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#2 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait to see the argument for how this thread is not political. 

#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: links don't work

#4 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh my god Obama did something that every president since Washington has been able to do that congress Senate and the Supreme Court all have the power to over turn what ever shall we do?!

#6 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

Oh my god Obama did something that every president since Washington has been able to do that congress Senate and the Supreme Court all have the power to over turn what ever shall we do?!

The off topic forums is a big hotspot for gun control, these executive orders have everything to do with gun control.

#7 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: True but its gotten annoying.

#8 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio
@MasterJohn said:

@joshmightbe said:

Oh my god Obama did something that every president since Washington has been able to do that congress Senate and the Supreme Court all have the power to over turn what ever shall we do?!

The off topic forums is a big hotspot for gun control, these executive orders have everything to do with gun control.

You do know it's only a hot spot for gun control because it's literally the only section where threads about it won't be locked?
#9 Edited by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you know how many executive orders George W. Bush enacted?

#10 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio
@Glitch_Spawn said:

Do you know how many executive orders George W. Bush enacted?

291
#11 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Matchstick said:

@Glitch_Spawn said:

Do you know how many executive orders George W. Bush enacted?

291

Yep 291. Well done.@MasterJohn:

#12 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to see why this required a dedicated thread.  This could have gone in any of the numerous other gun threads especially considering how non controversial all of  the executive orders are. 

#13 Posted by _Zombie_ (10394 posts) - - Show Bio

@Matchstick said:

I fail to see why this required a dedicated thread. This could have gone in any of the numerous other gun threads especially considering how non controversial all of the executive orders are.

Bingo.

#14 Edited by BiteMe-Fanboy (7729 posts) - - Show Bio

How about stop crying about this thread and ignore it? Yeah this guy makes a lot of political threads, but who cares? If a mod locks it then it's obviously not a necessary off-topic thread, if they dont, then too bad. =P.

But anyways, ON TOPIC...

I read an article about some of the gun control laws Obama will be pushing on Yahoo... Says he wants to ban assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 bullets. Meh... I don't really care. I have no use for assault rifles. The only things I do with my guns is: hunt (shotgun, 30-30 rifle, and 30-06 rifle) and shoot skeets/targets (again shotguns and rifles)...

#15 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio
@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

How about stop crying about this thread and ignore it? Yeah this guy makes a lot of political threads, but who cares? If a mod locks it then it's obviously not a necessary off-topic thread, if they dont, then too bad. =P.

But anyways, ON TOPIC...

I read an article about some of the gun control laws Obama will be pushing on Yahoo... Says he wants to ban assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 bullets. Meh... I don't really care. I have no use for assault rifles. The only things I do with my guns is: hunt (shotgun, 30-30 rifle, and 30-06 rifle) and shoot skeets/targets (again shotguns and rifles)...

Complaining about other people complaining makes you just as bad.
#16 Posted by PowerHerc (83255 posts) - - Show Bio

Executive orders are mostly bullsh_t.

They are the President's, no matter whom that might be, way around having to wait for legislation to pass, way to bypass current legislation or way to in effect create law. This kind of thing was one of the biggest reasons the U.S. broke free from England/the British Empire to begin with; Americans didn't want a king/ruler.

Bush did way to many and Obama is now doing so, too. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter who the President is, or which political party the President is a member of, an executive order from a President is a lot like an edict/decree from a king. It's certainly not democracy.

#17 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

Executive orders are mostly bullsh_t.

They are the President's, no matter whom that might be, way around having to wait for legislation to pass, way to bypass current legislation or way to in effect create law. This kind of thing was one of the biggest reasons the U.S. broke free from England/the British Empire to begin with; Americans didn't want a king/ruler.

Bush did way to many and Obama is now doing so, too. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter who the President is, or which political party the President is a member of, an executive order from a President is a lot like an edict/decree from a king. It's certainly not democracy.

The problem with that comparison is that an executive order can be overturned, a royal decree cannot.
#18 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@BiteMe-Fanboy: As an American I have a constitutional right to bitch about whatever the hell I want to bitch about.

#19 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@Glitch_Spawn said:

@Matchstick said:

@Glitch_Spawn said:

Do you know how many executive orders George W. Bush enacted?

291

Yep 291. Well done.@MasterJohn:

I do not defend Bush. However in 2001 Bush raised the debt ceiling to 5.7 trillion and that was our total debt in the Bush era, Obama raised it to 16 trillion. By 2016 we are projected to be 20 trillion in debt. I would rather be 5.7 trillion in debt then in 16 trillion or 20 trillion in debt.

#20 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: You realize that those goons on Wall Street caused that 16 trillion dollar debt due to the republican deregulation that allowed them to basically piss our money away right? That's kind of been proven.

#21 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:

@MasterJohn: You realize that those goons on Wall Street caused that 16 trillion dollar debt due to the republican deregulation that allowed them to basically piss our money away right? That's kind of been proven.

This!  Not to mention that the national debt was at 10.6 trillion when Bush left office, not 5.7.
#22 Posted by _Zombie_ (10394 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy: As an American I have a constitutional right to bitch about whatever the hell I want to bitch about.

