#51 Posted by Wolverine08 (44937 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

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whats ...... for? I with deathstroke on this, not that it really matters, because whats strangers on the internet actually mean in real life? nothing.

How do tattoos make you look like a gangster?

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#52 Posted by Wolverine08 (44937 posts) - - Show Bio
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#53 Posted by HeckTate (1354 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher: You mean that picture that the judge ruled would not be admissible in court as it had nothing at all to do with the facts of the case? This picture does nothing, you may as well show pictures of girls taking selfies in rape cases as a way of proving they were asking for it.

#54 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (26055 posts) - - Show Bio

*sigh*

Let's not start this again, I remember when this case really got heated we had like 20 of these threads with people arguing the same sh!t in everyone of them...

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#55 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22650 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

@wolverine08 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

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whats ...... for? I with deathstroke on this, not that it really matters, because whats strangers on the internet actually mean in real life? nothing.

How do tattoos make you look like a gangster?

if it looks like chicken and it tastes like chicken, is it not chicken?

I have nothing against tattoos or the fact he is black. but Deathstroke has a point.

#56 Posted by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@battheman008: You mean this picture where he's throwing up the infamous gang sign of the rolling 11's?

No, although that picture would be better if he'd pull up his f*cking pants like a normal person.

#57 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio

@hecktate said:

@night_thrasher: You mean that picture that the judge ruled would not be admissible in court as it had nothing at all to do with the facts of the case? This picture does nothing, you may as well show pictures of girls taking selfies in rape cases as a way of proving they were asking for it.

That's my point. The only thing that I've seen that really says "gang member" about Trayvon was his skin color.

#58 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26055 posts) - - Show Bio

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean....

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#59 Posted by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@hecktate said:

@night_thrasher: You mean that picture that the judge ruled would not be admissible in court as it had nothing at all to do with the facts of the case? This picture does nothing, you may as well show pictures of girls taking selfies in rape cases as a way of proving they were asking for it.

That's my point. The only thing that I've seen that really says "gang member" about Trayvon was his skin color.

Oh so, you're one of those blind supporters crying outrage without actually paying attention to the case? That's cool.

#60 Posted by Wolverine08 (44937 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean....

It's supposed to show that he knows what he's talking about...........

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#61 Posted by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@allstarsuperman said:

@wolverine08 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

......

whats ...... for? I with deathstroke on this, not that it really matters, because whats strangers on the internet actually mean in real life? nothing.

How do tattoos make you look like a gangster?

if it looks like chicken and it tastes like chicken, is it not chicken?

I have nothing against tattoos or the fact he is black. but Deathstroke has a point.

Yep.

#62 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher said:

@hecktate said:

@night_thrasher: You mean that picture that the judge ruled would not be admissible in court as it had nothing at all to do with the facts of the case? This picture does nothing, you may as well show pictures of girls taking selfies in rape cases as a way of proving they were asking for it.

That's my point. The only thing that I've seen that really says "gang member" about Trayvon was his skin color.

Oh so, you're one of those blind supporters crying outrage without actually paying attention to the case? That's cool.

No but I do recognize that a picture taken months, weeks or days before the incident also has nothing to do with the case. It seems to me that you paid less attention to the case than I did.

#63 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26055 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean....

It's supposed to show that he knows what he's talking about...........

It's just that I'm completely confused with his line of reasoning and that part completely lost me.... It's like he's trying to build a rebuttal against a Slippery Slope fallacy...Which makes zero sense in this context.

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#64 Edited by HeckTate (1354 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher:

Oh so, you're one of those blind supporters crying outrage without actually paying attention to the case? That's cool.

What do you mean? The judges ruled those photos couldn't be used in the trial. They also ruled that Zimmerman's restraining order couldn't be used against him.

#65 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (26055 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean....

It's supposed to show that he knows what he's talking about...........

It's just that I'm completely confused with his line of reasoning and that part completely lost me.... It's like he's trying to build a rebuttal against a Slippery Slope fallacy...Which makes zero sense in this context.

Scratch that, I confused fallacies lol, I meant a "Spot Light fallacy", not the "Slippery Slope fallacy". xD

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#66 Posted by danhimself (22679 posts) - - Show Bio
#67 Edited by SOG7dc (7795 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher said:

@battheman008: You mean this picture where he's throwing up the infamous gang sign of the rolling 11's?

