions we slaughter those things everyday but we don't cut them up and then throw it way.. We eat it under most occasions.
The Oranges and Apples. Aren't they Alive? Yes, but they are meant to be eaten by us. They are apart of the Food Chain.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
yeah but theres a point to were i take it
the reason i dont eat fish
is cause i saw my dad kill my pet fish when i was a kid and i didnt like it
and thats why i dont like kfc or most of the fast foods because i saw the slaughter houses for the things
and take a look at this man its grosssssssss.......
"
What the!?
Well what about the Tomatoes and the Onions??? Poor Onions we slaughter those things everyday but we don't cut them up and then throw it way.. We eat it under most occasions.
The Oranges and Apples. Aren't they Alive? Yes, but they are meant to be eaten by us. They are apart of the Food Chain.
"
okaywelll from what i was tought
eating meat was discovered by oopsies
a cave man was like blah blah hunted an animal and then a piece of meat fell in the fire that was keeping him warm
i dunno why he did it but he put it in his mouth and spreded the word
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY."
I watched the video but what i'm saying is...yes it is cruel to skin it alive while it was still breathing and blinking...I would even go far as to say it's wrong to kill the dog for it's fur...but this is no comparison to beating an old lady down and robbing her....old women don't have any defense at all.At least the raccoon dog has claws and teeth.It's not the same thing.What they did is wrong but you can't compare it to beating down and old women.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
yeah but theres a point to were i take it
the reason i dont eat fish
is cause i saw my dad kill my pet fish when i was a kid and i didnt like it
and thats why i dont like kfc or most of the fast foods because i saw the slaughter houses for the things
and take a look at this man its grosssssssss.......
"
What the!?
Well what about the Tomatoes and the Onions??? Poor Onions we slaughter those things everyday but we don't cut them up and then throw it way.. We eat it under most occasions.
The Oranges and Apples. Aren't they Alive? Yes, but they are meant to be eaten by us. They are apart of the Food Chain.
"
okaywelll from what i was tought
eating meat was discovered by oopsies
a cave man was like blah blah hunted an animal and then a piece of meat fell in the fire that was keeping him warm
i dunno why he did it but he put it in his mouth and spreded the word"
Meat gives protein. It's a part of the food chain. Same thing with fruits and vegs.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY."
I watched the video but what i'm saying is...yes it is cruel to skin it alive while it was still breathing and blinking...I would even go far as to say it's wrong to kill the dog for it's fur...but this is no comparison to beating an old lady down and robbing her....old women don't have any defense at all.At least the raccoon dog has claws and teeth.It's not the same thing.What they did is wrong but you can't compare it to beating down and old women."
I guess the fact the animals skin was ripped off with no sedation or anything means nothing?. OK look at it this way, have you ever broke or fractured a bone, burned yourself, torn a tendon or sprained your wrist or ankle. ok Imagine that pain and amplify it by a billion. the fact is its skin was ripped of. its not like getting a hair cut but like having all your nerves going on overdrive. and they knew full well that it was alive and struggling, in the background i can hear laughing. muggin an old lady is bad and there is no justification for that but this is the same. would you like to have your skin ripped of while u can feel everylittle bit of it. Maybe your thinking that the old lading is getting beat down by a baseball bat or suttin but still thats not like she's getting skinned alive isit. she may suffer from sever traumer, blood loss, internal bleeding and inevitably death but the pain she feels and the psicological effects is what makes these two things as bad as each other. its been established that animals feel emotions like humans and this animal is probably wondering what it did to deserve such pain. raccoon dogs are related to demesticated dogs (not raccons) and its more than likely that domestic dogs are being skinned in the same manner as this so would you feel the same way if it was your pet dog getting skinned alive? this is the same as an old woman being beaten up because raccoon dogs are being killed in the millions like this every year. they could just as easy throw them in a box full of co2 to kill them like they do in european countries, which leads to a painless death because the animal runs out of oxygen and fall asleep. its cheep and effective and it doesnt harm the fur. anyway regardless of what method used it all come down to consumer demands and people out there can see this yet they still like the feel of fur on their jacket. Oh and just to let you know, these animals live their whole life in a small cage and through the bars of the cage they can see their relatives being skinned. They are small and young and obviously not big or strong enough to take on a human by itself, let alone a human with a tool in his hand. They can hardly defend themselves and even if they try do you honestly think that it will help them? Claws and teeth dont mean nothing when theres no way of effectively utilising them. Don't get it twisted, evil is evil. Anyway stay blessed,
