#1 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or did Ironman seem weaker in the third movie? I feel like his strength and abilities were downplayed.

#2 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm, that's a good question. Anyone with solid Ironman knowledge?

#3 Posted by DH69 (4193 posts) - - Show Bio

yes his suits should've been able to rip the bad guys apart i blame this primarily on the Mk.42 cause it royally sucked i almost yelled with joy when he so casually blew it up, i've hated it since the moment it was revealed

#4 Posted by nappystr8 (1156 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, he might have been a little weaker, sometimes it would vary from scene to scene, but nothing that seemed like a significant depowerment. The biggest thing was probably that the villains in the film are considerably more powerful than anything Tony had faced previously (other than Thor of course).

#5 Edited by Ninjablade09 (3194 posts) - - Show Bio

The armors did seem like they did. They were destroyed in seconds by the extremis soldiers. The Mark 42 didn't seem like it could do crap, was basically worth less of an armor and the whole Its a prototype explanation is lame because all the others worked fine even the mark 5 and the mark 6 and 7 with all their features are still better than marks 9-42.

#7 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

The new armor was easily one of the most disappointing aspects of the movie. Aside from the fact that it looks hideous, it seemed pretty faulty. I was really let down that the new armor wasn't the Extremis armor of the comics - giving Tony superhuman abilities and brain operation levels. Especially after the awesome performance of the heavy-combat Mark 7 armor.

But all that being said....it did serve many plot points in the movie, so I can't complain there. And the armor had some Extremis aspects...namely the remote control and the separate plates combining. And the whole point of the movie was kinda that Tony was still Iron Man without the suit - and the lack of that I guess, is sort of the point.

#8 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18802 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

The new armor was easily one of the most disappointing aspects of the movie. Aside from the fact that it looks hideous, it seemed pretty faulty. I was really let down that the new armor wasn't the Extremis armor of the comics - giving Tony superhuman abilities and brain operation levels. Especially after the awesome performance of the heavy-combat Mark 7 armor.

But all that being said....it did serve many plot points in the movie, so I can't complain there. And the armor had some Extremis aspects...namely the remote control and the separate plates combining. And the whole point of the movie was kinda that Tony was still Iron Man without the suit - and the lack of that I guess, is sort of the point.

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#9 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7043 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony was using a prototype during the whole movie. I believe Jarvis said in the beginning that the armor was never combat ready. Also all the Iron Men suits he had in the end were built hastily. I doubt they were comparable to the ones he used in previous movies and the Avengers. The armors were by far, much weaker than his previous incarnations. Their durability were not great at all. People say that the Extremis soldiers were super strong, but I think it was more along the lines that all of Tony's armors were prototypes. Also, no one seems to mention that they were operated by Jarvis, so were like mentally deficient in combat. I mean it's beyond me why you would not use flight to your advantage and bombard the entire area from the sky lmao.

#10 Posted by The Stegman (26061 posts) - - Show Bio

Well yeah, he was essentially fighting with a non combat ready prototype for the entire film.

#11 Posted by Extremis (3363 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep. Apparently Tony can't make good suits anymore. It was out of character for him to have such a shitty prototype and cheapened the whole concept of Tony ever-increasing the performance of his suits. The Mark 1 was better than the Mark 42. at least Mk 1 kicked ass.

Also He's so anxious over the events in the Avengers that he has to make a heavy lifting suit? Wtf. Doesn't make any sense. He would be creating more advanced battle armors. Or how about highlighting a deep space armor and connecting it to his issues with going through a black hole (so that he could now sustain such travel) and introduce the Guardians of the Galaxy in the post credits hmm?

#12 Edited by Saren (25117 posts) - - Show Bio

It did kind of seem like his suits were getting punched through like they were made of wet paper.

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#13 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23001 posts) - - Show Bio

whatever, it was the best Ironman movie

#14 Edited by The Stegman (26061 posts) - - Show Bio

whatever, it was the best Ironman movie

second best, it still pales in comparison to the first.

#15 Posted by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

#16 Edited by Mortium (666 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

This.

#17 Edited by The Stegman (26061 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

...Touche. Tony Stark and the Avengers was indeed the best.

