Black people thread

@mrdecepticonleader: It means peace. I had a whole retort lined up but what the hell's the point?

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: It means peace. I had a whole retort lined up but what the hell's the point?

Whatever.

@Xanni15 said:

@White Mage said:

@Xanni15 said:

@White Mage said:

@Xanni15 said:

1. The fact that people have to be force fed Black history. Not everyone knows these things, I certainly did not learn about them in school. It's not to bring down anyone, just that reflecting on the history of all people needs to be improved. And one way to change negative treatment is through education, and I'm not talking about History class during February. It's almost like the entire History class is about White people, then it stops and Black people take over in February, then March is back to White people

2. Why, though? Can't everyone just celebrate History equally throughout the year? If equality is the goal, then it should end there.

1. If it's only coming up once a month, then you can't say that it's being force fed. However, I do agree that history of all people needs to be improved. There's a lot of very interesting information that's still not being released...which is unfortunate.

2. "Equality" in what sense? We can have equal rights, and still celebrate our cultural differences. It's a celebration/acknowledgement of our culture and accomplishments. Being equals doesn't mean that you just stop celebrating the lives of the survivors/innovators/ that got you here in the first place. Especially when it wasn't all that long ago that they had to go through bullsh*t in order to get us to where we are now.

1. My point was more that when February rolls around you know for sure you're learning about Black history. In school it was force fed, which is where the majority of learning goes on when you're younger. I would prefer if Black history was integrated into the rest of history, spread it out throughout the year, one month shouldn't be the only time. I completely agree on your last comment.

2. Equality in that all people are created equal, rights, livelihood, opportunities, etc. But why do cultural differences need their own month. Wouldn't you rather it be celebrated throughout the year, giving more time to such important topics and people? Personally I just feel like focusing so much on the past will prevent people from moving forward. Now this isn't just Black people, or even non-White people. And of course I know it's easier for me to say since I'm not a minority, but I still feel that way.

1. My apologies for clearly misunderstanding you. We have no real difference of opinion on the history being spread throughout, so kumbaya

2. See, the way I was raised, Black History month wasn't just a massive history lesson. It was a celebration. A time to recognize the beauty of progress and racial equality. For me, it's like Christmas and Sundays (not quite, but bear with me): Jesus is celebrated every day, but certain holidays/Sundays are times that Christians gather and give special attention to the journey he took for them to be...well...Christians. I think focusing on the past is fine. Living in the past, on the other hand, is a different scenario. Besides, it wasn't just black people who made this progress possible. White people also risked their lives/died for equal rights, and were called out of their names for supporting black americans. I think it's something worth celebrating, because we all took serious/intense measures in order to break through boundaries and move into the America that we know of today.

1. No problem, I've been all over the place in this thread. lol

2. When you put it like that, it makes more sense. I just wish that it was celebrated more throughout the year by everyone. When I was in school I found certain aspects of Black history very interesting, and I don't think it does the people who made such break throughs and put their lives on the line to just place them inside their own little month. It is said that White people have the rest of the year, but everyone should have the entire year, but maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I pretty much agree with you on this. I wouldn't say it's wishful thinking on your part. I think it's more "progressive", if you will...this is something that has to happen, in my opinion

friendly!

@Xanni15 said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

Idk if its a good idea to make threads like this, I don't personally have a problem with them but other people do and will start arguments over racism and such things. Just 'chiming in'.

What do you mean "Other people"? :P

just anybody who might be offended by something like this. And anyone who is should realize that the internet is pretty impersonal and we shouldn't take offense at things online.

Power to the people. Bless up.

@ChaosBlazer said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

Idk if its a good idea to make threads like this, I don't personally have a problem with them but other people do and will start arguments over racism and such things. Just 'chiming in'.

What do you mean "Other people"? :P

just anybody who might be offended by something like this. And anyone who is should realize that the internet is pretty impersonal and we shouldn't take offense at things online.

It was just a joke.

@Xanni15 said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

Idk if its a good idea to make threads like this, I don't personally have a problem with them but other people do and will start arguments over racism and such things. Just 'chiming in'.

What do you mean "Other people"? :P

just anybody who might be offended by something like this. And anyone who is should realize that the internet is pretty impersonal and we shouldn't take offense at things online.

It was just a joke.

lol... yeah I'm pretty bad at picking up things like that...

I don't like the term African American.

And I don't like the fact that the term black is what used to describe Dark skin people who don't speak Spanish or come from Asia and pacific islands.

awesomeness! : )

@Agent9149: Ah elaborate bro.

