Can you think of a comeback for this? I can't.
@racob7: Watch a movie called "God's not dead". Plenty of debating happens in that movie, they even address this point. But God did not create evil, evil is our nature. He lets us choose between good and evil, because he gave us free will. So those who choose him will be in heaven after he destroys evil but we will be there with our free will in tact because we made the choice to follow him, instead of the evil. What's the point of making us if we do whatever he says? That's not a relationship, that's a robot. Hence the free will, but we abused it and started our sin nature.
How's that?
If you appeal to the Bible or God based on your standard on what they should be or do, you're only expressing your opinion.
That's all I'm going to say on this.
Yeah...God doesn't give a flying f*ck what us humans do - because - we are, after all, but a small speck in the grand scheme of things.
@jeepeh: This.
Beata
@jeepeh: And this.
@jeepeh: If he has the power to prevent the evil from harming the innocent and chooses not to then he is malevolent, simple as that.
"Your mother!"
@jeepeh: If he has the power to prevent the evil from harming the innocent and chooses not to then he is malevolent, simple as that.
You completely ignored my comment's point. It's his fault that we made the wrong choice? It's his fault that we chose to be a bag of scumbags? How is that his fault? We made the choice. He made us to be unsinful. But we chose to rebel against him. Instead of telling him that he's evil for not stopping us, how about you thank him for letting us make the choice to believe in him so that we could go to Heaven? If he killed us all right now (which is what we deserve, and what you're saying he should do) then we'd all be in hell because we didn't have the chance to ask for forgiveness or for Jesus to die for us. Evil? Evil is even little things you do. You look at a girl and think about how much you want to do inappropriate things? That's a sin. Based on what you say God should kill you right now. But he doesn't, you know why? Because he loves us the way we are. But he loves us too much to want us to stay that way.
@jeepeh: If he has the power to prevent the evil from harming the innocent and chooses not to then he is malevolent, simple as that.
You completely ignored my comment's point. It's his fault that we made the wrong choice? It's his fault that we chose to be a bag of scumbags? How is that his fault? We made the choice. He made us to be unsinful. But we chose to rebel against him. Instead of telling him that he's evil for not stopping us, how about you thank him for letting us make the choice to believe in him so that we could go to Heaven? If he killed us all right now (which is what we deserve, and what you're saying he should do) then we'd all be in hell because we didn't have the chance to ask for forgiveness or for Jesus to die for us. Evil? Evil is even little things you do. You look at a girl and think about how much you want to do inappropriate things? That's a sin. Based on what you say God should kill you right now. But he doesn't, you know why? Because he loves us the way we are. But he loves us too much to want us to stay that way.
Your argument is cancer.
Your god is not omnipotent.
If he made hell he is evil.
I smell a lock coming.
Nah, there's plenty of these around.
@jeepeh: If he has the power to prevent the evil from harming the innocent and chooses not to then he is malevolent, simple as that.
You completely ignored my comment's point. It's his fault that we made the wrong choice? It's his fault that we chose to be a bag of scumbags? How is that his fault? We made the choice. He made us to be unsinful. But we chose to rebel against him. Instead of telling him that he's evil for not stopping us, how about you thank him for letting us make the choice to believe in him so that we could go to Heaven? If he killed us all right now (which is what we deserve, and what you're saying he should do) then we'd all be in hell because we didn't have the chance to ask for forgiveness or for Jesus to die for us. Evil? Evil is even little things you do. You look at a girl and think about how much you want to do inappropriate things? That's a sin. Based on what you say God should kill you right now. But he doesn't, you know why? Because he loves us the way we are. But he loves us too much to want us to stay that way.
Your argument is cancer.
Your god is not omnipotent.
If he made hell he is evil.
Was.... that meant to be a counter?
Why is he not omnipotent?
So making place to punish the wicked (what this thread is asking for him to do) makes him evil? What?
@jeepeh: Just ignore him. Let this thread die.
Beata
@jeepeh: Just ignore him. Let this thread die.
Beata
Why? So they can sit here and spew lies about God? No thanks, I'll stay here and defend the Bible. They wanna stop me, they'll have to lock the thread. Wanna help?
@jeepeh: Look man, i see where your coming from. But people like him just want to get a rise out of us. Odds are you won't change his mind. Sure i don't like him bashing my religion, but at the end of the day he looks immature and petty.
Beata
@jeepeh: He has a point. Not going to touch that last part though.
@jeepeh: Look man, i see where your coming from. But people like him just want to get a rise out of us. Odds are you won't change his mind. Sure i don't like him bashing my religion, but at the end of the day he looks immature and petty.
Beata
Have you ever seen "God's not dead" ? Don't you think God might want someone to defend him? I don't believe it's a coincidence that I found this thread while watching the "Heaven is for real" movie. xD What about "My word shall not return unto me void". Something good will come from this.
