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#1 Edited by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Are btas and gltas good? Yes. But let's be honest here: Bruce timm is a fanboy, a batwanker at that. It's very apparent from Superman the animated series and Justice league that he doesn't "get" many characters beyond Batman. His Superman was wimplishly portrayed, sometimes having trouble catching a friggin helicopter! Wonder woman was also horribly portrayed, being a callous b17ch who more so resembled Zealot than Wonder woman. Also keep in mind that the Amazons and other ww characters were awfully portrayed, with poor Steve Trevor being stuck in freakin ww2!!!!! Was Lois lane stuck in the 40s for Superman's show? No!!!!!!

#2 Posted by SoA (4678 posts) - - Show Bio

my only complaint would be they looked deformed , all the heroes were like super-powered randy savage's . needed plastic man and ted kord otherwise i was okay with it .

#3 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree completely. The Timmverse is very well done. Does it revolve around Batman? Yes. Is that a bad thing? Not really.

#4 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude, those are fighting words.

Bruce Timm launched a whole generation of comic fans with the DCAU....what have you done?? Oh yeah, nothing.

They are fictional characters and their powers vary to accommodate the plot. Also, Steve Trevor being in World War 2 was obviously due to the fact that he was in World War 2, it was an homage to the Golden Age

#5 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude, those are fighting words.

Bruce Timm launched a whole generation of comic fans with the DCAU....what have you done?? Oh yeah, nothing.

They are fictional characters and their powers vary to accommodate the plot. Also, Steve Trevor being in World War 2 was obviously due to the fact that he was in World War 2, it was an homage to the Golden Age

An awesome homage to the Golden Age. I loved seeing Steve Trevor in WW II. It was awesome seeing the Black Hawks in WW II and in the modern day.

#6 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (22912 posts) - - Show Bio

You my friend have just committed Blasphemy.

#7 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope.

#8 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: I repeat: was Lois stuck in the 40s? Wouldn't that be a cool homage?!!!!!

I also love how if you haven't done anything, you can't criticize Bruce (Wayne) Timm. If that's the case, this site would not have a review system as many users have not created comic books.

I also love how many non-street level (or Batclone) characters were written as "I'm bored, let's punch something".

#9 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman's character is about her being a zealot who learns to like men

Superman was cowardly? Hold on a bit...

#10 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, Bruce Timm gets a lot of respect for having an episode of JLU based on an Alan Moore story.

#11 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@jnr6lil: She was written as a huge bitch, which she is not

#12 Posted by wildvine (8061 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

Overall, I love Timm and his animated universe, they were a highlight of my adolescence and one of the best television programs ever. That said, he was a Batman wanker and did severely nerf Superman to make everyone else more relevant. Also, he used Wonder Woman as basically a prop to make Batman cooler (leading to the worst, most nonsensical pairing in fictional history). Actually, if Bruce Timm is guilty of anything, its being the catalyst for my hatred towards Batman probably.

#14 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

#15 Edited by consolemaster001 (4898 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah.....no

#16 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

Also, Bruce Timm gets a lot of respect for having an episode of JLU based on an Alan Moore story.

That Moore actually liked. That is quite a feat.

#17 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Overall, I love Timm and his animated universe, they were a highlight of my adolescence and one of the best television programs ever. That said, he was a Batman wanker and did severely nerf Superman to make everyone else more relevant. Also, he used Wonder Woman as basically a prop to make Batman cooler (leading to the worst, most nonsensical pairing in fictional history). Actually, if Bruce Timm is guilty of anything, its being the catalyst for my hatred towards Batman probably.

Bats/WW is actually a pretty okay pairing. They mesh well together and tend to get along very well.

Not saying it's the best pairing in the world but it's hardly the worst Batman or WW pairing, let alone the worst in all of fiction.

#18 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

Also, Bruce Timm gets a lot of respect for having an episode of JLU based on an Alan Moore story.

That Moore actually liked. That is quite a feat.

If I'm being honest, I preferred the episode to Moore's story. Why? Because Robin saving the day is stupid.

#19 Edited by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo said:

Overall, I love Timm and his animated universe, they were a highlight of my adolescence and one of the best television programs ever. That said, he was a Batman wanker and did severely nerf Superman to make everyone else more relevant. Also, he used Wonder Woman as basically a prop to make Batman cooler (leading to the worst, most nonsensical pairing in fictional history). Actually, if Bruce Timm is guilty of anything, its being the catalyst for my hatred towards Batman probably.

