Future of America

(This might not apply to overseas Viners)

The US president has now allowed undocumented minors and students to stay Scott free within the borders of the US, with the idea that they're the future of America.

My parents are Italian. My dad came here to the states almost 50 years ago as a minor and worked with steal to earn something and make a living. He had no one to rely on, and his family ignored him. My mom spent years earning her citizenship, becoming a citizen after many years of arduous tests and exams, along with green cards and stuff.

So how the Hell are illegal teens close to my age the future of the country I was born in? They're the salvation of the country they came from, not mine. Shouldn't it be me, my sister and all of the Generation X's living in the states that should be the future of America? The link below is a more conservative view on what happened, so of course it'll be "biased" to the more progressive guys out there. But it's all over the news too, so don't just look to the Drudge Report for coverage.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/232923-obama-makes-election-year-change-in-immigration-policy

This actually does apply to viners overseas since you're complaining about an immigration issue. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal for you, though.

@Nelomaxwell said:

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: I honestly don't care my people were brought over here in boats and we still don't get SH!T so.

Everybody was before airplanes were invented.

@Nelomaxwell said:

@AweSam said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: I honestly don't care my people were brought over here in boats and we still don't get SH!T so.

Everybody was before airplanes were invented.

Not in shackles bruh. and not for free labor.

Well, we don't necessarily live in a perfect world.

@Nelomaxwell:

Believe me, you're getting more now that I have my entire life. For ancestry, my ancestors where fishermen and farmers trying to survive famine in Sicily. Despite there have been slavery at one point in the 'states (sadly women and kids worldwide are not so fortunate), in the US, people can be given a chance to be equal.

What I'm saying is why are people abusing it? If my parents could become US citizens through years of hard work, why is it so difficult for others? Ex. Cubans can get asylum, and many in Miami are even harder workers than 3/4 of my family members combined. But why is the new generation demanding so much from people who, or the most part, had nothing to do with the hardships their country faces?

It's questions like this that I want answered, but are skirted constantly.

@AweSam:

My great grandparents went to New York via boats.

Uh oh.

Don't even respond Nelo. Just don't.

@Nelomaxwell:

Back in the late 19th century, the worst lynching in history was done to untried Sicilian workers. I don't say that African Americans have suffered less, but that all people who emigrated in the past have suffered hate (the fact that I'm a Catholic makes people see me and my church as pedos as well as mafia). It's how you grow up and learn to respect each other that makes a difference nowadays.

As I say often, do not onto others as you would like done to yourself.

And according to human biology, all Homo Sapiens originated from Africa. So, in a way, all humans are African. :)

If you are a young minority, this should concern you. The unemployment rate for young adult black/latinos is about 50%. Adding 800,000 people is only gonna make that number higher. Actually, this should be a concern for everyone, no matter what their demographic is, because people have to eat, and if there are no jobs to provide them from money, that money is going to come from a higher crime rate or a higher welfare rate, which leads to a higher tax rate. It doesn't matter if your ancestors were brought here on a boat in chains or if your ancestors were putting people in chains on boats. We're all in the same boat now.

@CozyDaPrynce:

I live in SoCal, where this is a major hot topic issue. Also, what people don't seem to realize is a lot of the money spent for "free education" for undocumented students and workers means more taxation and less benefits for me and everybody else down the line. If you ever have a dream of being rich one day, you can throw it out the window because all that cash is going to people who will most likely waste it on something else outside of school.

@AweSam:

Damn. It never comes out the way I want it. *shakes head*

It's supposed to be the philosophy that Jesus put out in his teachings, that while we are all different, we are all equal under the (Lord). You do not do to people things that have been done badly to you, i.e. if you have been bullied, don't bully somebody else down the line.

Free education is public education. You do realize that, don't you? The government spending money on public education is not exclusive to undocumented immigrants. Now, what more people don't realize is that the money spent on wars could instead be spent on fixing our own problems. America's problem is not illegal residents. It's poor money management on the government's part. Take Nelo's advice and write to your senator. Complaining here isn't going to do anything but cause trouble.

@AweSam:

Borderline agnostic for years before looking closer into my religion. I'm no fanatic and half the things the church has done in and out of the books tick me off, but the overlying message and teachings are what I follow.

@CozyDaPrynce:

You honestly think a politician's going to listen to a *insert derogatory word for Sicilian* like me? The last time any politician listened to civilians was under Ronald Reagan.

It's kind of sad that I have absolutely no idea about my heritage.

Other than maybe I'm vaguely Irish on my Mom's side. Not even 100% on that.

So we should forsake progress because those in the past had it badly? 
 
Your logic is contradictory and faulty.

@Lunacyde:

Urgh. Progression is a sham with the logic dictated by the president! He claimed 4 years ago that hi reign would do a God awfully huge amount of stuff to equalize people and "help" them. I was using the past as my argument as to WHY people who are coming to the US with hands outstretched are making things worse compared to previous immigrants who came legally, went through Hell and got less than half of what the new guys are getting.

If that is faulty logic, then you have to stop listening to the 60's generations of teachers who are in charge of high school and elementary classes nowadays. Because that logic is far worse than mine.

No illegal resident comes with hands outstretched, guy. They come here looking for work. The whole purpose of this country was to provide that kind of opportunity. You're ignorant if you think the journey here is not hell for them, or the search for work, or the work, and lastly, the hunger. What is it exactly that they have, anyway? Employment benefits? Welfare? Federal grants? College loans? Legal employment opportunities? Social security? Shoot, I'm sure there's a lot of things I could list but I'll get right to it: These "new guys" don't even get half, of half, of anything important, so what are you on about?

