@ccraft said:
@batwatch said:
It would weed out a lot of stupid and douchey people. Personally, I'm glad Alexander Hamilton caught a bullet. (though he was a very intelligent douche) I wish Andrew Jackson would have caught a bullet too in one of his many duels. He could have cried a Trail of Tears as they dragged him to his deathbed.
What about people who challenge someone who didn't want to due?
I'm mostly joking about supporting dueling. I would have to give it some thought. However, dueling, as I understand it, was always a voluntary thing. You were not forced to duel in the European/American model.
@dngn4774 said:
@batwatch: I get why some people may not like his left wing policies (well what would be considered leftist now), but sex scandals...really? Anti-federalists enjoyed smearing his name with the Reynolds scandal (which he publicly admitted to when confronted on it, as if that actually had anything to do with his politics as opposed to b*llsh*t puritanical shaming) even though they followed Thomas Jefferson, a man who did the same thing (arguably worse because he produced illegitimate children with his slave which were not acknowledged as his own until centuries after his death) in secret.
To review, I said he was a douchebag for being a manipulative, slimy politician who used smear campaigns constantly. He also betrayed the limited government principles he espoused as soon as the power was in his hands. Finally, he cheated on his wife with another man's wife and bribed the guy to keep quiet. If any of those moves seem non-douche to you, feel free to defend them rather than bring up what the other side did.
Yes, the Democratic Republicans shamed him for cheating on his wife with another man's wife. He fully deserved it.
Jefferson has a checky romantic history as well, and I do not defend his bad actions, but you seem to be a little misinformed about it. Jefferson definitely tried to come between a man and his wife when he tried to get one of his friend's wives as a young man. To her credit, she shot him down. After Jefferson's wife died, Jefferson met Maria Cosway, a married woman, who many have speculated had an affair with him though there is no proof. Other than Sally Hemmings, those are the only sexual misconduct allegations.
With Sally Hemmings, it's quite possible, maybe probable, that he did have sexual relations with her. The genetics prove that someone from the Jefferson family had sexual relations with Sally Hemmings, but Thomas Jefferson was not the only Jefferson man at the time near Miss Hemmings, so it's not a certain thing at all.
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