No, although that picture would be better if he'd pull up his f*cking pants like a normal person.

what does a "normal person" look like exactly? how doesone dress? how does one talk?

#68 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh.

#69 Edited by Dabee (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

For f*ck's sake, I don't f*cking care.

EDIT: Also, in before lock.

#70 Posted by russellmania77 (15740 posts) - - Show Bio

He pointed a shotgun at his wife, I guess he suspected her to be doing a crime

#71 Posted by Samimista (20909 posts) - - Show Bio
#72 Posted by WillPayton (9684 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh... who cares?

#73 Edited by TheThe (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

She shouldnt have bought skittles and ice tea. Dumb girlfriend!

#74 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: @dccomicsrule2011: I'm saying that no one should hate him/shoot him just because he's black. I have black friends and a black neighbor. Those black friends and black neighbor are not covered in tattoos and flashing gang signs. Becuase they don't have that there is NO reason to suspect them of anything suspicious and they should not be looked upon/ treated any different than any of my other friends. So by him having those tattoos and flashing those gang signs he could cause intimidation and perhaps spook somebody and make them think he is/was a gangbanger. BUT as my last statement shows that looking like that does NOT give ANYONE the right to shoot someone but a right to be suspicious and weary. I apologize if that was not clear.

Summary:

-Martin looked suspicious

-Neighborhood watch/ anyone has a right to be suspicious/ weary

-NO ONE should shoot someone for looking suspicious.

- Zimmerman was wrong to shoot but right to be suspicious.

- Martin was not intimidating because he was black but because of his tattoos and gang signs.

- If a white kid was covered in tattoos and flashing gang signs anyone would be suspicious of him as well.

P.S. Lol i had 15 notifications when i got back on because my original paragraph kept getting mentioned.

#75 Posted by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008 said:

@night_thrasher said:

@battheman008: You mean this picture where he's throwing up the infamous gang sign of the rolling 11's?

No, although that picture would be better if he'd pull up his f*cking pants like a normal person.

what does a "normal person" look like exactly? how doesone dress? how does one talk?

Normal people don't wear their pants at their knees so everyone can see their underwear, if you believe that's how someone should dress you are of less intelligence.

#76 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: @dccomicsrule2011: I'm saying that no one should hate him/shoot him just because he's black. I have black friends and a black neighbor. Those black friends and black neighbor are not covered in tattoos and flashing gang signs. Becuase they don't have that there is NO reason to suspect them of anything suspicious and they should not be looked upon/ treated any different than any of my other friends. So by him having those tattoos and flashing those gang signs he could cause intimidation and perhaps spook somebody and make them think he is/was a gangbanger. BUT as my last statement shows that looking like that does NOT give ANYONE the right to shoot someone but a right to be suspicious and weary. I apologize if that was not clear.

Summary:

-Martin looked suspicious

-Neighborhood watch/ anyone has a right to be suspicious/ weary

-NO ONE should shoot someone for looking suspicious.

- Zimmerman was wrong to shoot but right to be suspicious.

- Martin was not intimidating because he was black but because of his tattoos and gang signs.

- If a white kid was covered in tattoos and flashing gang signs anyone would be suspicious of him as well.

P.S. Lol i had 15 notifications when i got back on because my original paragraph kept getting mentioned.

- What exactly was suspicious about Martin. Keep in mind he wasn't dressed like that the night of the encounter. Also Zimmerman couldn't see his tattoos because he was wearing long sleeves and pants. Also Zimmerman never mentioned that he was flashing gang signs in his affidavit.

- Suspicious and antagonistic are two separate things

- agreed so why are you taking up for Zimmerman so much?

- When is Trayvon's fear taken into account. According to the only other witness in the case Trayvon actually feared for his life that night. Remember there are two witnesses in the case not named George or Trayvon. One only saw the fight and the other was on the phone with Trayvon right before the incident. George's fear we only suspect because of HIS testimony while Trayvon vocalized his fear to his friend. So how is George Zimmerman's fear superseding Trayvon's?

#77 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio
#78 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher:

- idk then

- ok

- Get to it in a second.

- it's not. Look below.