#23 Posted by Necrotic_Lycanthrope (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc:

For once, I'll agree with you right there Herc.

@joshmightbe:

Then go and parade with the Occupiers out there. If you failed to notice up to now, Republicans are not evil sadistic cretins like everybody thinks. They where just as much a frakking victim of the crash as any Democrat wanting attention was.

So stop pointing fingers. I lost a bundle set aside for college because of the wall-street fiasco, and you don't see me rant about Democrats in such a way, now do you?

#24 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@MasterJohn: You realize that those goons on Wall Street caused that 16 trillion dollar debt due to the republican deregulation that allowed them to basically piss our money away right? That's kind of been proven.

Republicans embrace conservatisim. Conservatives stand for less spending, less government, more personal responsibility. If you embrace the ideology that spending spending spending will repair our economy-your not a conservative.

Liberals use Clinton as a example of how their policies were "successful" when Clinton was president. HOWEVER, during Clinton's 2 terms the Republicans had been in control, Newt Gingrich and his congress (which had very had approval ratings) forced things onto Clinton and that led to more boom in the Clinton years. So you can thank the Republicans for the Clinton era because even Reagan's boom was still continuing through the Reagan years. Clinton said to bush if you follow the plan of the Congress, the Newt Congress, we'd be out of debt by 2010. However Bush is just a big spending liberal who penetrated the Republican party.

Plus, in his first term he raised the debt ceiling 3 times, he plans to do it again this year. We had "hope" that Obama's stimulus would save us when it just added onto the debt. Where does it end?

#25 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: I am not a Democrat, in fact I believe they are as much at fault as the Republicans if not more since while deregulation backfired at least the Republicans were trying to do something while as usual Democrats sat around with their thumbs up their ass while they waited to make sure they didn't offend anyone as usual.

#26 Posted by Necrotic_Lycanthrope (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe:

I just hate the automatic hate for Republicans. First it's Catholics. Then Sicilians. Now Republicans.

Seems like my type should just die off.

#27 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: The republicans are running congress now, so why is when it was going well under Clinton its because the republicans were running congress and now that its running bad its because of the democrat president?

#28 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: I'm anti political party honestly, the whole system basically makes it so its more about proving the other guy wrong than actually being right.

#29 Posted by Necrotic_Lycanthrope (2388 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe:

Party loyalist, but more Libertarian than anything.

Heck, I'm not even a loyalist. It's just that Conservatives are not recognized as an individual party and I don't want the party of Abe Lincoln destroyed for a single party authority.

#30 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@MasterJohn: The republicans are running congress now, so why is when it was going well under Clinton its because the republicans were running congress and now that its running bad its because of the democrat president?

Ah but under Clinton we also ran the senate. This president is a big spender, more people on foodstamps then ANY other President, more people on entitlements, 16 trillion dollar in debt, unemployment was above 8% for 42 straight months (just recently went down a few months ago) he even signed and EXECUTIVE ORDER to take control of all communications in emergency time, he also bypassed congress on Libya. This man is a King.

#31 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: I'm sick of the whole food stamp argument, my mom raised me on food stamps despite working 2 full time jobs and we still had trouble getting by during the Reagan and Bush Sr. eras so I'm the wrong guy to be bringing that argument to since I know for a fact that most of the people using food stamps are hard working people just trying to feed their kids in a system that makes it constantly harder for them to do so.

#32 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: Also Congress could have stopped any of this at anytime if they actually did their jobs so don't bring me that king s**t, your congressmen were just f**king lazy and useless as always

#33 Posted by Edamame (28075 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

However in 2001 Bush raised the debt ceiling to 5.7 trillion and that was our total debt in the Bush era, Obama raised it to 16 trillion. By 2016 we are projected to be 20 trillion in debt. I would rather be 5.7 trillion in debt then in 16 trillion or 20 trillion in debt

Well, those are all imaginary numbers. The government simply wants to make a big deal out of it and make excuses in order to increase tax revenue.

#34 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@Matchstick, actually Bush spent less then Obama. It's a fact, Obama spent MORE then Bush did national debt...Bush spent Billions...while Obama spent Trillions...

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

How about stop crying about this thread and ignore it? Yeah this guy makes a lot of political threads, but who cares? If a mod locks it then it's obviously not a necessary off-topic thread, if they dont, then too bad. =P.

But anyways, ON TOPIC...

I read an article about some of the gun control laws Obama will be pushing on Yahoo... Says he wants to ban assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 bullets. Meh... I don't really care. I have no use for assault rifles. The only things I do with my guns is: hunt (shotgun, 30-30 rifle, and 30-06 rifle) and shoot skeets/targets (again shotguns and rifles)...

I agree. lol I've gotten some of the same nonsense for past topics. I also love how people bring up Bush and past presidents when the topic is concerning Obama. Is this guy like untouchable or something? lol

#35 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: I just bring up past presidents to show that Obama is doing an about average job, not great, not awful just average.

#36 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Vaeternus: I just bring up past presidents to show that Obama is doing an about average job, not great, not awful just average.