#18 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23001 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

whatever, it was the best Ironman movie

second best, it still pales in comparison to the first.

ehh, the second one was ehh, and the first one was okay. I thought the ending fight was kinda lame.

#19 Edited by TDK_1997 (15093 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he did.Through the whole home except from falling apart,his new costume didn't do any significant.I was really disappointed from the portrayal of the armors.

#20 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony was using a prototype during the whole movie. I believe Jarvis said in the beginning that the armor was never combat ready. Also all the Iron Men suits he had in the end were built hastily. I doubt they were comparable to the ones he used in previous movies and the Avengers. The armors were by far, much weaker than his previous incarnations. Their durability were not great at all. People say that the Extremis soldiers were super strong, but I think it was more along the lines that all of Tony's armors were prototypes. Also, no one seems to mention that they were operated by Jarvis, so were like mentally deficient in combat. I mean it's beyond me why you would not use flight to your advantage and bombard the entire area from the sky lmao.

Well yeah, he was essentially fighting with a non combat ready prototype for the entire film.

This.

#21 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7510 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

really?

#22 Posted by The Stegman (26061 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

really?

#23 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

Actually, not to be nit-picky, but someone actually did the tallying for each character's screentime. Turns out Cap gets like 1 minute more than Tony :P

#24 Posted by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Yup, in fact they're a bit worried that a lot of the Original cast won't come back for Avengers 2 unless Marvel cuts them a better deal.

#25 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7510 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Chris Evans is the only one they know for sure is coming back for the time being.

#27 Edited by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

WHAT he got paid 50 mill? That is dumb, he wasn't that much more important than the others.

#28 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6469 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

@weaponx: That's why the rest of the cast is pissed.

#30 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely seemed weak! I left the theater thinking he was a much physically weaker hero then I'd ever seen him before. All his armors were taken out very easily ( I HATE that they didn't take a couple of minutes to show the differences among the armors). Also, who knew that if you heat up the hand of War Machine the armor shuts down....

#31 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: I didn't know anything about it. I would be pretty mad too, and that seems very unreasonable... kind of makes me like RDJ a little less.

#32 Posted by Uncanny_Doom (481 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the inconsistent writing of the movie on top of making Tony so dependent on others did make the suit seem weaker, and even made Tony seem less intelligent.

@veshark said:

@joshmightbe said:

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

Actually, not to be nit-picky, but someone actually did the tallying for each character's screentime. Turns out Cap gets like 1 minute more than Tony :P

He got 41 seconds more. =P

#33 Posted by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

@weaponx: Apparently he's holding out on deciding whether or not he'll be in Avengers 2 since he's already renegotiating his contract after IM3. Basically even he knows its bulls**t and is siding with the rest of the cast. I believe Chris Evans is only guaranteed because he'd have to hire a lawyer to get out of it and no sane person chooses to get in a legal battle with Disney.

#34 Edited by joshmightbe (24764 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't really be mad at RDJ for taking the 50 mill because seriously who in their right mind would turn down a 50 million dollar check?

#35 Edited by SavageDragon (2252 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

The new armor was easily one of the most disappointing aspects of the movie. Aside from the fact that it looks hideous, it seemed pretty faulty. I was really let down that the new armor wasn't the Extremis armor of the comics - giving Tony superhuman abilities and brain operation levels. Especially after the awesome performance of the heavy-combat Mark 7 armor.

But all that being said....it did serve many plot points in the movie, so I can't complain there. And the armor had some Extremis aspects...namely the remote control and the separate plates combining. And the whole point of the movie was kinda that Tony was still Iron Man without the suit - and the lack of that I guess, is sort of the point.

This

agreed.

#36 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Edited by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

And I forgot, the newest armor looked pretty bad. When I first saw the concept, I thought, 'no way. they will change it. its awful.' And they didnt.

#38 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, it wasn't just his newest armor but his other models too. Those extremis guys were packing more heat than tank rounds and Thor's lightning from the Avengers and the first Iron Man movie? I find that hard to believe.

#39 Edited by Necrotic_Lycanthrope (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

Could it be that the reason he crapped out in the film was due to PTSD driven insomnia from the end fight in The Avengers? (although to be honest I thought it was weak to try to shove PTSD from that fight. Tony looked like the one having the least amount of mental scarring of the group, even with the "falling from grace" dimension rift.)