Martin had a right to be scared too. Anyone does that is being stalked/ followed. I'm a bit tired now so i wont go into too much detail but both were at fault. Zimmerman should not have shot; Martin should not have been there. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and probably looked a bit suspicious but as i said in no way should he have been shot. Sorry if it seems I'm supporting Zimmerman because that's not the case at all.

I only had 2 questions about this case since it began:

1) Why was Martin in this neighborhood in the first place?

2) Why would Zimmerman just shoot a 17 year old?

I'm not gonna lie but Zimmerman was an idiot. As part of the neighborhood watch you report to the police on what is going on but you do not take action.

#79 Posted by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@battheman008: Define "normal people".

I already have. Your views are skewed because of your need to feel special, your opinions will not change. I am not discussing this any further.

#80 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathstroke19: He was in the neighborhood because he was staying with his dad who stayed in a condo with his girlfriend in the neighborhood.

#81 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher: okedoke then. Idk if we still disagree with anything but if we do i agree to disagree. And if we agree well then... Agreed. Lol.

I'm pretty sure I'm done with this thread. It seems that too many people think I'm supporting Zimmerman because i didn't have a chance to make a case for Martin. So yeah...

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#60 Posted by Wolverine08 (10611 posts) - 2 hours, 48 minutes ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@deathstroke19 said:

Has anyone seen the pics of Martin of how he looked when he died? He looked like a total gang banger and not because he's black because believe me i have black friends and a black neighbor and none of them are covered in tattoos and are flashing gang signs. I'm not saying it was right for Zimmerman to shoot him just for that but he definitely had a right to be suspicious.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean....

It's supposed to show that he knows what he's talking about...........

.... That seems a bit harsh.... :(

#83 Posted by Night Thrasher (3702 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathstroke19: I don't mind if people actually think Zimmerman was justified. If that's the case we agree to disagree. What really bothers me is the people who have to slander the victim to prove their point. That urks the heck out of me and I think it borderlines on racism.

#84 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher: WOAH! No, not justifying at all. Just didn't have time to make a case for both. Zimmerman was definitely wrong to shoot.

#85 Posted by SOG7dc (7795 posts) - - Show Bio

@battheman008: ok. a few questions; what makes you an authority on normality? what makes you an authority on intelligence? there are literally millions of young men allover the country who wear their pants like that. do you think they are all of a lesser intelligence? btw you didnt answer my questions

#86 Edited by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008: ok. a few questions; what makes you an authority on normality? what makes you an authority on intelligence? there are literally millions of young men allover the country who wear their pants like that. do you think they are all of a lesser intelligence? btw you didnt answer my questions

Yes. You don't see hard working, intelligent people wearing their pants like that. Also, I said I'm not discussing this any more. Thanks.

#87 Edited by HumanRocket (8887 posts) - - Show Bio

Good.

#88 Posted by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

The funny thing is whenever a black person kills a white kid no-one cares. When a white guy kills a black kid, everyone is calling him a racist and make a huge deal about how much of a racist he is.

#89 Posted by SOG7dc (7795 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008: ok. a few questions; what makes you an authority on normality? what makes you an authority on intelligence? there are literally millions of young men allover the country who wear their pants like that. do you think they are all of a lesser intelligence? btw you didnt answer my questions

Yes. You don't see hard working, intelligent people wearing their pants like that. Also, I said I'm not discussing this any more. Thanks.

really? id consider sean carter and sean combs pretty hardworking individuals. id also consider Tupac one of the best poetic minds in the last century. but you already have your preconceived notions of whats good and whats bad dont you?

#90 Edited by BattheMan008 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008 said:

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008: ok. a few questions; what makes you an authority on normality? what makes you an authority on intelligence? there are literally millions of young men allover the country who wear their pants like that. do you think they are all of a lesser intelligence? btw you didnt answer my questions

Yes. You don't see hard working, intelligent people wearing their pants like that. Also, I said I'm not discussing this any more. Thanks.

really? id consider sean carter and sean combs pretty hardworking individuals. id also consider Tupac one of the best poetic minds in the last century. but you already have your preconceived notions of whats good and whats bad dont you?

Tupac Shakur? Wasn't he in a gang?