*mouth drops* Boy bye.

@Nelomaxwell: Well for the African American part: Many times when I was in school, during standardized tests, I would have to bubble in my ethnicity. And many a times, I would use have to bubble in African American. I always resented that. Why? Because I'm not African American. My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents aren't from or have ever been to Africa. I am from the Caribbean. My culture, language, and customs differ with "African Americans" yet I am listed as part of those groups. Immigrants who come straight from Africa, who are literally African American, are listed in the same demographic yet their culture is completely different.

And what bugs me the most is that "African Americans" have been around just as long as white Americans in America, yet white people aren't called European Americans.

For the term black: I don't like how term black is used to group everybody with Dark skin or African descent together. It seems so lazy and inconsiderate to the many different cultures.

@joshmightbe said:

I'm still wondering where Native American History month is, they have one for black folks, Latinos and Asians. Did we trade or month for casinos? Actually that's not such a bad trade cause at least we get something good out of a trade with white folks for once.

i honestly dont see why theres no White history month?

WOw.

I'm so sick of these sensitive punks being so touchy about everything. There is a gay thread. Atheist thread. Religious people only thread. nothing wrong with noticing the differences we have. After all the $hit we have put blacks and indians through they deserve much more then we have given them

@AllStarSuperman said:

@joshmightbe said:

I'm still wondering where Native American History month is, they have one for black folks, Latinos and Asians. Did we trade or month for casinos? Actually that's not such a bad trade cause at least we get something good out of a trade with white folks for once.

i honestly dont see why theres no White history month?

There are 11 of them.

@TheNooseIsLoose: I was mostly kidding about the Native American History month, honestly the whole concept of Black History month should be insulting to black people if you stop and think about it, its like PC white people are giving them permission to learn their history one month a year.

Hmm. I'm not black, but, which colour does batman use for his suit? :p

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

Hmm. I'm not black, but, which colour does batman use for his suit? :p

...Grey?

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

Hmm. I'm not black, but, which colour does batman use for his suit? :p

...Grey?

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@AllStarSuperman said:

@joshmightbe said:

I'm still wondering where Native American History month is, they have one for black folks, Latinos and Asians. Did we trade or month for casinos? Actually that's not such a bad trade cause at least we get something good out of a trade with white folks for once.

i honestly dont see why theres no White history month?

I agree.

@joshmightbe said:

@TheNooseIsLoose: I was mostly kidding about the Native American History month, honestly the whole concept of Black History month should be insulting to black people if you stop and think about it, its like PC white people are giving them permission to learn their history one month a year.

The "history once a year" part does actually frustrate me. The celebration of heritage part is the thing that doesn't bother me.

Uh....I can't believe this thread was made, but I'm black so maybe I should post on this thread.. O_o

@White Mage said:

@joshmightbe said:

@TheNooseIsLoose: I was mostly kidding about the Native American History month, honestly the whole concept of Black History month should be insulting to black people if you stop and think about it, its like PC white people are giving them permission to learn their history one month a year.

The "history once a year" part does actually frustrate me. The celebration of heritage part is the thing that doesn't bother me.

I agree with the 2 quoted things, everybody should celebrate heritage regardless of what day it is...

I'm black or African-American or what have you, and am more focused on being a success than my skin color. Concentrate on being successful, creative in entrepreneurial projects and an owner of assets - these will make you a builder. Try to avoid becoming just another consumer - being a faceless consumer is not as powerful as being a competitor or owner of a controlling interest. It is somewhat dispiriting to see younger American kids unable to spell, form coherent thoughts longer than a sentence or engage in any focused mental effort for longer than a minute, regardless of race.

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Us black people rule ! :P

@mrdecepticonleader: This is So true.

@joshmightbe: Agreed.

I like this thread. I see a lot of people who thinks like me and is well educated about it.

The solution to the people problem is that we all have to get along. We have to help them remove what blinds them, and remove it. So they can see what they really need to see. We have to educated them, and get those lies out of them, that blinds them to be that way. Some of them is representing their streets, hoods, gangs, and ect. I have not seen or known for any streets that can bring up back to life. The same for the rest of them. I have not seen money go to war for you. It the little things that make better person and improve us as a race overall. Not Just Black people( or Brown People), but All people, The human race. The little things is easy for GOD to do, but yet so hard for us to do. We have to rid ourselves of the mentality of trying to prove to Someone. We don't have to prove to anyone, but just be correct.

