Burning the Qur'an and building the Islamic Center...

Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
 
Isn't that the reason some people support the Islamic center going up so close to Ground Zero?

 
Well... just because he has the freedom to burn the Qur'an, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Especially when it can put our troops and other citizens overseas at risk. Same goes to building the Islamic center so close to Ground Zero. Yes, they have the freedom to build it there but I don't think it is the right thing to do.

What say you, OT?

 
Do you oppose the burning of the Qur'an and oppose the construction of the Islamic center because even though they have the freedom to do what they want, you know they aren't doing the right thing?

 
Do you support the burning of the Qur'an and support the construction of the Islamic center because they have the freedom to do what they want whether it is right or wrong?

 
Do you oppose the burning of the Qur'an but support the construction of the Islamic center because you don't want people disrespecting a religion?

 
Do you support the burning of the Qur'an but oppose the construction of the Islamic center because you just can't stand anything to do with Islam?        

i support the building of the islamic center, because it has absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. it's very foolish to look at the actions a single extremist sect and blame a billion muslims for it. Just like it is silly to look at a the westboro babtist church, and hate on the 600,000,000 protestants for it. it's ludicrous.
 
That guy can burn a mountain of Qur'an's for all i care. he is free to express his intolerance in any way that he chooses, as long as nobody gets hurt.

I wonder what would happen if a Mosque decided to burn a bunch of bibles, what people would have to say. 

 I live in Gainesville, Fl (the city in which the burning is happening.)  I just want to say that he doesn't actually have the right to burn the books because of fire code. 
 
Personally, I'm totally indifferent to the construction of a Mosque near ground zero.  I'm against being against it more than anything.  Opponents' claims range from simple poor tact to suspicions of a terrorist training facility where parties will be held in the names of the September 11 highjackers.  It's totally insane.  The erection of the community center affects no one in the area except for those Muslims who choose to visit it.  It also baffles me how people can choose to ignore the fact that innocent American Muslims were murdered in the 9/11 attacks.
 
What Pastor Terry Jones is doing here in Gainesville, however, is an action full of ignorant hate and misunderstanding.  It's an attack on the beliefs of a group of people simply because he doesn't understand them.  Ironically, Islamic beliefs are very similar to those of Christianity and there are entire chapters in the Qur'an about the miracles of Jesus, prophet of Allah (which is just the Arabic word for God.)  Last year he lead an anti-Pride Parade in protest of homosexuality and regularly preaches that people under that orientation are going to Hell regardless of what kind of person they are.
 
The man is a hate monger with every right to do such things.  But I am also perfectly in my rights to show the world that Pastor Jones doesn't represent my beliefs or the beliefs of the people of Gainesville.  After all, Al Jazeera will be attending the event and broadcasting to the entire Middle East.

"I wonder what would happen if a Mosque decided to burn a bunch of bibles, what people would have to say.  "

@Kal'smahboi: 

It also baffles me how people can choose to ignore the fact that innocent American Muslims were murdered in the 9/11 attacks.

That would go against the belief that "OMFG ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!" lol

here is what I think the pastor has the right but he should not because he is just trying to spread hate and fear while the Mosque should get built because they are not trying to harm anyone they just want to be able to reach out to the members of their religion the reason people don't want it to get built is because they are ignorant and intolerant. These people sould not get punished just because of some extreamist

Because racial/religious intolerance is evil and already Terrorists are using this as propaganda.
1)hey look America is full of amoral people who glorify the 7 deadly sins and burn our holy book
2) join us in our jihad against the Western forces occupying our lands, trying to bring their culture here and influence 
3) people are poor over there and are probably willing to join for

If 50 Muslim Extremists held a Bible burning, imagine how that would go over in the States. 
Now flip that into a hostile environment where guerilla forces are recruiting ppl on the basis that America is full of people who do intolerant stuff like this every day 
 
They're basically promoting the Terrorist agenda by doing this, whether they have the right to do so is a matter of US law. But already people are burning the guy in effigy.
The recruiting pitch probably has never been better for the Extremists.

I believe in protecting my rights as an American citizen, including freedom of religion.  While that's a big reason why I support the building of the cultural center in Manhattan, the main reason is the lack of a good reason against it.  There really is none.  If you have one, it's either based in misinformation or it's based in abstract notions of sentimentality and/or disrespect... indefinable things that have no place near government decisions. 
 
As for the burning of the Quran, sure, it's his right to do so... but I promise you if you asked this pastor about the mosque, he'd start spewing some bs about respecting the 9/11 dead and America, which would make him a hypocrite since burning the Quran would be basically be the equivilent of taking a dump in the face every Muslim-American who's ever lived, including those who have fought for this country or died serving this country, whether in the military or in service on 9/11 as a police officer, firefighter or good samaritan.

 
As far as Christians go, since most of them aren't protecting their freedom of religion (which is the freedom of religion of all Americans, even the Muslims), they only have themselves to blame.

I didn't read the entire thread and I won't but I'd just like to point out  @Wario88 said:

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Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
 

"@OmegaDynasty: So that's why Christian religious beliefs are the main force behind gays not being allowed to marry, the abortion debate, and protesting signs for other religions (this happened when an athiest group placed billboards for their org)? ;) "

Stop posting religion threads, it's obvious attention whoring.

and lets not forget that the mosque is only a small part of the giant ass community center. There is going to be a lot going on there that is directly mosque related.
 
 http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition
 
that's a link of Jon Stewart addressing this issue.
 
well said Jon.

" @King Saturn: nah, just hate "

Hey, freedom is freedom. In this country, we can build mosques and burn Qurans, and no one can stop us.

"Comparing all Muslims to terrorist is like comparing all Americans to the people on Jersey Shore."