@NlGHTCRAWLER:

I never stole anything. Caucasian whites from French and British ancestry, along with the Spanish, stole it. Italians didn't start coming in until the 1880's, right around the time the Irish evacuated their homeland because of the potato famine.

You know, I hold Native Americans at the highest regard for culture and beliefs, but to be blamed for something a group of people nowhere near related to me, my family or my friends is ridiculous.

@NlGHTCRAWLER:

I was born here. You where born here. I never chose to be born here, but I was. Native Americans are immigrants too; all people originated from Africa many many many many years ago.

The difference is is that back in time immigrants where treated like roaches, including my family. Now that they made something of themselves, the new generation feels its their right for things, while not learning about the incidents of the past.

@tg1982:

Tell me about it.

@AweSam:

Most didn't even vote last time there was a presidential election.

I agree that immigrants should not feel "entitled", but to think that they should be treated like roaches, just because they were in the past is absurd. Might as well reinstate slavery while we're at it. 

@NlGHTCRAWLER:

I don't say that I don't want people to be happy. There isn't a day that goes by that I wish the world would stop fighting! I don't watch the news anymore because all I ever see is children being slaughtered left and right in areas of the world where people need help the most. I have a friend who's family goes through Hell every single moment in Mexico. Half of the family on his dad's side refuse to do anything because they're too lazy and irresponsible. His mother tough breaks her back every day to hold the family business and social connections of the family together, with absolutely no help from others.

But there are borders there not to stop people from coming in, but to prevent Hell from breaking loose, especially now that there is so much threatening scenarios playing out in Europe, Asia and Africa. I don't want immigration to stop because I want people to come in to make a difference and be somebody. What I would prefer is an easier transition into citizenship, instead of handing it out to people because they're already there.

I don't LIKE the idea of illegal immigration because of the dangers it poses. But that doesn't mean I don't give a damn about the people who need help in Mexico.

@Chaos Burn:

Probably, but all future scenarios I ever study are geological in nature (It's my major after all). In all honesty, I hate politics. The idea of them makes me sick. It's just that when I feel enclosed like people hate me because I'm not part of the masses, then I want to speak my mind.

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope said:

(This might not apply to overseas Viners)

The US president has now allowed undocumented minors and students to stay Scott free within the borders of the US, with the idea that they're the future of America.

My parents are Italian. My dad came here to the states almost 50 years ago as a minor and worked with steal to earn something and make a living. He had no one to rely on, and his family ignored him. My mom spent years earning her citizenship, becoming a citizen after many years of arduous tests and exams, along with green cards and stuff.

So how the Hell are illegal teens close to my age the future of the country I was born in? They're the salvation of the country they came from, not mine. Shouldn't it be me, my sister and all of the Generation X's living in the states that should be the future of America? The link below is a more conservative view on what happened, so of course it'll be "biased" to the more progressive guys out there. But it's all over the news too, so don't just look to the Drudge Report for coverage.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/232923-obama-makes-election-year-change-in-immigration-policy

My parents are Nigerian, nice to see another person with immigrant parents.

@Jnr6Lil:

It's great to meet another 1st generation. :) (not joking, it really is a pleasure)

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying they shouldn't be here or that they are just referred to in a false light sometimes?

@Glitch_Spawn:

Neither. I am one of few that don't mind immigrants coming in, as long as they go through proper channels. Despite what along of media says, the more Conservative groups out there hate seeing people getting killed by Coyotes down south.

My big beef is that, unlike how most immigrants come in with the dream of making a difference, some come for free benefits that slowly drain the money out of the other people already living here, making future generations pay for the people enjoying life nowadays.

Ex. Because of the spending in Washington, the army and military is being cut so as the money spent there is diverted to pay for health care and people with unemployment.

Less army means the states are more susceptible to attack. Health Care prescribed by Washington isn't like Blue Cross or anything. It's the same one you find in Italy, where anybody over 80 is denied help because they're too old. (quite a few people in my family and family friends have died because of that) Unemployment is supposed to aide people in between finding work. What a lot do is just take the check and not even try to find a job, because the money is already there.

No workers means no productivity. No productivity means less things being made, and the markets stagnating. It even effects comic companies and action figure makers because they rely more on overseas production and the consumers are forced to spend less than ever, meaning less money is being made in the long run.

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: You the only one in your family or you got siblings?

And hate to sound stupid but what exactly do you mean by first generation? I here the term alot.

@Jnr6Lil:

Younger sib. First generation means the first grouping of kids born from immigrants of other places.

Ex. My best friend is 1st generation Armenian. Her parents where born in Syria and Lebanon, then immigrated to the states. She and her siblings, being the first kids of the parents born in the US, are 1st generation. If she has children, they'll be 2nd generation, or the 2nd generation of children in her family to be born in the states.

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope said:

@Jnr6Lil:

Younger sib. First generation means the first grouping of kids born from immigrants of other places.

Ex. My best friend is 1st generation Armenian. Her parents where born in Syria and Lebanon, then immigrated to the states. She and her siblings, being the first kids of the parents born in the US, are 1st generation. If she has children, they'll be 2nd generation, or the 2nd generation of children in her family to be born in the states.

Ah makes sense, so for normal Americans who parents aren't immigrants, Are they like 10th generation and above? And when you say first generation means the first grouping of kids to be born, do you mean just in general or in the US?

In general. You can first generation in any country if the above applies.

Frankly speaking, there are no "normal" Americans. Everyone immigrated at one point, but if you're mixed race or culture from several centuries of a family (ex. anyone directly related to General Robert E. Lee or Ulysses S. Grant), then it's very hard to pinpoint how many generations. I prefer saying " I'm American, but my family originated *insert country here*". It's easier that way. :)

@Lunacyde:

I never said new immigrants should be squished. I am saying that many new generations of immigrants have it made compared to previous generations.