I guess the fact the animals skin was ripped off with no sedation or anything means nothing?. OK look at it this way, have you ever broke or fractured a bone, burned yourself, torn a tendon or sprained your wrist or ankle. ok Imagine that pain and amplify it by a billion. the fact is its skin was ripped of. its not like getting a hair cut but like having all your nerves going on overdrive. and they knew full well that it was alive and struggling, in the background i can hear laughing. muggin an old lady is bad and there is no justification for that but this is the same. would you like to have your skin ripped of while u can feel everylittle bit of it. Maybe your thinking that the old lading is getting beat down by a baseball bat or suttin but still thats not like she's getting skinned alive isit. she may suffer from sever traumer, blood loss, internal bleeding and inevitably death but the pain she feels and the psicological effects is what makes these two things as bad as each other. its been established that animals feel emotions like humans and this animal is probably wondering what it did to deserve such pain. raccoon dogs are related to demesticated dogs (not raccons) and its more than likely that domestic dogs are being skinned in the same manner as this so would you feel the same way if it was your pet dog getting skinned alive? this is the same as an old woman being beaten up because raccoon dogs are being killed in the millions like this every year. they could just as easy throw them in a box full of co2 to kill them like they do in european countries, which leads to a painless death because the animal runs out of oxygen and fall asleep. its cheep and effective and it doesnt harm the fur. anyway regardless of what method used it all come down to consumer demands and people out there can see this yet they still like the feel of fur on their jacket. Oh and just to let you know, these animals live their whole life in a small cage and through the bars of the cage they can see their relatives being skinned. They are small and young and obviously not big or strong enough to take on a human by itself, let alone a human with a tool in his hand. They can hardly defend themselves and even if they try do you honestly think that it will help them? Claws and teeth dont mean nothing when theres no way of effectively utilising them. Don't get it twisted, evil is evil. Anyway stay blessed,
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY."
I watched the video but what i'm saying is...yes it is cruel to skin it alive while it was still breathing and blinking...I would even go far as to say it's wrong to kill the dog for it's fur...but this is no comparison to beating an old lady down and robbing her....old women don't have any defense at all.At least the raccoon dog has claws and teeth.It's not the same thing.What they did is wrong but you can't compare it to beating down and old women."
I guess the fact the animals skin was ripped off with no sedation or anything means nothing?. OK look at it this way, have you ever broke or fractured a bone, burned yourself, torn a tendon or sprained your wrist or ankle. ok Imagine that pain and amplify it by a billion. the fact is its skin was ripped of. its not like getting a hair cut but like having all your nerves going on overdrive. and they knew full well that it was alive and struggling, in the background i can hear laughing. muggin an old lady is bad and there is no justification for that but this is the same. would you like to have your skin ripped of while u can feel everylittle bit of it. Maybe your thinking that the old lading is getting beat down by a baseball bat or suttin but still thats not like she's getting skinned alive isit. she may suffer from sever traumer, blood loss, internal bleeding and inevitably death but the pain she feels and the psicological effects is what makes these two things as bad as each other. its been established that animals feel emotions like humans and this animal is probably wondering what it did to deserve such pain. raccoon dogs are related to demesticated dogs (not raccons) and its more than likely that domestic dogs are being skinned in the same manner as this so would you feel the same way if it was your pet dog getting skinned alive? this is the same as an old woman being beaten up because raccoon dogs are being killed in the millions like this every year. they could just as easy throw them in a box full of co2 to kill them like they do in european countries, which leads to a painless death because the animal runs out of oxygen and fall asleep. its cheep and effective and it doesnt harm the fur. anyway regardless of what method used it all come down to consumer demands and people out there can see this yet they still like the feel of fur on their jacket. Oh and just to let you know, these animals live their whole life in a small cage and through the bars of the cage they can see their relatives being skinned. They are small and young and obviously not big or strong enough to take on a human by itself, let alone a human with a tool in his hand. They can hardly defend themselves and even if they try do you honestly think that it will help them? Claws and teeth dont mean nothing when theres no way of effectively utilising them. Don't get it twisted, evil is evil. Anyway stay blessed,
Peace"
Nice words, but i hope you're not refering the word "you" as "Me" because I was simply stating that:
"beating any animal to death is equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds."
