CIA admits that "waterboarding" was "ineffective"

Posted by Paracelsus (1039 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Did anybody notice the news item that the CIA admitted that "waterboarding"" and other "enhanced interrogation techniques" ( read torture) used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other Al Qaeda suspects in order to elicit information as to OBL's wherabouts was "ineffective"?

I had to laugh- the savviest counter terrorist operatives almost unaminously agree as did former British Army Captain Fred Holroyd that "counter terrorism" id manifestly counter productive. Basic common sense indicates that "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"( an enterprising FBI agent reportedly coaxed more useful intel out of an AQ suspect by finding out that the latter was diabetic and offering him sugar free cookies).

Contrary to what Jack Bauer , the CTU agent in "24" or Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia might think, that has been the view of informed professionals all along- ans societies have decisively routed terrorist insurgencies without recourse to such bestial and inhumane mehtods.

After the 1978 murder of Italian politician Aldo Moro by the Red Brigades, a police chief was asked to sanction the torture of terrorist suspects- his response was apt: "Italy will survive the loss of Moro-it will NOT survive the introduction of torture!"

So why , disregarding every civilized or humane instinct dating back as far as the US War Of Independence( in which my presidential namesake George Washington expressly ordered his Continental troops to treat captured Redcoats with humanity), never mind express condmenation of not dissimilar practises by the French in colonial Algeria or us Brits in NI by US commentators or pols has the "Company" chosen to visit territory previously held by the Inquisition, , Stalin's NKVD or the Gestapo?

Dull wittedness, intellectual and moral laziness( it's easier to torture than engage in protracted interrogation techniques), vengefulness (esp in the immediate afermath of 9/11- as we Brits know all too well, vengefulness in the after math of an especially horrific terrorist atrocity- like the Birmingham pub bombings- can be a potent force) and of course the ludicrous "ticking time bomb" scenario all tended to encourage a "fast and loose" approach to AQ interrogations- with results like Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and "extraordianry rendition"- to his internal credit, Barack Obama has reinstated the presidential ban on torture upon taking office in 2009!

#1 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

#2 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

#3 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

#4 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

#5 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

#6 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

#7 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

#8 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

#9 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

#10 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

#11 Posted by SC (9996 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Ah yes I remember arguments about this with "Cyclops" fans when the character went through his "morally grey but effective save all mutants" era. Which was really just "Matt Fraction is writing an idiot badass who is about as morally grey as 50 Shades of Grey, no pun intended as far as references to Jean Grey, but plenty as far as having sex mid mission with psychic projections of a clone of his dead wife who developed an S&M fetish, while his team was beat by Empath. Finding out answers and truth = Good, using torture to get it, yeah, not as practical as shown in most media.

#12 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (6660 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Meh. I support torture in certain situations.

#13 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

#14 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

Yes you do.

#15 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

Yes you do.

Nope if you had managed to track you would of known this.

#16 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

Yes you do.

Nope if you had managed to track you would of known this.

Really? I work for a higher authority than the government. Do you honestly think you know where you live?

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

#17 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (11214 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

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@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

Yes you do.

Nope if you had managed to track you would of known this.

Really? I work for a higher authority than the government. Do you honestly think you know where you live?

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Time to take your pills again I think.

#18 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13927 posts) - 6 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Thats strange because I found water boarding to be quite effective.Eh maybe they weren't doing it right.

May I ask who you used it on?

You may but its not worth it considering they are now at the bottom of a very large lake.

Which lake?

*pulls out pen and pad*

Em...one with water in it....

I meant the name sir.

No that is the name em one with water in it.

Interesting...

Well secretly I have been tracking your IP address as we had this little chit-chat. Expect the police to arrive and arrest you for multiple murders in a couple minutes.

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. It's useless since secretly, everyone in your entire city are undercover cops.

Have fun.

I dont live in a city.

Yes you do.

Nope if you had managed to track you would of known this.

Really? I work for a higher authority than the government. Do you honestly think you know where you live?

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Time to take your pills again I think.

Oh yeah well you're secretly fat because of the Illuminati.

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