We have to get rid ourselves of ignorance....And love one another. We all have somebody that we don't like, but don't means you need to kill them or do harm to them. It better to love them then not to not know them at all. We don't know what they are going through and neither do they about you. We have to think that other people might just be as smart as you or smarter than you. We need to stop being jealous and Envy of one another. We need to see Violence do not solve a thing, it not even close. We need to learn how to build up someone and encourage someone instead of trying to bring someone down. Last but not less, we need to stop teaching these kids that what see is wrong is what they supposed to do.

@pooty said:

After all the $hit we have put blacks and indians through they deserve much more then we have given them

What do you mean by "WE"?

@Pyrogram: True.

@tg1982 said:

@pooty said:

After all the $hit we have put blacks and indians through they deserve much more then we have given them

What do you mean by "WE"?

Myself and other americans who have taken advantage of or benefited from the way blacks and Indians were mistreated.

@pootysaid:

@tg1982 said:

@pooty said:

After all the $hit we have put blacks and indians through they deserve much more then we have given them

What do you mean by "WE"?

Myself and other americans who have taken advantage of or benefited from the way blacks and Indians were mistreated.

Oh. What did you do to benefit?

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: How exactly are you segregated? I asked a question I didn't say other races couldn't respond.

In the OP you say "hey fellow black people" that seems like segregation to me.If someone said "hey fellow white people" it would be exactly the same.

I don't really see your point. He, as an author, picked his audience. I only skimmed the OP, but it seems like it was concerning issues he sees in the black community. So naturally, he addressed the black community.

That is not segregation in any negative sense, any more so as it to have separate bathrooms for each gender. It's practical and relevant in each case.

Long story short: All the different groups of their worlds have their own commonalities and possibly histories. Males have commonalities with males. Native Americans with Native American. People who browse comicvine with people who browse comicvine. New Yorkers. Houstonians. Katrinians. Stopping "segregation" or racism or whatever your ultimate point here is does not entail us taking a poo at the shared circumstances and histories that groups have within groups. Let's not simply pretend they don't exist.

/latepost

/thethingsIdotoprocrastinateworkingonapaper

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: How exactly are you segregated? I asked a question I didn't say other races couldn't respond.

In the OP you say "hey fellow black people" that seems like segregation to me.If someone said "hey fellow white people" it would be exactly the same.

I don't really see your point. He, as an author, picked his audience. I only skimmed the OP, but it seems like it was concerning issues he sees in the black community. So naturally, he addressed the black community.

That is not segregation in any negative sense, any more so as it to have separate bathrooms for each gender. It's practical and relevant in each case.

Long story short: All the different groups of their worlds have their own commonalities and possibly histories. Males have commonalities with males. Native Americans with Native American. People who browse comicvine with people who browse comicvine. New Yorkers. Houstonians. Katrinians. Stopping "segregation" or racism or whatever your ultimate point here is does not entail us taking a poo at the shared circumstances and histories that groups have within groups. Let's not simply pretend they don't exist.

/latepost

/thethingsIdotoprocrastinateworkingonapaper

Its just identifying people based on their skin colour/ethnicity and just grouping them together.Instead we should judge people by their character and not their appearance.

I never said anything about pretending different cultures and countries histories not existing.Don't know where you got that from.

i was wondering how this thread was going to go, i guess i will check on it from time to time

Cool Yo!

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: How exactly are you segregated? I asked a question I didn't say other races couldn't respond.

In the OP you say "hey fellow black people" that seems like segregation to me.If someone said "hey fellow white people" it would be exactly the same.

I don't really see your point. He, as an author, picked his audience. I only skimmed the OP, but it seems like it was concerning issues he sees in the black community. So naturally, he addressed the black community.

That is not segregation in any negative sense, any more so as it to have separate bathrooms for each gender. It's practical and relevant in each case.

Long story short: All the different groups of their worlds have their own commonalities and possibly histories. Males have commonalities with males. Native Americans with Native American. People who browse comicvine with people who browse comicvine. New Yorkers. Houstonians. Katrinians. Stopping "segregation" or racism or whatever your ultimate point here is does not entail us taking a poo at the shared circumstances and histories that groups have within groups. Let's not simply pretend they don't exist.

/latepost

/thethingsIdotoprocrastinateworkingonapaper

Jez don't even respond to dude. I'm not sure why he even stepped into the thread except to whine about being left out or segregated or what the hell ever.