Bats/WW is actually a pretty okay pairing. They mesh well together and tend to get along very well.

Not saying it's the best pairing in the world but it's hardly the worst Batman or WW pairing, let alone the worst in all of fiction.

I much prefer Batman / Wonder Woman to Superman / Wonder Woman. Superman and Wonder Woman should never date each other, or any superpowered person. If they do, they begin to get power hungry. They need to stay grounded to humanity.

#20 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

ohohohoho. this is turning ugly pretty fast. you do not bad mouth the man that brought us harley.

#21 Posted by Black_Claw (2872 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@jointron33: This post is the biggest waste of time. You just picked a topic you knew people would like and wrote a stale, generic diatribe about it to try to start a flame war. Better than you have tried.

#23 Edited by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo said:

Overall, I love Timm and his animated universe, they were a highlight of my adolescence and one of the best television programs ever. That said, he was a Batman wanker and did severely nerf Superman to make everyone else more relevant. Also, he used Wonder Woman as basically a prop to make Batman cooler (leading to the worst, most nonsensical pairing in fictional history). Actually, if Bruce Timm is guilty of anything, its being the catalyst for my hatred towards Batman probably.

Bats/WW is actually a pretty okay pairing. They mesh well together and tend to get along very well.

Not saying it's the best pairing in the world but it's hardly the worst Batman or WW pairing, let alone the worst in all of fiction.

I think so, as there is no logical reason they would date. Its pure fan shipping. Comic Book Wonder Woman would see Bruce Wayne as a misogynist, and Batman as an anti-social zealot.

Also, while youngsters think opposites attract, and think such things are romantic, the older you get the more realize that having a serious relationship with somebody with whom you have nothing in common will lead to a really bad time.

#24 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, while youngsters think opposites attract, and think such things are romantic, the older you get the more realize that having a serious relationship with somebody with whom you have nothing in common will lead to a really bad time.

To be fair, why do you think Wonder Woman isn't with him in the future?

#25 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@deaditegonzo said:

Also, while youngsters think opposites attract, and think such things are romantic, the older you get the more realize that having a serious relationship with somebody with whom you have nothing in common will lead to a really bad time.

To be fair, why do you think Wonder Woman isn't with him in the future?

Once again, unlike OP, im not criticizing him overall. Understanding that they wouldnt get married and settle down is the sign of a writer with good instincts. Im just complaining about the fact that he wanked Batman so hard, and let Batman be the catalyst for the majority of his decisions.

#26 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol this brought the bats outta the cave

#27 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Except she's not hanging out with Bruce Wayne, she's hanging out with Batman.


And I don't think it's a case of opposites attracts, they do have quite a bit in common. Not everything obviously, but they can be similar at times.

#28 Edited by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@decoy_elite said:

@jedixman said:

Also, Bruce Timm gets a lot of respect for having an episode of JLU based on an Alan Moore story.

That Moore actually liked. That is quite a feat.

If I'm being honest, I preferred the episode to Moore's story. Why? Because Robin saving the day is stupid.

I actually liked that bit in the original story. Poor Jason at least got one shining little moment of being awesome.

#29 Edited by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Except she's not hanging out with Bruce Wayne, she's hanging out with Batman.

And I don't think it's a case of opposites attracts, they do have quite a bit in common. Not everything obviously, but they can be similar at times.

I explained why she wouldnt like Batman either. A lot of his fans deny it, but Batman has a lot of Psychological issues. His mind is extremely damaged, presumably from the trauma he experienced in his childhood. He has a disassociative disorder, trust issues, exhibits anti-social behaviours, megalomania, etc.

Some women are attracted to such things, I doubt Wonder Woman would be.

#30 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@decoy_elite said:

@jedixman said:

Also, Bruce Timm gets a lot of respect for having an episode of JLU based on an Alan Moore story.

That Moore actually liked. That is quite a feat.

If I'm being honest, I preferred the episode to Moore's story. Why? Because Robin saving the day is stupid.

I actually liked that bit in the original story. Poor Jason at least got one shining little moment of being awesome.

I just thought it was funny seeing Jason, knowing what he'd become.

#31 Edited by Mercy_ (92257 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there anything that actually makes you happy?

