#1 Edited by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

ok so ive been a fan of the hitman series for a while now. and by in large ive loved it. the level design the multiple ways to kill a target the multiple objectives within each level. the weapon customization, the disguises I could go on for days. but its safe to say that "Hitman Absolution" ruined the franchise. so I ask you fellow viners: why do videogame studiosalways have to ruin a good thing to make it "more accessible" (easier) for people? why do they betray the people who padded their pockets in favor of the people with a 3 second attention span. Absolution sucked and it bothers me that I see this trend in stealth games that we used to love splinter cell hitman have disintegrated into easy games for kids. why don't true gamers ever get what we want? (kojima gives us what we want though) why does the gaming industry cater to the COD battlefield and TPS players that don't want to have to think their way through a game? share your opinions here

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#2 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it easy to platinum? I just finished Contracts and and moving on to Blood Money.

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#6 Posted by JediXMan (30597 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

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#7 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

Yep.

#8 Edited by JediXMan (30597 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

Yep.

I just realized: Ghost Recon, Watch Dogs, and Assassins Creed...

Thank you, Ubisoft!

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#9 Posted by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

arkham isn't really what I would call stealth. the orginal 3 splintercells and the first 3 hitmans is more the stealth im talking bout.

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#10 Edited by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_son_of_czarnia:

btw you are going to LOVE bloodmoney. if you want to watch a GREAT "let's play" check out "TheAuxxieGamer" on youtube.

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#11 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, the new Splinter Cell can be played in multiple ways, including 'pure' stealth.

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#13 Posted by Samimista (20711 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

Don't forget the previous Dishonored and the upcoming Thief. Totally agree though. I don't see how stealth is dying when it's more popular than ever in my opinion.

#14 Posted by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

@samimista:

there are a few stealth series that have been completely changed to suit the casual gamer. hitman and splinter cell come to mind. AC has never really been about stealth. neither has the arkham series.

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#15 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5584 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: B.I.N.G.O. And money ruins games. O

#16 Posted by wolverine1610 (250 posts) - - Show Bio

Whaaa :o i liked absolution

#17 Edited by Samimista (20711 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: I understand what you mean now but the thread title sounds a bit misleading.

EDIT: Also I never mentioned AC if you mean Assassin's Creed. That I never consider to be a stealth game. Thief is a different franchise that's been around long before AC. Unless if you mean something else.

#18 Edited by nerdork (4038 posts) - - Show Bio

First off, I loved Absolution. But, it was also a different Publisher that released the new game. (Eidos originally; Square Enix now). Publishing companies have a lot more say than the developers, in regards to a games content. You want to blame somone...blame Square Enix for not letting the developers (IO Interactive) off of their leash.

#19 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Most stealth games are simply part action now, which works for me.

Also easier =/= bad IMO. Just means that the devs need to make sure their multiple difficultly settings.

#20 Edited by frogdog (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc:

why do videogame studiosalways have to ruin a good thing to make it "more accessible" (easier) for people? why do they betray the people who padded their pockets in favor of the people with a 3 second attention span.

It's a misguided attempt to draw more customers and money.

#21 Posted by Samimista (20711 posts) - - Show Bio

Most stealth games are simply part action now, which works for me.

Also easier =/= bad IMO. Just means that the devs need to make sure their multiple difficultly settings.

Totally agree on this. I actually like the multiple difficulty settings to be honest. Very helpful.

#22 Edited by JediXMan (30597 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

Don't forget the previous Dishonored and the upcoming Thief. Totally agree though. I don't see how stealth is dying when it's more popular than ever in my opinion.

Ah! I forgot about Thief!

I'm thinking of playing Dishonored, but I haven't decided. I have a few games I'd like to play (The Walking Dead, Eternal Darkness, possibly buy Mirror's Edge for PC...).

Also: there are some stealth elements in Skyrim. Seriously, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild are boring if you don't go stealthy.

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#23 Posted by Samimista (20711 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@samimista said:

@jedixman said:

I disagree. I feel like stealth games are making a major comeback: Metal Gear Solid V, the Arkham series, Ghost Recon series, Watch Dogs (looks like it has some elements), the Last of Us, etc.

As for why studios make things more accessible to new players, this is easily applied to movies, comics, etc. Same thing: money.

Don't forget the previous Dishonored and the upcoming Thief. Totally agree though. I don't see how stealth is dying when it's more popular than ever in my opinion.

Ah! I forgot about Thief!

I'm thinking of playing Dishonored, but I haven't decided. I have a few games I'd like to play (The Walking Dead, Eternal Darkness, possibly buy Mirror's Edge for PC...).

Also: there are some stealth elements in Skyrim. Seriously, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild are boring if you don't go stealthy.

To be honest with you I have never played Thief before but so hyped for the reboot. It looks fantastic. 0.0

Dishonored is a very fun one but may I recommend to wait for Steam Sale? It does have replay value to it since you can go nonlethal or lethal way but I believe the Steam Sale is coming up soon.

#24 Posted by frogdog (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

Most stealth games are simply part action now, which works for me.

Also easier =/= bad IMO. Just means that the devs need to make sure their multiple difficultly settings.

When certain games are known for challenge and latest game is dumbed down, for a new audince, it going to a problem for old time fans.

#25 Posted by MyFavoriteViltrumite23 (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Try Deus ex human revolution or far cry 3

#26 Posted by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

@samimista:

I know you didn't. someone earlier did and I just wanted to address it. I wasn't aiming that at you though

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#27 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

@decoy_elite said:

Most stealth games are simply part action now, which works for me.

Also easier =/= bad IMO. Just means that the devs need to make sure their multiple difficultly settings.

When certain games are known for challenge and latest game is dumbed down, for a new audince, it going to a problem for old time fans.

This is true. Which is why their should be multiple difficultly settings so you can please newer fans who aren't very good at the game while keeping the challenge for classic fans.

#28 Edited by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

dishonored comes to mind as a good stealth game and absolution was good as well. plus a new thief game.

#29 Edited by Samimista (20711 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Ah okay though I think you accidentally did the '@' towards me.

#30 Edited by Nefarious (20308 posts) - - Show Bio

I beg to differ.

#31 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33367 posts) - - Show Bio

As a Survival Horror enthusiast I feel your pain

#32 Posted by SOG7dc (7166 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope we get a true stealth game on the next gen

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