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#51 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_arashikage: Simple... I didn't look into this case. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin. He shot him and it was justified. The woman here claims she was in danger. A history of domestic violence doesn't suggest he was going to beat her. The way I see it is, she doesn't have sufficient evidence to prove he was going to attack her.

#52 Posted by M3th (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't she leave the house went to her car, got her gun, and then walked back inside to hive him some warning shots?

#53 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@cezar_thescribe: I don't think you understand what I'm saying. That "petition" is a waste of time.

I do understand. You don't.

An online petition is just as good as anything.

Talk to a lawyer or the people who run the site.

#54 Posted by Charlemagne (6969 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

A history of domestic violence doesn't suggest he was going to beat her.

Actually thats exactly what it suggests. We can apply this same logic to Zimmerman. Just cause you follow someone around and instigate an ass whooping doesnt suggest your life is in danger. Fist < Gun. I dont know how anyone could sell that a woman who was a documented victim of domestic violence was in less danger then an armed man who outweighed his attacker by a hundred pounds. Again, that logic escapes me. But its your opinion and I'm not looking to change it.

#55 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_arashikage: The Zimmerman situation is irrelevant. Her husband was not on top of her. If someone's beating you into the concrete, then you have the right to assume your life is in danger. If she felt threatened, then she can call the cops.

#56 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@cezar_thescribe: Yes... because a hundred fake accounts is the same as 100 actual people. It's useless.

#57 Posted by MagnificentStorm (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: In his statement he said that if she didnt have the gun he would have put his hands on her. An he said I have 5 baby mommas an i only havent hit one of them lol.

But then he changed it saying he lied to protect his wife yada yada yada.

I still believe 20 years is crazy

Though some lawyers said she might have been better off shooting him

#58 Edited by Charlemagne (6969 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@the_last_arashikage: The Zimmerman situation is irrelevant. Her husband was not on top of her. If someone's beating you into the concrete, then you have the right to assume your life is in danger. If she felt threatened, then she can call the cops.

If someone's beaten you before, threatens you with "If I cant have you no one can" I guess you have the right to assume they wanna take you out for ice-cream and not that your life is in danger. My bad :)

#59 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@magnificentstorm: She was offered three, but rejected it. She'll be in prison for five years max.

#60 Edited by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@cezar_thescribe: Yes... because a hundred fake accounts is the same as 100 actual people. It's useless.

Not at all. You know nothing about sites like that, or the law. Talk to a lawyer or the people that run the site.

#61 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (25556 posts) - - Show Bio

smh 20 years is way too harsh.

#62 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5536 posts) - - Show Bio

Double standard, racism and its Florida so how could you expect something different? That's a perfect example of "Stand Your Ground" not applying to certain people.

#63 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_arashikage: But, she can't prove it.

@cezar_thescribe: Sorry, I just have common sense. Good day.

#64 Edited by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio
#65 Edited by Charlemagne (6969 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikethekiller: Truth be told as soon as I saw the title of this thread I knew the mom was going to be black and I knew regardless of the story that it was going to feel (to me) like racism.

@awesam: We shall just have to agree to disagree :)

#66 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio
#67 Edited by Charlemagne (6969 posts) - - Show Bio
#68 Posted by MagnificentStorm (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: She was offered three, but rejected it. She'll be in prison for five years max.

Well when someone believe/knows they're innocent they don't want to take any jail time no matter how short. Of course in hindsight if she knew she would get convicted either way im sure she would have took the 3. But the court I believe made it a mandatory 20 years.

#69 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_arashikage: Very well. I respect your opinion. I just hold the law in higher regards to morals.

#70 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio
#71 Posted by tupiaz (2227 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@russellmania77: She fired a gun... This isn't a movie, there are laws. Doing what she did could result in reckless endangerment, battery, or even involuntary manslaughter. A warning shot was unnecessary. If she felt threatened and it was reasonable, then she should have shot him.

Well she didn't.Also a warning shot is much better (if it works instead of shooting people). Comparing this to the Zimmerman it is for me clear who did the right thing and who didn't. Sadly the jury didn't agree.

#72 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio
#73 Edited by Nefarious (21281 posts) - - Show Bio

This is all about Self-Defense.

#74 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@cezar_thescribe: No, I just don't like talking to you.

No, you don't like the truth. Also, you're the one who started talking to me.

Now scroll up and look at the link in my last comment.

#75 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@magnificentstorm: For now, but people will protest and her husband will probably beat another woman, plus good behaviour. Things change further down the road.

#76 Posted by MagnificentStorm (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: For now, but people will protest and her husband will probably beat another woman, plus good behaviour. Things change further down the road.

They could but more than likely because of the Zimmerman case an how Stand your ground was applied to that case. Who knows

#77 Edited by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground is a stupid law and it's hardly relevant to the Zimmerman case. It was self-defense, plain and simple. The woman here could have called the cops or run. Neither cases have to do with race, also.

@cezar_thescribe: See... that's why I was asking you about it and whether or not people actually sign it.