Thanks for the follow btw. :P
@jeepeh: He has a point. Not going to touch that last part though.
What I said in the comment above^ e.e
@jeepeh: You stated your arguement. They choose not to take it seriously. But do whatever you feel is right.
God bless.
Beata
There is no evil, it's a human construct, something we use to label things we don't agree with. In some culture, murder is illegal, in others, it's just. Same with cannibalism, slavery, racism and everything else we could consider "evil".
There is no evil, it's a human ideal, something we use to label things we don't agree with. In some culture, murder is illegal, in others, it's just. Same with cannibalism, slavery, racism and everything else we could consider "evil".
You're arguing against natural law, which is a different topic.
@racob7: Watch a movie called "God's not dead". Plenty of debating happens in that movie, they even address this point. But God did not create evil, evil is our nature. He lets us choose between good and evil, because he gave us free will. So those who choose him will be in heaven after he destroys evil but we will be there with our free will in tact because we made the choice to follow him, instead of the evil. What's the point of making us if we do whatever he says? That's not a relationship, that's a robot. Hence the free will, but we abused it and started our sin nature.
How's that?
How can God give free will? If you say God can do anything, this leads me to my next question.
God can not create evil since he can not do so, right?
Free will is merely the exercise of choice, right? I exercise free will when I decide what I want to eat, a salad or waffles. There is no evil in my decision.
Why did God create circumstances in which the consequences of exercising free will resulted in evil?
Why in all matters of possibilities did an omnipotent God, not create a world where there is free will but no evil?
If God can not do evil since it is in his nature to not do evil, how can God provide beings for a quality that he lacks?
If God were to go into the kitchen and have a nature by which he can only choose salads, and not waffles, then I as a human being have more free will than that what created me, how is that possible?
Me being a free agent which God is not, being constrained by his nature, human beings are able to choose between good and evil. And by choosing good, can thereby be called good on the very basis of that judgement. God can not be consider good for having made a proper decision since by his nature he can not choose otherwise.
When a human being chooses to help a child in need instead of allowing the child to die in poverty, he can be ruled good for the very reason he could of done otherwise. However when God aids a child in need, he does so not because it is the good thing to do so, but because he can not do otherwise. And therefore for God to exist, children dying in poverty and disease must be a good thing. Because God does only good by his nature, is choosing to allow this to happen. And by his nature he can not choose to do evil.
Children and others are in need because it is a good thing. Because God out of his good nature would have made corrections to their circumstances. By definition, going against God's will is an act of evil, therefore one should not seek to change the world as God allows it to exist and help those in needs.
/rant
@mr_clockwork91: "How can God give free will? If you say God can do anything, this leads me to my next question."
Why can't he?
"Why did God create circumstances in which the consequences of exercising free will resulted in evil?"
To give us a choice. Why would do we choose the result that leads to consequences?
"Why in all matters of possibilities did an omnipotent God, not create a world where there is free will but no evil?"
There would be no free will if you couldn't exercise choice.
"If God can not do evil since it is in his nature to not do evil, how can God provide beings for a quality that he lacks"
He did, humans chose evil instead.
The rest is pretty much my first post. If you appeal to God based on your standards, it's just an opinion.
Yikes, a paragraph.
@racob7: Watch a movie called "God's not dead". Plenty of debating happens in that movie, they even address this point. But God did not create evil, evil is our nature. He lets us choose between good and evil, because he gave us free will. So those who choose him will be in heaven after he destroys evil but we will be there with our free will in tact because we made the choice to follow him, instead of the evil. What's the point of making us if we do whatever he says? That's not a relationship, that's a robot. Hence the free will, but we abused it and started our sin nature.
How's that?
How can God give free will? If you say God can do anything, this leads me to my next question.
He made us, he's God. Why CAN'T he give us free will? O.o
God can not create evil since he can not do so, right?
Since he can not do what? God created us without evil. If God sinned, then he'd stop being Holy.
Free will is merely the exercise of choice, right? I exercise free will when I decide what I want to eat, a salad or waffles. There is no evil in my decision.
But there is in the decision when God says "Don't look at inappropriate things" "Don't have sex until you're married" "Honor thy father and thy Mother". We have the choice to obey him or not.
Why did God create circumstances in which the consequences of exercising free will resulted in evil?
o_O What? Create Circumstances? He made us, we decided what to do. You're saying it's his fault that we disobeyed him?
Why in all matters of possibilities did an omnipotent God, not create a world where there is free will but no evil?
If there's no other choice, then it wouldn't be free will because there'd be nothing else to choose.
If God can not do evil since it is in his nature to not do evil, how can God provide beings for a quality that he lacks?
You're really nitpicking, you know that? You can't rotate your arm 360 degrees around, but we can make action figures that can.
If God were to go into the kitchen and have a nature by which he can only choose salads, and not waffles, then I as a human being have more free will than that what created me, how is that possible?
