Posted by Paracelsus (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes you read things that make you want to laugh out loud, such as in yesterday's Times( www.thetimes.co.uk, January 4, 2014). In a short article entitled "Rich protest Pope Francis's "Marxism", it appears that wealthy Catholic businessmen are hesitating to support Church run projects such as the renovation of St.Patrick's RC Cathedral (the flagship of the Archdiocese of New York) because they take issue with Pope Francis's sharp criticism of unfettered laissez faire capitalism in his new encyclical "The Joy Of The Gospel"- some critics(such as Rush Limbaugh predictably) have even gone so far as to call such criticism "Marxist"( memo to Rush- the Holy Father is about as "Marxist" as Donald Duck!).

Given that concern about the least and littlest of our society has been a regular feature of Catholic moral and social teaching since not just previous encyclicals such as Pius XI's Quadresima Anno(1933) and Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum(1890) but dating back to the time of the Apostles themselves,one wonders how businessmen(and presumably women) such as Kenneth Langone(mentioned in said article) can seriously call themselves "Catholic" in good standing when they oppose Church teaching on such a fundamental matter(kind of reminds me of the late William F.Buckley's comment on Blessed John XXIII's Pacem en Terris encyclical- "Mater, yes- Magister, no!"), esp given the fact that many American Catholics are descended from poor and socially marginalized immigrants once at the lowest level of the US social "totem pole"

(though NOT as low as Native or African Americans- as James Baldwin dryly put- the negro tells you where the bottom is).

Sounds ironic that conservatives are doing in effect what they accuse liberals of- namely being "cafetaria Catholics"- pikcing and choosing which Church teachings they will follow_ I'd say that Mr Langone and his ilk are in danger of excommunicating themselves from the very Church they claim to love!

Anybody think as I do?

Terry

#1 Posted by _Zombie_ (10383 posts) - - Show Bio

Figured it was only a matter of time until some Conservative idiots started whining about Francis.

#2 Posted by Saint_Wildcard (10002 posts) - - Show Bio

Fox News would attack Jesus if he came back and ran for president.

#3 Posted by consolemaster001 (5149 posts) - - Show Bio

Hah

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#4 Posted by Paracelsus (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I think Francis is on the right track- the role of Christianity(esp Catholicism) should be to "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable" as a wag put it!

Terry

#5 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (17820 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't have to be a conservative to dislike the pope. :)

It is ironic they would call him a Marxist too. Heh heh.

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#6 Edited by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic Vine is full of liberals ripping on conservatives. 90% of conservatives aren't rich. They just don't want to sit on their lazy asses while the government gives them money. Conservatives are actually working to help the country unlike Obama and that witch... What's her name? Oh yes Hillary.

Also, I don't give a sh!t about what the pope does.

#7 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the second stupidest thing I've heard today, it would be the stupidest but I read an article earlier today where Morrissey aka the most over rated musician of all time said that eating meat was just as bad as pedophilia.

#8 Posted by MaccyD (3939 posts) - - Show Bio

Are many conservatives even Catholic? I swore most were Protestant?

#9 Edited by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@supernategames: I've always gone by the motto that if you call yourself a liberal or a conservative you're part of the problem. Almost every problem in America could be fixed if we could stop this right wing/left wing pissing contest.

#10 Edited by DarkDay (586 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@supernategames: I've always gone by the motto that if you call yourself a liberal or a conservative you're part of the problem. Almost every problem in America could be fixed if we could stop this right wing/left wing pissing contest.

Thank God that someone gets it...

If I could follow you again, I would.

#11 Posted by russellmania77 (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to leave pope Francis alone, he is a good man.

#12 Posted by Saint_Wildcard (10002 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to leave pope Francis alone, he is a good man.

I can see myself go clubbing with this pope.

#13 Edited by Captain13 (3314 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to leave pope Francis alone, he is a good man.