#92 Edited by pooty (11522 posts) - - Show Bio

He was arrested for domestic violence which in no way proves or supports he did anything wrong to Trayvon. Zimmerman followed trayvon. A police dispatch who is NOT a police or authority figure told Zimm not to follow. Zimm kept following which is NOT against the law. Tratvon who coyld easily out run Zimm confronted Zimm. Tray felt threatened and had invoked his Stand my ground rights. in doing so that made zimm feel threatened and he invoked his stand my ground law. Two people made bad decisions but neither broke any law

#93 Posted by Rouflex (19508 posts) - - Show Bio

What does Rob ford say?

#94 Posted by EdBlank (560 posts) - - Show Bio

George Zimmerman is clearly a menace. I know some of you are so embroiled in justifying his killing of a scary black teen - and let's be clear, it is obvious that you are simply rooting for the "right" to shoot and kill undersirables regardless of the actual facts - that you feel like you have to argue your case all the time but Shooterman Z is just not a good person.

#95 Edited by youmessinwithme (1198 posts) - - Show Bio

Man.... this thread makes me ashamed to be white... I didn't know we had so many Racists here on CV.

EDIT:

also as a teenager this thread disgusts me from most of the post on here I feel like if I were walking through your neighborhood I would be the one in Danger some of you may feel the need to come chase me down and shoot me cause of the way I look.

#96 Posted by ARMIV2 (8800 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@isaac_clarke said:

That was quick. I wonder... did he save us from another citizen trying to buy sugary snacks or threaten his wife again?

he shot a puppy.the puppy was dragging a red wagon filled with glitter and cotton candy and medicine for sick orphans. the puppy sneezed so George called him the n-word and shot him in the face with a 12-gauge shot gun......the state of Florida is building a statue in his honor next to Tim Tebow and Andrew Jackson

I am laughing way to hard at this. Brilliant.

#97 Posted by patrat18 (10624 posts) - - Show Bio

Man.... this thread makes me ashamed to be white... I didn't know we had so many Racists here on CV.

I agree. It's disgusting.

#98 Edited by patrat18 (10624 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll just leave this here.

#99 Posted by JetiiMitra (8783 posts) - - Show Bio

@edblank said:

George Zimmerman is clearly a menace. I know some of you are so embroiled in justifying his killing of a scary black teen - and let's be clear, it is obvious that you are simply rooting for the "right" to shoot and kill undersirables regardless of the actual facts - that you feel like you have to argue your case all the time but Shooterman Z is just not a good person.

I can't tell if you're joking or trolling or what. On the chance that you are serious, please consider that before the Martin case, Zimmerman had one notable legal incident. That is not him being a menace. Afterwards, though, he had four, including speeding tickets. Do you wonder why? Practically the entire nation hated him - still hates him, in fact. TV, Internet, other media, people in real life. There could not have been any kind of escape from it, and you're ignoring any guilt he might be feeling that would magnify the hate he was receiving. How stressful must that have been? For fuck's sake, there was a bounty on his life. So now, having to deal with all this, he cracks a few times. That's understandable. That's not him being a menace, it's him being human. Now I'm saying this to show it might be possible Zimmerman isn't a bad person. I've been avoiding the Martin case because as far as I'm concerned, regardless of how I personally feel, it's been ruled that his final action was in self-defense. I also wanted to make it clear that it's possible to look at this objectively (IE the opposite of how you are) without being racist or trying to propagate a gun rights agenda.

tl;dr Just... get your head out of your a$$.

#100 Edited by BlackArmor (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@battheman008: ok. a few questions; what makes you an authority on normality? what makes you an authority on intelligence? there are literally millions of young men allover the country who wear their pants like that. do you think they are all of a lesser intelligence? btw you didnt answer my questions

Yes. You don't see hard working, intelligent people wearing their pants like that. Also, I said I'm not discussing this any more. Thanks.

Yes, you do see hard working and intelligent people wearing their pants like that. That fashion is a cultural phenomena popularized by some celebrities, whose fame, popularity, and success many young people wish to emulate and following the trend says nothing about how intelligent they are or what values they hold, it merely indicates what aspects of pop culture they are into and or what environment they come from. I am black myself and while I don't personally wear or support that style I know many people with good grades and jobs who do and it is offensive that you would imply that anyone who does wear that style instantly forfeits any of their intelligence or drive just because they are into things that you yourself do not appreciate.