IS showing that "Hunters" would do anything for profit.
I'm not in any way comparing the PAIN between the animal and the Old Lady. It has no relevance to the metaphor I was applying to. No Relevance what so ever.
Thanks for posting this video... I was watching a program about fur last night and I was thinking about this animal cruelty tape we watch in one of my university lectures and this video shows many of the clips from the tape. Its a shame that some humans still cant grasp the concept of humanity. Stay blessed,
I had to stop the video within the first few minutes of it starting... I dont even have words for this. I've always been very big on Animal Conservation and that just breaks my heart. I admit there are countries out there that are a bit more primitive in their acts then those of us in places like the US, Canada, UK, and several other countries. But there is no reason for that. I just dont know what to say....
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
"
No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
"
I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY."
I watched the video but what i'm saying is...yes it is cruel to skin it alive while it was still breathing and blinking...I would even go far as to say it's wrong to kill the dog for it's fur...but this is no comparison to beating an old lady down and robbing her....old women don't have any defense at all.At least the raccoon dog has claws and teeth.It's not the same thing.What they did is wrong but you can't compare it to beating down and old women."
I guess the fact the animals skin was ripped off with no sedation or anything means nothing?. OK look at it this way, have you ever broke or fractured a bone, burned yourself, torn a tendon or sprained your wrist or ankle. ok Imagine that pain and amplify it by a billion. the fact is its skin was ripped of. its not like getting a hair cut but like having all your nerves going on overdrive. and they knew full well that it was alive and struggling, in the background i can hear laughing. muggin an old lady is bad and there is no justification for that but this is the same. would you like to have your skin ripped of while u can feel everylittle bit of it. Maybe your thinking that the old lading is getting beat down by a baseball bat or suttin but still thats not like she's getting skinned alive isit. she may suffer from sever traumer, blood loss, internal bleeding and inevitably death but the pain she feels and the psicological effects is what makes these two things as bad as each other. its been established that animals feel emotions like humans and this animal is probably wondering what it did to deserve such pain. raccoon dogs are related to demesticated dogs (not raccons) and its more than likely that domestic dogs are being skinned in the same manner as this so would you feel the same way if it was your pet dog getting skinned alive? this is the same as an old woman being beaten up because raccoon dogs are being killed in the millions like this every year. they could just as easy throw them in a box full of co2 to kill them like they do in european countries, which leads to a painless death because the animal runs out of oxygen and fall asleep. its cheep and effective and it doesnt harm the fur. anyway regardless of what method used it all come down to consumer demands and people out there can see this yet they still like the feel of fur on their jacket. Oh and just to let you know, these animals live their whole life in a small cage and through the bars of the cage they can see their relatives being skinned. They are small and young and obviously not big or strong enough to take on a human by itself, let alone a human with a tool in his hand. They can hardly defend themselves and even if they try do you honestly think that it will help them? Claws and teeth dont mean nothing when theres no way of effectively utilising them. Don't get it twisted, evil is evil. Anyway stay blessed,
Peace"
Nice words, but i hope you're not refering the word "you" as "Me" because I was simply stating that:
"beating any animal to death is equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds."
IS showing that "Hunters" would do anything for profit.
I'm not in any way comparing the PAIN between the animal and the Old Lady. It has no relevance to the metaphor I was applying to. No Relevance what so ever.
"
My post was not directed towards you but towards Loaded Revolver who clearly thinks that skinning an animal alive can be justified by the level of which the animal comes in the evolutionary tree. sorry for any misunderstanding.
"i dont care i would beat the hell out of those guys even if it was legal and if cops where they lived try to take me in i rather take a bullet because i bet their jails are probaly horrible"
There are better ways to act against things of this sort. Resulting to violence wont solve it. You have to start a movement against it, make the animals plight known, show that there are no reason for this needless abuse of them, and get other people who think the same as you on board for it.
I didnt watch the whole video, I couldnt. But reading the comments I can tell that the way the animals died were just as bad as the methods they used to stun them. No creature should have to go through that, and as much as I wish I could just shoot all those people, It wouldnt solve anything. WE as people are better then that. Some of the human race may be a disgrace, but we have to help them understand what they are doing is wrong. And still even then it may not work because the power of money is more corrupting then anything.
