Dr. Cal Lightman (Lie to Me):
Patrick Jane (The Mentalist):
Who would win in a game mentally and psychologic?
Yes, this is the one!
While my instincts say Jane... Cal is his equal. But the worst thing is Cal has a tendency of out-foxing his own trained staff while Jane tends to play with Lisbon etc. Cal would read Jane, Jane not so much towards Cal.
I give it to Cal 5-6,7/10...
Cal is superior at reading people, he just is. Patrick is really, really good, but Cal is THE best, he discovered micro-expressions and almost all the science in the show is based on his findings [In universe, obviously in real life it is Ekman]. Jane's only real advantage is trickery, in overall cunning and deception Cal takes it. I know Jane has an eidetic memory, but Cal may also have one, he remembers minute micro-expressions from random encounters from 3-4 days prior. Patrick is better in general deductive reasoning but not by much. Cal wins on average 7/10. Cal's one of the smartest TV characters in my opinion, Patrick Jane's isn't quite there in my opinion.
I'm going to have to side with Patrick. A person can have all the physical facial expression of sincerity if they believe what they are saying is true, hypnosis and suggestion. "People see what they want to see." Patrick has the ability to implant suggestion turning it into "people see what Patrick wants them to see." Patrick plays with the mind of everyone around him, including himself. Patrick utilize psychology, mathematics, science to degree close enough to be called psychic by those around him.
If push far enough, in defensive position. It is well within Patrick ability to hypnotize himself into believing that he is another person and have an elaborate plan to lead Cal in a goose chase. It could be days, months, years after the case is over and Patrick stumbles upon a picture, key word that has been planted before hand to awaken his suppress memories, personality.
In offensive position: Patrick has a strange ability to build rapport/trust with complete strangers. He can actually use the people around Cal. Remember believing is not lying.
Patrick reads people differently then Cal. In particular to where suspects have to be. Patrick doesn't need to put suspects in a interrogation room, he usually release them so that he can get evidence, because when suspects are in their environment suspects are easier to read. This give Patrick more wiggle room.
So it depends on where the confrontation is out in the field or inside a interrogation room. Patrick can certainly hold his own inside and outside.
@9dragons: Sorry, just saw this. Cal is a trained psychologist, applied psychology, in general that means nothing to Patrick, but he is not deceiving Cal in any way, whereas Cal can actually trick Patrick in my opinion. Cal's only ever been outdone when his emotions got in the way, which was once. Patrick relies to some extent on physical deduction, Cal doesn't, though he has proven capable of that too. It's literally impossible to lie to him. Loker used a muscle relaxant and Cal still knew. I think that once Cal gets a baseline for Patrick, he wins.
He's not building a rapport with Cal, the man is a walking polygraph but approximately 10,0000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more efficient. Plus he's highly antisocial and incredibly perceptive even outside of body language any subversion techniques, subliminals, trickery etc will not work on Cal. I would also say that if this were a long term strategy Moriarty vs Sherlock deal, he's a lot more tactically adept and physically adept
If Cal passed himself off as a psychic nobody would know.
Plus, he literally invented a branch of science, Paul Ekman style.
Skimming through both series parallel, I think patrick's got this. Cal's methods seem more effective because of the technical details given, while patrick's are generally accompanied by his child-like behavior. But overall, patrick's magic seems more efficient to me. His skills reach into various areas, sometimes reaching borderline supernatural. I think his expertise on mind would give him advantage over cal's body language (?) detection..
(Finishing season 1, easiest comparsion would be the military case. Patrick's entry statement would be.. why are you lying? I mean, you clearly are hiding something important, I just don't know what. And then looking at other members would mean a dramatic declaration of solved case.)
I literally just watched Lie To Me for the first time today, hopped on Comic Vine, and saw a match with Cal.
See? I get the timing for a bump correct. :D
Have you watched mentalist, though?
Unfortunately not, which is why I didn't give my opinion on the battle.
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