#14 Posted by russellmania77 (14858 posts) - - Show Bio

@saint_rog_el: you're 18, you barely know what clubbing is Lmao

#15 Posted by Saint_Wildcard (10002 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Edited by kuonphobos (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

Folks these days are so thin skinned. Seems like it is getting harder everyday to even use language as folks immediately attack their perceptions of definitions without looking at things in context.

That being said, (IMHO) it is not completely beyond the realm of possibility that the Argentine Pope Francis during his seminary days and after has studied Liberation theology which emerged from Latin America and has some similarities with the forms and principles of Marxism. Just a cursory study of the writings of Gustavo Guttierez and his subsequent influence throughout Latin America would bear this out.

Does this mean Pope Francis is a communist or even a socialist no it doesn't. But it is very probable that he is influenced by Liberation Theology.

EDIT Here is a related article

#20 Posted by Paracelsus (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Given that even Blessed John Paul II(due for sainthood on Easter Sunday of this year) hardly a dewy eyed fellow traveller, has alluded to "Marxism's kernel of truth", one wonders if Francis's critics will term the soon to be canonized Pontiff a"Red"?

Terry

#21 Edited by Dragonborn_CT (21724 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to leave pope Francis alone, he is a good man.

#22 Posted by DoomGuy (772 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the new Pope is a breath of fresh air for religion.

#23 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

#bestpopeever

#24 Posted by kuonphobos (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

Upon This Rock I Will Build My Church

For a Protestant perspective if anyone cares.

Seems to me Francis has breathed some much needed life into Catholicism.

I think that is a good thing.

#25 Edited by JeanRalphio (1842 posts) - - Show Bio

@supernategames: You're a likable guy but your view on politics is WARPED.

#26 Posted by TotalBalance (732 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how some people think Christianity supports capitalism, I mean it is Christianity after all so why not look at what Christ himself said on wealth and charity et cetera. Oh yeah that is right, they don't want to be reminded of that because Jesus advocated giving away your wealth to help the poor. They don't care for the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. There is so much suffering in the world and the wealthiest individuals hold so much wealth in their coffers, Just as Lazarus suffered greatly and the rich man easily had the means to help him but didn't. Church doctrine clearly condemns such behavior by demonstrating the rich man being sent to Hell.

#27 Edited by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanralphio:

That's why I try to stay away from political threads.

#28 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish the OP would talk about comics AT LEAST once

#29 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14594 posts) - - Show Bio

Hahahahaha....Wait, you're serious? Let me laugh harder.

#30 Edited by kuonphobos (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

@totalbalance:

Capitalism depends upon competition which seems counter intuitive to the core teachings of Christianity. However we do all have to live in the world and function within it and of all the broken systems humanity has ever developed to govern itself a democracy fueled by the engine of capitalism seem to be most functional for all involved. The Christian must balance idealism with reality.

@jonny_anonymous: I thought this was the Off-Topic forum where threads didn't have to be guided by comic book subject matter?

#31 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos: They don't but usually users at least use the other forums, the OP comes here every few weeks to talk crap about politics and politics only.

#32 Posted by kuonphobos (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos: They don't but usually users at least use the other forums, the OP comes here every few weeks to talk crap about politics and politics only.

Hmmm...that sort of describes me too only I don't often start threads. I don't think I have ever started more than seven or eight including blog entries.

But I see your point.

#33 Edited by HillbillyMorangie (927 posts) - - Show Bio

Such a good article thanks for sharing, I also enjoyed reading your opinions... I fear America is falling behind Europe morally, the Catholic Church is having to modernise to keep in touch with church goers in Italy, France, Spain, Ireland, The UK and others. It is being bombarded with people asking for sexual equality and fairness for the poor and for the church to admit when it is in the wrong. It is taking time but the Catholics are slowly catching up with the Church of England which is only slightly more progressive.

I dare say America will start it's own mega communist Christian faith soon, Christianity has more religions then any other...