Because the power of money is so corrupting what we can do is stop wearing fur (it turns out even stuff labeled "faux fur" in the clothing store may in fact be the fur you see taken in this video), stop buying the clothing of designers, etc. that use fur, and encourage other not to use or buy fur in any form.
Hit them where it hurts: In the wallet. If there is no industry, there is none of this.
You have a good point Pania, and I myself dont were anything fur, faux or not. BUT that will not stop it. Sure we can stop wearing fur, but what about all those millions of other people who think fur is the way to be a Fashionista or something like that. They will not stop no matter what we do. They will still wear it to spite those of us who are trying to be activists for these poor creatures.
"You have a good point Pania, and I myself dont were anything fur, faux or not. BUT that will not stop it. Sure we can stop wearing fur, but what about all those millions of other people who think fur is the way to be a Fashionista or something like that. They will not stop no matter what we do. They will still wear it to spite those of us who are trying to be activists for these poor creatures."
I think the saddest thing is that even though people like animals, they would rather be in fashion than let the animals live. Its all about supply and demand. if nobody wanted fur then nobody would supply it. If only people took more of an active role in looking into where their products come from. Like trainers that are made off the backs of child slave labour or the flowers that are delivered at the expense of the health of the plant pickers who fall ill due to intake of pest killers and poisonous gasses. Nothing comes without a price and sadly blood is what people a willing to exchange at the expense of others. Money is not the problem (after all its only paper and metal) but its the impression that money is valuable that corrupts people. remember Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. For example if you go to a remote village and try and trade them a cow for diamonds worth millions, they wont take it because diamonds are only rocks and they are not rare. This is even more evident when you go to a country that mines diamonds and you can bye a diamond ring for so much cheaper than it is in America or Europe. this is because they aren't as rare as we think. Anyway my point is, we are led to believe something is valuable by the media and stuff even if we know its not and most of the time the price paid to get the product is the reason why the product is expensive and not its rarity or size. To me into not about the fur itself, I only have a problem with how its collected and the way the animals and sometimes humans suffer to get it.
I agree to an extent on what you are saying BP. Everything up until the end. Why do people who live in warm places need fur? The only people who need fur now days are the Inuit and other people of their kind who still make there clothing out of the animals. And even then they used everything in the animal. Nothing goes to waste. I have a problem with the needless killing of animals so that others can look good. People who need the animal and its fur to survive still exist and I have no problem with them, but killing a baby seal so you can look good on the red carpet is just stupid.
I once saw a woman walking around Los Angeles, in June, wearing a full length silver fox coat.
Dumb-@$$ B%$&h.
I have no problem with people killing or making a living off animals...if A. The animal is not endangered. B. The animal is killed humanely. And C. The animal is fully utilized.
Another one of the thing the Chinese (and now the Costa Ricans are getting in on the trade in China) do that drives me batty is "shark finning". Sharks are not cute and cuddly, but they are a vital part of the ocean's ecosystem. They are a top tier predator necessary to maintaining the balances of fish populations.
They also are incredibly rich resources. Their meat is edible, the skin can be made into a fine leather, the glucosimine seen in my arthritis medications is found in their cartilage, the livers are extremely rich in nitritious oils, etc. Every single part of a shark can be used for something.
Its not only sickening to watch, it a huge freakin' waste. They could make hundreds of dollars off each shark if they just bothered to expand their operation beyond fins.
However, Mother Nature is not without a sense of humor. The Shark Fin soup these sharks are killed for is supposed to "increase a man virility", but because the mercury levels in the water surrounding China are so high (because they have no EPA controls), the shark fin soup is actually making men sterile.
"I once saw a woman walking around Los Angeles, in June, wearing a full length silver fox coat.
Dumb-@$$ B%$&h.
I have no problem with people killing or making a living off animals...if A. The animal is not endangered. B. The animal is killed humanely. And C. The animal is fully utilized.
Another one of the thing the Chinese (and now the Costa Ricans are getting in on the trade in China) do that drives me batty is "shark finning". Sharks are not cute and cuddly, but they are a vital part of the ocean's ecosystem. They are a top tier predator necessary to maintaining the balances of fish populations.
They also are incredibly rich resources. Their meat is edible, the skin can be made into a fine leather, the glucosimine seen in my arthritis medications is found in their cartilage, the livers are extremely rich in nitritious oils, etc. Every single part of a shark can be used for something.