...... Wait what? Who said God COULDN'T Sin? Jesus was Tempted by the Devil, but he resisted him. He's not weak like us.
Me being a free agent which God is not, being constrained by his nature, human beings are able to choose between good and evil. And by choosing good, can thereby be called good on the very basis of that judgement. God can not be consider good for having made a proper decision since by his nature he can not choose otherwise.
See my above reply.
When a human being chooses to help a child in need instead of allowing the child to die in poverty, he can be ruled good for the very reason he could of done otherwise. However when God aids a child in need, he does so not because it is the good thing to do so, but because he can not do otherwise.
Again, above.
And therefore for God to exist, children dying in poverty and disease must be a good thing.
The Fudge?
Because God does only good by his nature, is choosing to allow this to happen. And by his nature he can not choose to do evil.
Wrong, again. Look above.
Children and others are in need because it is a good thing.
.... The fudge.
Because God out of his good nature would have made corrections to their circumstances.
Oh goodness. You're saying that us making a bad decision is God's fault.
By definition, going against God's will is an act of evil, therefore one should not seek to change the world as God allows it to exist and help those in needs.
You allow evil to exist. Is that evil?
/rant
/Antirant
@jeepeh: Oh I understand. I'm just agreeing that they will believe what they want to believe no matter what you say to them.
Also that story is fake. (just incase you didn't know)
@jeepeh: I would take a bullet for a stranger in peril, yet the God you describe would do nothing simply because he did not pull the trigger? I hope I'm misunderstanding, please explain again.
@chillxpill What's fake? The movie?
@jeepeh: I would take a bullet for a stranger in peril, yet the God you describe would do nothing simply because he did not pull the trigger? I hope I'm misunderstanding, please explain again.
God's son died for you. Pretty sure he already took the bullet. What do I need to explain? I've said a lot of things. heh.
"Your mother!"
Said every single 12 year old Call of Duty player on Xbox Live.
"Your mother!"
Said every single 12 year old Call of Duty player on Xbox Live.
Is PS3 network immune? I believe I made the correct choice. XD
The jimmies... the rustling... oh god the rustling...
"Your mother!"
Said every single 12 year old Call of Duty player on Xbox Live.
Is PS3 network immune? I believe I made the correct choice. XD
From my knowledge, a majority of the kiddos go trash talk and act like they're hardcore on Xbox Live. However, every single form of media whether it is Comic Vine, World of Warcraft, PSN, etc. has these types of people, but Xbox has more than PlayStation, IMO.
2 Corinthians 12:9-10 New International Version
9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Jmarshmallow
@jeepeh: Yes the story was made up just to make money.
@mysticmedivh: Interesting. xD
@jeepeh: Yes the story was made up just to make money.
Well yeah. ._. That doesn't make the morals any less true.
@jeepeh: You said God chooses not to prevent evil because it's not his doing, not his business, but that makes him a bystander, a bystander that could prevent the slaughter of millions with a wave of his hand but would rather watch.
As for God being incapable of evil, a similar argument was used to justify Alexander the Great murdering his best friend in a drunken rage. Alexander was refusing to leave his tent and contemplating suicide after realizing what he had done until one of his followers told him that the king could do no wrong. Anything Alexander did, no matter how immoral, was justified because he was king. It's called sovereign immunity.
@jeepeh: You said God chooses not to prevent evil because it's not his doing, not his business, but that makes him a bystander, a bystander that could prevent the slaughter of millions with a wave of his hand but would rather watch.
I didn't say that.
As for God being incapable of evil, a similar argument was used to justify Alexander the Great murdering his best friend in a drunken rage.
Alexander was refusing to leave his tent and contemplating suicide after realizing what he had done until one of his followers told him that the king could do no wrong. Anything Alexander did, no matter how immoral, was justified because he was king. It's called sovereign immunity.
God is capable of sinning, Satan tempted Jesus. But he hasn't.
@mr_clockwork91: "How can God give free will? If you say God can do anything, this leads me to my next question."
Why can't he?
Reread my entire post and actually think about what I wrote.
"Why did God create circumstances in which the consequences of exercising free will resulted in evil?"
To give us a choice. Why would do we choose the result that leads to consequences?
Consequences can be both good and bad. Why would he create situations which can lead to good or evil? Again free will is not exclusively a choice between good and evil. You have free will when you decide where to go to eat.
"Why in all matters of possibilities did an omnipotent God, not create a world where there is free will but no evil?"
There would be no free will if you couldn't exercise choice.
Again free will does not mean, every choice is between good and evil. Why did God not create a world where I can choose between good option A, good option B and etc?
"If God can not do evil since it is in his nature to not do evil, how can God provide beings for a quality that he lacks"
He did, humans chose evil instead.
Then God would have to make evil for us to choose. So therefore God is evil.
The rest is pretty much my first post. If you appeal to God based on your standards, it's just an opinion.
Sounds like you are doing the same.
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