" I didn't read the entire thread and I won't but I'd just like to point out  @Wario88 said:

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Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
 

No. He does not have the "freedom" to do so. Freedom of speech does NOT allow hate. You can't start burning things because you don't agree with them, or beating people that don't follow your narcissist lifestyle up then claim your rights to freedom of speech. If you do so you're no better than if the people responsible for 9/11 in the first place said: "Well, we have the right to freedom so we decided to fly those planes in those buildings".  "

" @iloverobots said:

" I didn't read the entire thread and I won't but I'd just like to point out  @Wario88 said:

"

Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
 

No. He does not have the "freedom" to do so. Freedom of speech does NOT allow hate. You can't start burning things because you don't agree with them, or beating people that don't follow your narcissist lifestyle up then claim your rights to freedom of speech. If you do so you're no better than if the people responsible for 9/11 in the first place said: "Well, we have the right to freedom so we decided to fly those planes in those buildings".  "

I missed this the first time through. Hate is an emotion and/or thought. You're right, it's not covered under constitutionally protected freedom of speech, it's covered by a much more basic right. Even if something isn't very nice, like hate, you still have the right to think it. And no, you can't beat people, but no one is saying you can. You can burn things, though. People burn flags all the time. "

I like how this guy has FIFTY!!! people in his church yet some act like it's the majority of Christians that were gonna do it. Also, would a planned Bible burning have gotten the outrage that this did? Nah of course not. Also, it was stupid from the beginning. Burning 200-300 Korans accomplishes nothing good.

IT's weird that the Koran burning was supposed to be a thing for his church and his community. The media got involved now everyone knows smh

I think it was just supposed to be for HIM. For his ego, so he could get all the attention. which he did. As a Christian myself I can tell you that that guy does NOT have Jesus in his heart. Heck his 'church' doesn't even have 60 people.

" @iloverobots: I do agree that it's ridiculous, but we can't choose which forms of speech to allow and which to forbid. "

" @Jotham said:

" @iloverobots: I do agree that it's ridiculous, but we can't choose which forms of speech to allow and which to forbid. "

I think we can. Neo Nazi's don't seem to be contributing too much to society. Or vegans... "

" Stay classy, America. "

" @texasdeathmatch said:

" @Jotham said:

" @iloverobots: I do agree that it's ridiculous, but we can't choose which forms of speech to allow and which to forbid. "

I think we can. Neo Nazi's don't seem to be contributing too much to society. Or vegans... "

Heck Democrats gave the enemy aid and comfort for 8 years during Bush and labeled it free speech. "

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Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
  
I agree. 
 
More people should do this. 
  
Nothing is said when other countries burn our flags, books, and make effigies of our people and burn them. 
  
The controlled liberal media will not touch those stories. 
They should have left him alone.

its a disgusting display of ignorance   
and the centre is 3-4 blocks away from ground zero, it has a bb court and therapy rooms 
alond with a pray area 
hardly an islamic centre 

" "Comparing all Muslims to terrorist is like comparing all Americans to the people on Jersey Shore." "

" @Jotham said:

" @iloverobots: I do agree that it's ridiculous, but we can't choose which forms of speech to allow and which to forbid. "

I think we can. Neo Nazi's don't seem to be contributing too much to society. Or vegans... "

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Why are people complaining about the guy that wants to burn the Qur'an to mark the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks? He has the freedom to do so, doesn't he?  
 
Isn't that the reason some people support the Islamic center going up so close to Ground Zero?

 
Well... just because he has the freedom to burn the Qur'an, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Especially when it can put our troops and other citizens overseas at risk. Same goes to building the Islamic center so close to Ground Zero. Yes, they have the freedom to build it there but I don't think it is the right thing to do.

What say you, OT?

 
Do you oppose the burning of the Qur'an and oppose the construction of the Islamic center because even though they have the freedom to do what they want, you know they aren't doing the right thing?

 
Do you support the burning of the Qur'an and support the construction of the Islamic center because they have the freedom to do what they want whether it is right or wrong?

 
Do you oppose the burning of the Qur'an but support the construction of the Islamic center because you don't want people disrespecting a religion?

 
Do you support the burning of the Qur'an but oppose the construction of the Islamic center because you just can't stand anything to do with Islam?        

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another epic post by Hellos

My class was just talking about this yesterday in class. 
Technically, he has the right to freedom of speech just as they have the right to freedom of religion. Ultimately, this will possibly cause more problems than it would solve or help fix. Burning thee Koran will make many of the good muslims out there( yes, there are good and bad muslims, just as there are good and bad Christians) see Osama's point that America is evil. Burning it will only aid Osama and the Taliban in gaining more followers. It's like burning the bible. How many Christians would only see it as something aimed at the bad individuals rather than just all Christians? 
Building the Mosque cannot be stopped, as people have the freedom of religion to do such a thing, and I, personally, would only respect them and understand what they are doing. However, just as they have the right to freedom of religion, people will have the right to protest them doing such a thing and I could see problems arising. I just hope people see it as I see it, and see that it's a sign of peace and friendship.

"another epic post by Hellos "

Well who the hell are we to say that they can't build that place near ground zero? Also to the person who was burning The Qur'an is gonna get a lot of hate when more people actually find out about it. And not to sound like a damn jerk or anything, but you really need to relax on these religious topic news threads, i don't really come to CV to see this, now if there was a War breaking loose somewhere sure i wouldn't mind, but all this is doing is getting other viners to argue with each other. 

" I guess I'm just lazy. I find myself not caring who burns a Qur'an or what gets built at ground zero. I have no strong feelings when it comes to political issues like this. Hey Florida Pastor, do us a favor and burn all religious text while your at it. "