And that is just a small operation, I have seen videos of entire factory ships hauling up sharks by the dozens, lopping their fins off just for shark fin soup, and then chucking the shark back into the ocean, still alive.
Its not only sickending to watch, it a huge freakin watse. They could make hundreds of dollars off each shark if they just bothered to expand their operation beyond fins.
However, Mother Nature is not without a sense of humor. The Shark Fin soup these sharks are killed for is supposed to "increase a man vrility", but because the mercury levels in the water surroudning China are so high, the shark fin soup is actually making men sterile.
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LoL I guess the saying "what goes around come around" has never fitted a better situation.
Sometimes I think the Environmental movements by-passing appealing to the most direct emotional triggers in people. They appeal to people aesthetics with the beauty of the natural environment and the loss of cute or beautiful animals, but there is a very hot button they could be hitting that they are not.
"Pollution: It makes your d$%& defective."
Or
"Pollution: No Babies for YOU!"
I guarantee, a lot more people would pay a lot more attention to those ads. LOL!
"Foreign people don't give a sh#t about animals.They use them for profit and nothing more..That video is disturbing though."
I think this sentence could of been been expressed better than categorising all foreign people with the same intent. And just for the record I come under foreign people."
I was using a stereotype..obviously there are exceptions.
But you're still eating it. Just as cows, Turkey and Cereal..
Beating something to death just for it's fur or ivory or other good is just wrong. That's the equivalent of beating an Old Lady just for her Perls and diamond necklass.
If a T-Rex kills the Old Lady though just to eat her and keep itself alive, it wouldn't be as bad.
There's a fine line between MURDER and Food Chain.
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No it is not...beating a Raccoon Dog up is not equivalent to beating and Old Lady for her pearls or diamonds.PEOPLE ARE GOING OVERBOARD......
Anyway...I wish I had a Raccoon Dog.
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I don't think anybody is exaggerating this. the fact is that raccoon dog was skinned alive it was blinking it was struggling and it was obviously in pain... people cannot justify the fact that they had a blade to cut the raccoon dog yet they could'nt use that same blade to end the dogs life. even after they skinned it they left it on the table and you can see it moving and lifting up its head trying to struggle and you cant tell me that trying to move with your skin cut off wont hurt. EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO BEFORE THEY REPLY."
I watched the video but what i'm saying is...yes it is cruel to skin it alive while it was still breathing and blinking...I would even go far as to say it's wrong to kill the dog for it's fur...but this is no comparison to beating an old lady down and robbing her....old women don't have any defense at all.At least the raccoon dog has claws and teeth.It's not the same thing.What they did is wrong but you can't compare it to beating down and old women."
I guess the fact the animals skin was ripped off with no sedation or anything means nothing?. OK look at it this way, have you ever broke or fractured a bone, burned yourself, torn a tendon or sprained your wrist or ankle. ok Imagine that pain and amplify it by a billion. the fact is its skin was ripped of. its not like getting a hair cut but like having all your nerves going on overdrive. and they knew full well that it was alive and struggling, in the background i can hear laughing. muggin an old lady is bad and there is no justification for that but this is the same. would you like to have your skin ripped of while u can feel everylittle bit of it. Maybe your thinking that the old lading is getting beat down by a baseball bat or suttin but still thats not like she's getting skinned alive isit. she may suffer from sever traumer, blood loss, internal bleeding and inevitably death but the pain she feels and the psicological effects is what makes these two things as bad as each other. its been established that animals feel emotions like humans and this animal is probably wondering what it did to deserve such pain. raccoon dogs are related to demesticated dogs (not raccons) and its more than likely that domestic dogs are being skinned in the same manner as this so would you feel the same way if it was your pet dog getting skinned alive? this is the same as an old woman being beaten up because raccoon dogs are being killed in the millions like this every year. they could just as easy throw them in a box full of co2 to kill them like they do in european countries, which leads to a painless death because the animal runs out of oxygen and fall asleep. its cheep and effective and it doesnt harm the fur. anyway regardless of what method used it all come down to consumer demands and people out there can see this yet they still like the feel of fur on their jacket. Oh and just to let you know, these animals live their whole life in a small cage and through the bars of the cage they can see their relatives being skinned. They are small and young and obviously not big or strong enough to take on a human by itself, let alone a human with a tool in his hand. They can hardly defend themselves and even if they try do you honestly think that it will help them? Claws and teeth dont mean nothing when theres no way of effectively utilising them. Don't get it twisted, evil is evil. Anyway stay blessed,
Peace"
I understand your point very well but it's obvious..nobody has understood mine from the beginning.I'm not saying slaughtering animals for any reason is ok.Not fur,not food,not anything.My point was for the people who say stuff like.."If I saw these people doing this I would hit them or shoot them"you have to understand the mentality of the people involved.These people killed these animals nonchalantly as if raccoon dogs were created for them to kill...as if they weren't breathing,living things at all.There is obviously something going on with them psychologically that makes them desensitized to the killing of animals.