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#32 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Batman has issues and they do get in the way of his relationships when they start going but they've hardly stopped them from getting started. Besides most of his issues involve dressing up as a Bat and punching people in the face which WW isn't really gonna care that much about.

Like I said not the perfect pairing, but not the worst.

@mercy_ said:

Is there anything that actually makes you happy?

An interesting question. I'm gonna guess puppies, everyone likes puppies.

#33 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@mercy_: Perez era ww, GOOD superman stories, street fighter, and fried chicken

#34 Posted by JediXMan (29295 posts) - - Show Bio
#35 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoy_elite: The difference is, unlike say Selina Kyle, Wonder Woman has self respect. I doubt she'd be attracted to somebody just because they were damaged goods or a bad boy.

#36 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoy_elite: The difference is, unlike say Selina Kyle, Wonder Woman has self respect. I doubt she'd be attracted to somebody just because they were damaged goods or a bad boy.

She likes him because of what makes him heroic, not what makes him dark or "damaged".

#37 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoy_elite: I couldnt respond to this comment without an immediate flame war.

#38 Edited by Outside_85 (8016 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, so you hate the man for petty and insignificant reasons...

#39 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: I hate him as a creator for pretty obvious reasons

#40 Edited by Outside_85 (8016 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Edited by Jnr6Lil (7680 posts) - - Show Bio

@jointron33 said:

@jnr6lil: She was written as a huge bitch, which she is not

How, all your threads seem to be about creating controversy just for the sole purpose of being different.

Wonder Woman is in love with Batman in the comics so much she got a Star Sapphire ring. Despite how psycho he is, his humanity is still there. Nor is he a misogynist.

#42 Edited by batmannflash (6170 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Timm beautifully portrayed every character. Timmverse Batman is the most faithful Batman outside of comics. Superman was not a wimp, he was just a boy scout like he was supposed to be. Both Wonder Woman and Superman were badasses. Wally was lovable and John Stewart was tough as nails. He made Hawkgirl popular. Joker was fantastic and he created Harley Quinn. If I want to show someone who doesn't know DC characters well, I would tell them to watch any of the Timmverse animated series.

#43 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoy_elite: I couldnt respond to this comment without an immediate flame war.

Hmm, alright. Well, hope you didn't take my arguing as offensive or anything, I just disagreed with your opinion on the matter. :)

#44 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by Outside_85 (8016 posts) - - Show Bio

The impact of Timm shouldn't be underestimated, as Batmanflash says, he gave us;

  1. Harley Quinn
  2. Mark Hamill as the Joker, no one comes close to that laugh or that voice
  3. Had the best ever version of Mr. Freeze, bar none (before the Dini-written Heart of Ice Freeze was mostly considered a joke)
  4. Made Hawkgirl popular enough for me to speculate there's quite a few who wonders why DC is still neglecting her in favor of Hawkman
  5. Made John Steward popular enough to make people ask why the GL in the movie was a white guy (probably saved him from getting killed in the comics too).
  6. Had a singular, uncomplicated vision for his shows... Which is why his cartoons is so much easier for non-readers to get into the whole superhero world.
  7. His longtime collaborator, Glen Murakami, went one to create the Teen Titans cartoon, a show that's still massively popular.
  8. And pretty much ushed superheroes into the modern age of cartoons.
#46 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12416 posts) - - Show Bio

why do you always single Timm out even though he was only one of the producers of the show. he isn't in charge of everything, the only reason we call it the Timmverse was because the animation in each show was modeled after his art

the ONLY reason people refer to his btas and the like as the Timmverse is because they all used his art. i understand you have problems with how things turned so why don't you blame it on the actual writers like Darwin Cooke,Dwayne Mcduffie, Alan Burnett, Gail Simone, Mitch Brian, Eddie Gorodetsky, J.M Dematteis, Paul Dini or anyone of the other people who ACTUALLY WROTE the episodes if you have such a hate on?

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#47 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (32195 posts) - - Show Bio

You said what now?

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#48 Edited by batmannflash (6170 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Yeah the Timmverse has had an incredibly big (and positive) impact on the DC universe. Yeah thanks for bringing that up. I forgot Mr Freeze, who he turned into a great villain, as well as Poison Ivy. And don't forget Kevin Conroy as Batman!

#49 Edited by danhimself (22217 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like throwing this word out very often but .... troll

#50 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5732 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Timm's not overrated. Paul Dini...Ehhhhhh.