I don't know where everyone got the dumb ass Idea that this thread was about anything other than solutions to black on black violence which has recently skyrocketed. I posted a link to the comparisons with the deaths in Afghanistan. All that segregationist mess everyone is talking actually just negates the issue and otherwise seems like the whining of kids in a school yard who though they were allowed to play kick ball they weren't called by name and so now they're throwing a stink.

@Nelomaxwell: lol

I wasn't even whining. I am not getting into this again I already did with you and it was all futile.

So yeah I am done here.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: How exactly are you segregated? I asked a question I didn't say other races couldn't respond.

In the OP you say "hey fellow black people" that seems like segregation to me.If someone said "hey fellow white people" it would be exactly the same.

I don't really see your point. He, as an author, picked his audience. I only skimmed the OP, but it seems like it was concerning issues he sees in the black community. So naturally, he addressed the black community.

That is not segregation in any negative sense, any more so as it to have separate bathrooms for each gender. It's practical and relevant in each case.

Long story short: All the different groups of their worlds have their own commonalities and possibly histories. Males have commonalities with males. Native Americans with Native American. People who browse comicvine with people who browse comicvine. New Yorkers. Houstonians. Katrinians. Stopping "segregation" or racism or whatever your ultimate point here is does not entail us taking a poo at the shared circumstances and histories that groups have within groups. Let's not simply pretend they don't exist.

/latepost

/thethingsIdotoprocrastinateworkingonapaper

Its just identifying people based on their skin colour/ethnicity and just grouping them together.Instead we should judge people by their character and not their appearance.

I never said anything about pretending different cultures and countries histories not existing.Don't know where you got that from.

So, we should not have separate gender locker rooms and bathrooms right? Because that would be "judging" people by their appearance instead of their character?

I don't think you quite understand what the word "judge" means. You re so grossly wrong that I'm actually gonna take time out of my schoolwork to keep replying to you. No offense, but you sound like a 10 year olds interpretation of King's I Have A Dream speech.

@Nelomaxwell said:

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

@mrdecepticonleader: How exactly are you segregated? I asked a question I didn't say other races couldn't respond.

In the OP you say "hey fellow black people" that seems like segregation to me.If someone said "hey fellow white people" it would be exactly the same.

I don't really see your point. He, as an author, picked his audience. I only skimmed the OP, but it seems like it was concerning issues he sees in the black community. So naturally, he addressed the black community.

That is not segregation in any negative sense, any more so as it to have separate bathrooms for each gender. It's practical and relevant in each case.

Long story short: All the different groups of their worlds have their own commonalities and possibly histories. Males have commonalities with males. Native Americans with Native American. People who browse comicvine with people who browse comicvine. New Yorkers. Houstonians. Katrinians. Stopping "segregation" or racism or whatever your ultimate point here is does not entail us taking a poo at the shared circumstances and histories that groups have within groups. Let's not simply pretend they don't exist.

/latepost

/thethingsIdotoprocrastinateworkingonapaper

Jez don't even respond to dude. I'm not sure why he even stepped into the thread except to whine about being left out or segregated or what the hell ever.

I can't help it...

@Jezer:Whatever.

As I said I am done posting here.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Jezer:Whatever.

As I said I am done posting here.

Bro, this isn't the case where you go "whatever. I'm done" and walk off without listening to what the other person says, that you don't want to hear.

First of all, what you actually said was that you were done because you already "got into it" with Nelomaxwell and it was "futile". You haven't discussed this with me yet, at least give me the benefit of a doubt in terms of what I can understand or not instead of dismissing me as a lost cause without even trying. If you have points or merits, I will understand them and acknowledge them. Trust me.

Second of all, what you're saying is the type of thing that can get you laughed at, dismissed in real life. I'm trying to help you before you say this to someone who respects you intellectually and is actually in your life - as opposed to us random internet people.

The fact of the matter is: All squares are shapes. Not all shapes are squares. Triangles and rhombuses are shapes too. What does that mean?

We all fall into categories and groups. We are all human, for example. And within those groups, are more groups. Some humans are Americans. Some humans are Africans. Some are Asian. Some of these groups are basically shared through appearance, in most cases. Women are all human. Women are also their own group, they're all women because of their bodies, appearance, experiences, etc. that make them all look like women. We can't simply say, "women don't exist as a group. People are only what they are on the inside" because that ignores the real differences there are between women and men, and the experiences like sexism that they experience as a group.

This same thing applies to race.