For example...when I was younger...I watched my friend kick a bird that couldn't fly in the dirt until it died.Me and everyone else just sat there and laughed.Is it funny to kill animals..of course not.Did I think he was crazy or something was wrong with him? Of course not.You know why? Me neither.I don't know why people can kill an animal brutally and feel no type of way about it...it's just the way some people think.
Do you think if someone comes and shoots me where I stand right now...and I suffer and squirm because I don't die right away and I have to sit there and bleed to death..that the Justice system is going to be any harder on him because I suffered? All they care about is the fact I was killed..they don't care how it was done.When I'm sitting at home eating some chicken..even after seeing that KFC slaughterhouse video....that i'm thinking,damn I hope this chicken wasn't tortured or brutalized.You could have proof the very piece of chicken I am eating was stomped and fed steroids...and I would still eat it.Why,because even though humans are classified animals..some people don't hold animals in the same regard they do humans...and don't care how they were killed.
During slavery...alot of Africans died just for their right to live and at some point people born during those times saw the actions against those people bound by slavery as normal.It was normal to sell people as tools,it was normal to beat them and hang them and drag them by horse carriage because they made everyone believe that we weren't people..it was written in law.
The point i'm trying to make is it's not ok to brutalize or torture any living being;however,when something like that becomes normal because it is legal in your region and so many are doing it then it desensitizes the people who do it.If murder and brutality becomes the norm around you...you don't know any better to feel any remorse for it.It doesn't make it right but wanting to kill those people or hurt them doesn't make you right either.The people involved in KFC Slaughter are obviously sick and demented...normal sane people don't slam or jump on living creatures until they die for fun..you know they say killing animals is the first step to being a serial killer...and there is no such thing a sane serial killer.
Actually, the justice system WILL be harder on a criminal that caused suffering to his victim. "Torture" and "Sadistic acts" are legal terms that have bearing on sentencing.
And just because it is "the norm", that does not make it o.k. Just because Slavery was "the norm" that does not make it right. We fought a war over that one.
It was "the norm" to kill Jews in Germany in 1940's...that does not make it o.k. That does not mean the Nuremburg trials should have been more lenient. Just because "Well... everybody was doing it!"
I agree to an extent on what you are saying BP. Everything up until the end. Why do people who live in warm places need fur? The only people who need fur now days are the Inuit and other people of their kind who still make there clothing out of the animals. And even then they used everything in the animal. Nothing goes to waste. I have a problem with the needless killing of animals so that others can look good. People who need the animal and its fur to survive still exist and I have no problem with them, but killing a baby seal so you can look good on the red carpet is just stupid.
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True but what I was saying is that if the people who kill these animals allow them to live an adequate life following the laws of DEFRA (Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs) I wont have a problem with it. Because DEFRA makes sure that the Animals are given enough food, water, sunlight, clean air, space and environment that they need and also that they are killed in a humane manner. if these laws are followed then I have no problems, its only when animals are farmed in inhumane ways that I have a problem. I don't eat fast food like KFC, McDonald's or Burger king. But I still eat meat aslong as i know the source. I do however have a problem with certain freerange chicken farms because the chicken may be free of confinement but it is put out in a field with little protection from the elements and scared out of their life. Chickens are prey animals from asia and they would live in forest if they were still in their homeland. so free range chickens are always fearing attacks from birds of prey. In the UK we have falcons and up north there are eagles and they would obviously circle over the compound that is holding the chickens. Obviously the animals are better off than they were when they were locked inside but their stress level is still above normal. they still need to to more for these animals, all they need are areas with trees or boards that they can hapily graze under without fear of a sky attack.
"Actually, the justice system WILL be harder on a criminal that caused suffering to his victim. "Torture" and "Sadistic acts" are legal terms that have bearing on sentencing. "
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