#78 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground is a stupid law and it's hardly relevant to the Zimmerman case. It was self-defense, plain and simple. The woman here could have called the cops or run. Neither cases have to do with race, also.

@cezar_thescribe: See... that's why I was asking you about it and whether or not people actually sign it.

I told you they do.

#79 Edited by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio
#80 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@cezar_thescribe: No, you said "either works". Only actual signatures work.

No, I said, either an online or offline petition will work.

#81 Posted by MagnificentStorm (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground is a stupid law and it's hardly relevant to the Zimmerman case. It was self-defense, plain and simple. The woman here could have called the cops or run. Neither cases have to do with race, also.

@cezar_thescribe: See... that's why I was asking you about it and whether or not people actually sign it.

I told you they do.

The law was very relevant within the case it was brought up idk how many times. A lot don't like it because its very confusing an get applying in different ways.

I don't think someone is going to be trying to call the cops with the big person treating to hurt them lol I thinking about how im going to get out or fight back. Also she stated he was blocking the door so she was unable to get pass him to run.

An like it or not both cases in a sense do have to with race because they both stirred up a lot of racial tension an problem again lol

#82 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground applies to Trayvon Marton, who's dead. Zimmerman was within self-defense alone. People bring up race because they when someone kills a person of their ethnicity, it's a hate crime.

@cezar_thescribe: No, you said "either works" in response to me asking whether they sign it, or just click a button.

#83 Edited by Cezar_TheScribe (2615 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground applies to Trayvon Marton, who's dead. Zimmerman was within self-defense alone. People bring up race because they when someone kills a person of their ethnicity, it's a hate crime.

@cezar_thescribe: No, you said "either works" in response to me asking whether they sign it, or just click a button.

@cezar_thescribe said:

@awesam said:

@cezar_thescribe: No, you said "either works". Only actual signatures work.

No, I said, either an online or offline petition will work.

#84 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2864 posts) - - Show Bio
#86 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

Do any of you people who are against the Stand Your Ground laws know what it was put on the books?

I am going to assume not and tell you why, because people were being convicted of wrongful deaths of intruders into their own homes because they could have retreated from their houses. Yes the courts said that if you're house was being robbed you should leave, call the police, and let the intruder do what they want. If it wasn't for SYG criminals could take civil action against a home owner who defended their property and family and then it was extended to other locations because you shouldn't have to retreat from an assailant in public places. So please if you're going to complain about the law knowing something about it.

#87 Posted by MagnificentStorm (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@magnificentstorm: Stand your ground applies to Trayvon Marton, who's dead. Zimmerman was within self-defense alone. People bring up race because they when someone kills a person of their ethnicity, it's a hate crime.

@cezar_thescribe: No, you said "either works" in response to me asking whether they sign it, or just click a button.

But again it the law was brought up in the case plenty of times.

I don't think a lot of people think this was a hate crime more along the lines of they believe that Trayvon didn't win because he was black an was stereotyped yada yada yada. which then rolled over to black people saying the justice system is unfair to them.

#88 Edited by BadVoodoo (381 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_arashikage said:

@awesam said:

@the_last_arashikage: I don't get it. I'm just telling him it's useless.

Not the petition. The 360 from your stance on the Zimm case to this one. She was getting beat, she fired, went to jail. You say justice. Zimm was getting beat, fired, killed a person, got off with no jail time, you call that justice. I dont see the logic....

Honestly, this is a capital WHAT THE FUCK!? Iv heard about this on the Daily show, took around 20 minutes to convict her. I have no FUCKEN idea why a mother getting beaten is going to jail for firing a warning shot. It irritates the hell out of me knowing the hubby is sitting at home, drinking a beer while laughing his ass off at her. FUCK that judge, FUCK that jury, FUCK Florida.

What a bunch of bullshit.

#89 Posted by drgnx (3565 posts) - - Show Bio

Not racist, just stupidity! The laws need to be updated.

#90 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean she should have shot him, but it's stupid how she's going to jail

#91 Posted by OblivionKnight (3356 posts) - - Show Bio

@nova_prime_: this doesn't make it any less flawed. Maybe a little more understandable, but still fairly flawed.

#92 Posted by pooty (11379 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think people read the whole story. This was not stand your ground nor was it self defense. Everyone was in the house. He wouldn't leave. so she "pushed" past him and went into the garage. HE STAYED IN THE HOUSE!!! She came BACK IN and fired bullets. You don't push someone you are scared of. and once you are out of the house, you don't go back in to where the person is. 20yrs is WAY WAY too much. but she has no defense in this case

#93 Edited by Beefcake_Maximus (10 posts) - - Show Bio

You cant claim self defense when you leave the area of danger and then return with a weapon.

#94 Posted by Hanson724 (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Except for a few people who I can tell read about this case it seems like most of you are having ill informed knee-jerk reactions. Twenty years may be excessive but thats due to mandatory sentencing laws, Not racism or 'stand your ground' laws or an incompetent judge. She fired the gun when there were kids in the house and she was under no threat and she wasn't getting beaten like some of you think. If she was being beat she would of shot the dude not fire a warning shot. I feel bad for those kids.

http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida