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#1 Edited by russellmania77 (15021 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty. He is a man who took his minor Job to seriously and it resulted in the death of a child

#2 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2309 posts) - - Show Bio

Innocent.

#3 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10877 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty. He is a man who took his minor Job to seriously and it resulted in the death of a child

#4 Posted by wario1988 (990 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5019 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure. Need all the facts and evidence first.

#6 Edited by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77: Oh, so people should be arrested for taking their jobs seriously.

Innocent. From my point of view, Trayvon attacked him and he defended himself.

#7 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5521 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: He followed the kid. After Tray was already leaving the area, and multiple people, including The kids girlfriend heard Zimmerman herrassing Him. Also he outweighed the kid by a few hundred pounds, and why get out of his truck with the gun in the first place?

#8 Edited by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

His girlfriend keeps changing her story. Zimmerman was suspicious of him. What if Martin had a gun? It doesn't matter why and we probably won't find out what actually happened, but all the evidence points to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

#9 Posted by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

Zimmerman is guilty of being nosey or overly concerned. He followed and maybe even questioned martin. An argument may have resulted. But I believe the first physical attacks was initiated by Martin. I think it was self defense at best. At worst it was manslaughter. NEVER MURDER

#10 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

At the end of the day we can all agree he is guilty of being a douche bag cop.

It is possible to goat someone into aggressive action just to give yourself an excuse to act violently. I've seen police officers do it in the town where I'm from. It's despicable.

#11 Posted by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

@glitch_spawn: At the end of the day we can all agree he is guilty of being a douche bag cop

1000000000000% agree. he started this. in this case I wish being a douche bag was a illegal offense.

It is possible to goat someone into aggressive action just to give yourself an excuse to act violently

That is true also. STILL, no matter what is said, you have to make sure that you don't initiate physical contact. The problem with this case is, is that the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman attacked first. Since Trayvon is dead and can't tell his story, i don't see the prosecution being able to do that.

#12 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@glitch_spawn: At the end of the day we can all agree he is guilty of being a douche bag cop

1000000000000% agree. he started this. in this case I wish being a douche bag was a illegal offense.

It is possible to goat someone into aggressive action just to give yourself an excuse to act violently

That is true also. STILL, no matter what is said, you have to make sure that you don't initiate physical contact. The problem with this case is, is that the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman attacked first. Since Trayvon is dead and can't tell his story, i don't see the prosecution being able to do that.

tips hat

#13 Posted by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@glitch_spawn: At the end of the day we can all agree he is guilty of being a douche bag cop

1000000000000% agree. he started this. in this case I wish being a douche bag was a illegal offense.

It is possible to goat someone into aggressive action just to give yourself an excuse to act violently

That is true also. STILL, no matter what is said, you have to make sure that you don't initiate physical contact. The problem with this case is, is that the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman attacked first. Since Trayvon is dead and can't tell his story, i don't see the prosecution being able to do that.

tips hat

That is my point from a legal stand point. from a human stand point, i hope they get him on something. This is 100% his fault and he deserves some further punishment.

#14 Posted by Nefarious (19761 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm on the fence. But, I would like to see the evidence in the case to make a honest decision.

#15 Edited by Joygirl (19446 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty. As a policeman he's trusted with a firearm because he is trained to be responsible in its use. This occurance in a violation of this trust put in him, and, again, as a policeman, he needs to hold responsibility for that breach.

#16 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (17884 posts) - - Show Bio

#17 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:

But I believe the first physical attacks was initiated by Martin.

@awesam said:

but all the evidence points to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

I have absolutely no doubts Martin attacked Zimmerman. The issue here is - I wouldn't blame him. Zimmerman was following him, had a gun and Martin had done nothing wrong warranting a stranger pursuing him - at that point it is completely human to fight back when you can't flee.

What would most of us had done in the same circumstances?

#18 Edited by Farkam (4884 posts) - - Show Bio

Zimmerman should have kept his distance and stayed in his truck. I don't think Zimmerman was doing this with a racial motivation, and I don't think he is a bad person. Just not very smart maybe.

#19 Edited by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: The LAW does not take into account what people WOULD do. It goes by what people SHOULD do. yes, trayvon did what we all would have done. but according to the LAW, Trayvon should have RAN AWAY or called the police himself. He should have ran....according to the LAW.

@joygirl said:

Guilty. As a policeman he's trusted with a firearm because he is trained to be responsible in its use. This occurance in a violation of this trust put in him, and, again, as a policeman, he needs to hold responsibility for that breach.

The saddest part is....... Zimmerman was NOT EVER a policeman. He was neighborhood watch. He called the police. the police told him they would send someone out. They told him to sit his a$$ down and wait. He went against their advice. Trayvon ended up dead.

@farkam said:

Zimmerman should have kept his distance and stayed in his truck. I don't think Zimmerman was doing this with a racial motivation, and I don't think he is a bad person. Just not very smart maybe.

I'm not sure about that. If it were a white male in a business suit this never would have happened. Zimmerman was stereotyping because of his color and way of dressing

#20 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@isaac_clarke: The LAW does not take into account what people WOULD do. It goes by what people SHOULD do. yes, trayvon did what we all would have done. but according to the LAW, Trayvon should have RAN AWAY or called the police himself. He should have ran....according to the LAW.

That's what Martin initially did (Zimmerman's own words); when he did Zimmerman pursued him. Fight or flight - flight wasn't an option.

'These assholes always get away' - - -

Here's the transcript: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

@awesam said:

@isaac_clarke: Ask him what he wants.

Confusing response.

#22 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: Guy follows me. I'm going to ask him what he wants. Why he's following me.

#23 Posted by Extremis (3344 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've heard/read he's guilty.

#24 Posted by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: I just read the entire transcript. Trayvon fled initially. George followed.That is where the transcript ends. It doesn't say or imply that trayvon was trapped or couldn't run again or that he couldn't call the police. it only says that George continued to follow him. By law no matter how much a person follows you or questions you, you CAN NOT put your hands on someone.

#25 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (17884 posts) - - Show Bio

By the way that post does not reflect my opinions on the matter. Just posted it for fun :)

#26 Edited by Ms. Omega (4443 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty in my book.

#27 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@isaac_clarke: I just read the entire transcript. Trayvon fled initially. George followed.That is where the transcript ends. It doesn't say or imply that trayvon was trapped or couldn't run again or that he couldn't call the police. it only says that George continued to follow him. By law no matter how much a person follows you or questions you, you CAN NOT put your hands on someone.

He was running and Zimmerman refused to let him go - running isn't an option if your pursuer won't allow you to escape. That's what I'm getting at - clearly he couldn't get away given Zimmerman wouldn't let him run. Someone is chasing after him - he doesn't know why or who - simply a stranger is trying to apprehend him. Trayvon did what most of us naturally would do in that situation - defend himself.

Now I'm not aware of what qualifies as self-defense in Florida law, but that doesn't matter since I'm not aware of who threw the first punch. All I know Zimmerman's the one that chose to chase, confront and ultimately shoot Martin dead. Martin himself was the victim.

#28 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@isaac_clarke: Guy follows me. I'm going to ask him what he wants. Why he's following me.

He isn't following you - he's chasing you through town. He was following you in a truck, on the phone - you ran and he got out to chase you on foot. You run until he confronts you.

#29 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: I would again ask him what he wants. Either that, or call the police. I wouldn't attack him like an animal. I think you're getting it wrong. The other side says Zimmerman walked after him and Martin assaulted him.

#30 Edited by Royal_Rumble_Man (513 posts) - - Show Bio

Excessive self defense

In hindsight even if he had the right to attack he should aim at the knees or the legs instead of the fatal shot

#31 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@isaac_clarke: I would again ask him what he wants. Either that, or call the police. I wouldn't attack him like an animal. I think you're getting it wrong. The other side says Zimmerman walked after him and Martin assaulted him.

The expression 'like an animal' when we are in-fact animals is always a fun treat; the other side is conflicting with what Zimmerman told the police over the phone. Trayvon is running from a man following him in a truck, a man who exits that truck to confront Martin. There is no way this story ends with Zimmerman being a victim when he's instigating this entire event.

'These assholes always get away' - that is the mentality of the man who chased and fatally shot Martin. He knew nothing about this boy, not even a name - simply he was wearing a hoodie and carrying something. To Zimmerman - Martin was guilty, I'll repay Zimmerman in kind by saying the same of him based off the information we all already privy of - especially the words that came out of his mouth.

#32 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty as balls.

#33 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: I really don't care about either of them. I just think Trayvon is most likely at fault.

#34 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (24137 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis said:

From what I've heard/read he's guilty.

#35 Edited by Dabee (2387 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't there, and I haven't extensively studied the evidence. So really I can't know, just like none of us can. And unfortunately, we can only hear testimony from one of the involved parties.

#36 Posted by russellmania77 (15021 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam: what if he had a gun? Does that mean kill him? Because this man was suspicious of him by how he looked. From my point of view he is guilty

#37 Edited by Outside_85 (8712 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with guilty. Even if he's employed to watch over a gated community , it sounds to me as Zimmerman sought the confrontation out and evidently assumed Trayvon was a hoodlum and was going to prove it. (Bear in mind all of this happened inside a gated community... being non-American I assume that means the only way in or out of it is through a guarded gate.)

#38 Posted by w0nd (3281 posts) - - Show Bio

So what happened to all that talk about him being hit in the head as well, but there was no actual head trauma found?

#39 Posted by nerdork (4038 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Zimmerman is, at the very least, a terrible cop, and maybe a worse person. But, the burden of proof is put upon the prosecution, and until I see irrefutable evidence that proves Zimmerman acted in aggression first, my opnion (or anybody's for that matter) on the situation amounts to nothing. Though, I firmly believe that anyone who abuses their power, in a position of acute authority, and that abuse results in the needless death of another, need to be punished to the full extent of the law. In this case; if Zimmerman is truly guilty, he should be put in a deep hole filled with an asortment bloodsucking flora and flesh eating fauna.

#40 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Not completely sure yet, but I will say this: he did not have to go for a fatal shot. So I will go with @pooty. at least manslaughter.

#41 Posted by pooty (11031 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerdork: I think Zimmerman is, at the very least, a terrible cop, and maybe a worse person

Zimmerman was NEVER a cop. Just a nosey, overly agressive neighborhood watch. He applied for cop school and was rejected.

@pooty said:

@isaac_clarke: I just read the entire transcript. Trayvon fled initially. George followed.That is where the transcript ends. It doesn't say or imply that trayvon was trapped or couldn't run again or that he couldn't call the police. it only says that George continued to follow him. By law no matter how much a person follows you or questions you, you CAN NOT put your hands on someone.

He was running and Zimmerman refused to let him go - running isn't an option if your pursuer won't allow you to escape. That's what I'm getting at - clearly he couldn't get away given Zimmerman wouldn't let him run. Someone is chasing after him - he doesn't know why or who - simply a stranger is trying to apprehend him. Trayvon did what most of us naturally would do in that situation - defend himself.

Now I'm not aware of what qualifies as self-defense in Florida law, but that doesn't matter since I'm not aware of who threw the first punch. All I know Zimmerman's the one that chose to chase, confront and ultimately shoot Martin dead. Martin himself was the victim.

Things Trayvon Martin could have done differently:

1) He had time to call his girlfriend. He should have called the police if he felt as threatened as you say he was. You don't call your girlfriend when you are threatened. you call the police.

2) Run some more.Faster. Trayvon was not trapped. Where does it say he was trapped with no where to run? Am I to think that this 17 yr old healthy child couldn't out run that over weight Zimmerman? If Trayvon goes full sprint there is no way Zimmerman can keep up.

If the defense can prove Trayvon was trapped with no way out, then great. I don't think it happened that way. Trayvon was aware he was being followed but didn't feel threatened enough to call the cops or go full sprint. He is 17yrs old. he probably felt he could beat this dude if needed. I think he told the dude to leave him alone. when Zimmerman didn't, trayvon got mad and attacked. Please note I am in no way condoning what Zimmerman did. I wish they could get him with 1st MURDER. But since trayvon can't tell his side of the story, at best Zimmerman will get manslaughter. but since they are charging him with 2nd degree murder. I think he will walk free. Not enough evidence to get him with any degree of murder.

@awesam: what if he had a gun? Does that mean kill him? Because this man was suspicious of him by how he looked. From my point of view he is guilty

Agreed. but is he guilty from a legal point of view?

#42 Edited by Farkam (4884 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@isaac_clarke: The LAW does not take into account what people WOULD do. It goes by what people SHOULD do. yes, trayvon did what we all would have done. but according to the LAW, Trayvon should have RAN AWAY or called the police himself. He should have ran....according to the LAW.

@joygirl said:

Guilty. As a policeman he's trusted with a firearm because he is trained to be responsible in its use. This occurance in a violation of this trust put in him, and, again, as a policeman, he needs to hold responsibility for that breach.

The saddest part is....... Zimmerman was NOT EVER a policeman. He was neighborhood watch. He called the police. the police told him they would send someone out. They told him to sit his a$$ down and wait. He went against their advice. Trayvon ended up dead.

@farkam said:

Zimmerman should have kept his distance and stayed in his truck. I don't think Zimmerman was doing this with a racial motivation, and I don't think he is a bad person. Just not very smart maybe.

I'm not sure about that. If it were a white male in a business suit this never would have happened. Zimmerman was stereotyping because of his color and way of dressing

Of course, white men in business suits are not known to commit crimes like that as much as young men dressed in hoods and thuggish clothing. With that having been said, I could say Trayvon was equally stupid as Zimm'. Two stupid people making poor decisions which ended in tragedy.

#43 Posted by russellmania77 (15021 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: that has yet to be decided by his piers

#44 Edited by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

It was manslaughter. I felt he pushed the line as a cop. If he followed the kid on his truck the whole time, then chased him? I couldn't blame Trayvon for being defensive. Do I believe Trayvon was a completely innocent little kid? Nope. Do I believe Zimmerman had the right to do what he did? Hell no.

I think he's guilty all the way. There was a million better ways to handle the situation. He chose killing the kid. Punishment should be dealt.

Can''t believe people are actually trying to defend this guy. Society = Stupid.

#45 Edited by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

It was manslaughter. I felt he pushed the line as a cop. If he followed the kid on his truck the whole time, then chased him? I couldn't blame Trayvon for being defensive. Do I believe Trayvon was a completely innocent little kid? Nope. Do I believe Zimmerman had the right to do what he did? Hell no.

I think he's guilty all the way. There was a million better ways to handle the situation. He chose killing the kid. Punishment should be dealt.

Can''t believe people are actually trying to defend this guy. Society = Stupid.

You understand sideburns...you understand.

#46 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

Voted Guilty.

#47 Edited by InnerSuperman (858 posts) - - Show Bio

he is a racist pig and a murderer

people are so stupid.

#48 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Guilty or innocent he has a best selling book in his future.

#49 Edited by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

Choosing to get into the truck to follow this kid while packing a gun and ignoring the police telling you to stop? Getting out of the vehicle? With the gun?

Manslaughter at minimum.

#50 Edited by RedLantern23 (884 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone keep saying Zimmerman was a cop? He NEVER was. He was a member of the neighborhood watch, nothing more.

Anyway, he is guilty. He instigated the event. He kept pursuing Martin after the 9-11 dispatcher told him not to. He got out of his car for christ sakes.