Nelomaxwell addressing the black community is not ignoring all the individual differences they all have individually, yes everyone is unique and everyone has their own character. No, Nelo addressing the black community is acknowledging all the shared history, struggles, as well as appearance, that unites them despite their individuality. That is not "judging" in any sense of the word, that is objective reality.

I love females too much to be racist

Do you guys like Mayweather?

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Jezer:Whatever.

As I said I am done posting here.

Bro, this isn't the case where you go "whatever. I'm done" and walk off without listening to what the other person says, that you don't want to hear.

First of all, what you actually said was that you were done because you already "got into it" with Nelomaxwell and it was "futile". You haven't discussed this with me yet, at least give me the benefit of a doubt in terms of what I can understand or not instead of dismissing me as a lost cause without even trying. If you have points or merits, I will understand them and acknowledge them. Trust me.

Second of all, what you're saying is the type of thing that can get you laughed at, dismissed in real life. I'm trying to help you before you say this to someone who respects you intellectually and is actually in your life - as opposed to us random internet people.

The fact of the matter is: All squares are shapes. Not all shapes are squares. Triangles and rhombuses are shapes too. What does that mean?

We all fall into categories and groups. We are all human, for example. And within those groups, are more groups. Some humans are Americans. Some humans are Africans. Some are Asian. Some of these groups are basically shared through appearance, in most cases. Women are all human. Women are also their own group, they're all women because of their bodies, appearance, experiences, etc. that make them all look like women. We can't simply say, "women don't exist as a group. People are only what they are on the inside" because that ignores the real differences there are between women and men, and the experiences like sexism that they experience as a group.

This same thing applies to race.

Nelomaxwell addressing the black community is not ignoring all the individual differences they all have individually, yes everyone is unique and everyone has their own character. No, Nelo addressing the black community is acknowledging all the shared history, struggles, as well as appearance, that unites them despite their individuality. That is not "judging" in any sense of the word, that is objective reality.

Why? When I was trying to get my point across no one listened to me,I don't really feel like discussing this all over again.

Saying what can get me laughed at? I know and understand what you are saying,but that wasn't really the point I was trying to make.

But what I don't like is when a group of black people or white people come together just simply because of their skin colour.And just look at things from that point of view.That is the kind of thing I was getting at.

I don't really feel like talking about this again to be honest.You just come off as a little insulting too.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Jezer said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Jezer:Whatever.

As I said I am done posting here.

Bro, this isn't the case where you go "whatever. I'm done" and walk off without listening to what the other person says, that you don't want to hear.

First of all, what you actually said was that you were done because you already "got into it" with Nelomaxwell and it was "futile". You haven't discussed this with me yet, at least give me the benefit of a doubt in terms of what I can understand or not instead of dismissing me as a lost cause without even trying. If you have points or merits, I will understand them and acknowledge them. Trust me.

Second of all, what you're saying is the type of thing that can get you laughed at, dismissed in real life. I'm trying to help you before you say this to someone who respects you intellectually and is actually in your life - as opposed to us random internet people.

The fact of the matter is: All squares are shapes. Not all shapes are squares. Triangles and rhombuses are shapes too. What does that mean?

We all fall into categories and groups. We are all human, for example. And within those groups, are more groups. Some humans are Americans. Some humans are Africans. Some are Asian. Some of these groups are basically shared through appearance, in most cases. Women are all human. Women are also their own group, they're all women because of their bodies, appearance, experiences, etc. that make them all look like women. We can't simply say, "women don't exist as a group. People are only what they are on the inside" because that ignores the real differences there are between women and men, and the experiences like sexism that they experience as a group.

This same thing applies to race.

Nelomaxwell addressing the black community is not ignoring all the individual differences they all have individually, yes everyone is unique and everyone has their own character. No, Nelo addressing the black community is acknowledging all the shared history, struggles, as well as appearance, that unites them despite their individuality. That is not "judging" in any sense of the word, that is objective reality.

But what I don't like is when a group of black people or white people come together just simply because of their skin colour.And just look at things from that point of view.That is the kind of thing I was getting at.

Yes, that's what you said already. You said that they shouldn't because we should "judge by character".

My reply was that--there are things that black people or any race go through because of their shared skin colour. So why exactly would they not get together to address that, as having shared in those problems or issues?

You have yet to answer this.

You get together and post on a website with people on comicvine simply because you guys share the hobby of reading comics, and have similar things that you guys know about or go through as comic fans. And then, you look at it from your point of view as a comic fan. How is this any different?

It isn't.