#40 Posted by Teerack (7455 posts) - - Show Bio

I think you might have missed the entire point of the movie...

#41 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

I think you might have missed the entire point of the movie...

I understood what the movie was trying to do in bringing out the human side of Ironman and show that Stark is still him with or without the suit etc. But they could of accomplished this without massively downgrading the power of his armor. Whether or not the suits aside from the mk.42 were all hastily built models is ambiguous in nature.

#42 Edited by Teerack (7455 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideypresence said:

@teerack said:

I think you might have missed the entire point of the movie...

I understood what the movie was trying to do in bringing out the human side of Ironman and show that Stark is still him with or without the suit etc. But they could of accomplished this without massively downgrading the power of his armor. Whether or not the suits aside from the mk.42 were all hastily built models is ambiguous in nature.

Well he was also fighting people with extremis and in the comics ironman was a total push over before upgrading himself with extremis when he tried to fight the guy with extremis.

#43 Edited by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@spideypresence said:

@teerack said:

I think you might have missed the entire point of the movie...

I understood what the movie was trying to do in bringing out the human side of Ironman and show that Stark is still him with or without the suit etc. But they could of accomplished this without massively downgrading the power of his armor. Whether or not the suits aside from the mk.42 were all hastily built models is ambiguous in nature.

Well he was also fighting people with extremis and in the comics ironman was a total push over before upgrading himself with extremis when he tried to fight the guy with extremis.

Well this is true, but Idk it just seemed like his early suits packed more power.

#44 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

It seemed that way because the Mark 42 was still in prototype phase.

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#45 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35130 posts) - - Show Bio

@weaponx said:

@joshmightbe said:

@the_stegman: Actually Avengers was the best Iron Man movie, for anyone who doubts that remember that RDJ got paid more than the Director did for that. He got 50 million while the rest of the cast got 200 grand each and he had more screen time than any of them.

WHAT he got paid 50 mill? That is dumb, he wasn't that much more important than the others.

RDJ had a contract stating that if there was ever an Avengers movie he would get a certain percentage of the cash it generated and since Avengers smashed all kinds of box office records his pay worked out to be 50 mill

#46 Posted by VonBarras (18 posts) - - Show Bio

He was so much weaker in movie 3 because of the events of Avengers

He also should have called the Avengers to help him and given us some cameos

#47 Edited by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the third sucked to be honest. People were telling me that his IM3 armor was better than Mark VII, but it wasn't. *SPOILER WARNING* I thought it was kinda stupid that he's going toe to toe with Gods in Avengers, and all of a sudden a couple of freaking genetically modified humans are ripping his armor apart. And I was continuously disappointed by the Mark 42, which couldn't even achieve liftoff half the time and literally fell to pieces at the end. I understand that it was meant to be comic relief when it shattered accidentally while it was flying towards him, but I thought they wasted a chance at an awesome fight scene.

Oh, and I grow tired of how he can't beat the final villain on his own. Obadiah would've killed him if not for Pepper, Whiplash was tossing him around for fun at the end of IM2, and once again he needed Pepper to save him against Mandarin.

#48 Edited by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

@weaponx said:

Definitely seemed weak! I left the theater thinking he was a much physically weaker hero then I'd ever seen him before. All his armors were taken out very easily ( I HATE that they didn't take a couple of minutes to show the differences among the armors). Also, who knew that if you heat up the hand of War Machine the armor shuts down....

AMEN!!!! That was a huge wtf moment for me.

#49 Edited by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000: Glad I wasn't the only one!

@jonny_anonymous: Yeah, I looked that up afterwards. Thanks though. It makes more sense now, but, it would also make sense that the other actors involved do the same thing. Marvel/Disney should accept, since there making a BILLION dollars anyways. Either that, or change RDJ contract, which I've heard rumors about.

#50 Posted by SpidermanWins (3963 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark 42 was a prototype and so it wasn't armed with any advanced weaponry yet (or the ability to fly) and it wasn't as strong because... well think about it. It can fly onto him, It seemed lighter. DAMMIT TONY JUST USE THE MARK 8!!!