I'll just agree to disagree on that. I think he's doing a horrible job with certain policies...plus, keep in mind his term isn't even up yet. We'll see where he leaves the country 4 years from now...

#37 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: To be honest at this point in time there isn't a single person in our federal government doing their job at any kind of acceptable level and even the best of Presidents wouldn't be able to run the whole show on his own without looking bad. Obama has the misfortune of being an average guy in the absolute worst time in the history of American politics.

#38 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Vaeternus: To be honest at this point in time there isn't a single person in our federal government doing their job at any kind of acceptable level and even the best of Presidents wouldn't be able to run the whole show on his own without looking bad. Obama has the misfortune of being an average guy in the absolute worst time in the history of American politics.

Well, I agree that all politicians suck and it's all corrupt. I just at the same thing feel that some policies or moves are obvious to the logical person if it's good or not. These guys that come in, preach about spending less money on whatever then outspending the previous president annoys me.

I don't like how a President will also do everything in their power to get what they want despite if 50% of the country is against it..

I'm sure no man President is perfect, not asking for that but I'd still wager guys like JFK or Lincoln would be doing a 100% better job then this guy now. Minimum 90%. I just feel at this point, it's a copout excuse with the he's in worse times...true, so was Bush, Clinton etc but the idea is to make things better not worse lol. And there have been worse times then now believe it or not with the great depression, world wars etc and we've managed...I'm not saying it's all rainbows and cheers now, but just saying while times are rough now. We've been through worse historically.

#39 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: I know they're have been much worse times historically I was referring more to the actual state of politics with the legalized bribery known as Lobbying, the constant partisan pissing contests and career politicians that care more about being reelected than doing the job we pay them to do.

#40 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: Well, lobbying sadly has gone on for years long before the past 3-4 presidents. It's sadly something I think that will continue despite parties in politics because it's just one of those things that prove politics in general are corrupt.

A lot of these guys now seem to be concerned about their own legacy then actually helping the country move in a positive direction.

#41 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: I'd say if we're looking for people to blame at this point for the state of the nation its gotta be us for continuing to allow these morons to run our nation into the ground.

#42 Posted by Agent9149 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Good.

#43 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Vaeternus: I'd say if we're looking for people to blame at this point for the state of the nation its gotta be us for continuing to allow these morons to run our nation into the ground.

Well, no argument there lol. I mean, sometimes the people are just stupid, ignorant to see the light. But sadly I think people vote for politicians now days with that all-star game mentality, meaning it's all a popularity contest...

Owe, I'll vote for this guy cause he's cool!! He has "swagger" Really? lol

#44 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3960 posts) - - Show Bio

#45 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vaeternus: Reminds me of a line from my wife's favorite movie, The American President." If FDR ran for President today America would not elect a man in a wheelchair." Regardless of qualification America elects the dude who looks good in a suit then we act all surprised that he's not qualified despite everyone who was paying attention telling them about their incompetence.

#46 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Vaeternus: Reminds me of a line from my wife's favorite movie, The American President." If FDR ran for President today America would not elect a man in a wheelchair." Regardless of qualification America elects the dude who looks good in a suit then we act all surprised that he's not qualified despite everyone who was paying attention telling them about their incompetence.

Yeah I mean, that's just it. People tend to vote for people for all the wrong reasons these days.

#47 Posted by spetsnaz_gru (235 posts) - - Show Bio

In other news, a judge in New England sentenced a criminal to 10 years in prison. Shocker! Dun dun duuuuuun!

#48 Posted by Lunacyde (18632 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Executive orders are mostly bullsh_t.

They are the President's, no matter whom that might be, way around having to wait for legislation to pass, way to bypass current legislation or way to in effect create law. This kind of thing was one of the biggest reasons the U.S. broke free from England/the British Empire to begin with; Americans didn't want a king/ruler.

Bush did way to many and Obama is now doing so, too. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter who the President is, or which political party the President is a member of, an executive order from a President is a lot like an edict/decree from a king. It's certainly not democracy.

You're right we should wait around for Congress to act....oh wait it's so disfunctional we couldn't get relief for victims of a natural disater without half the House throwing a fit.

#49 Posted by MonsterStomp (16899 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Obama. I'm not even American nor live there... But I like Obama.

Online
#50 Posted by PowerHerc (83255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

@PowerHerc said:

Executive orders are mostly bullsh_t.

They are the President's, no matter whom that might be, way around having to wait for legislation to pass, way to bypass current legislation or way to in effect create law. This kind of thing was one of the biggest reasons the U.S. broke free from England/the British Empire to begin with; Americans didn't want a king/ruler.

Bush did way to many and Obama is now doing so, too. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter who the President is, or which political party the President is a member of, an executive order from a President is a lot like an edict/decree from a king. It's certainly not democracy.

You're right we should wait around for Congress to act....oh wait it's so disfunctional we couldn't get relief for victims of a natural disater without half the House throwing a fit.

I can't defend Congress. It's dysfunctional. Hell, it's broken.

That said; the solution isn't giving or letting the president assume the role of a monarch therefore allowing for a defacto king.

The U.S. government is so corrupt, so inept and so disconnected from doing what is best for U.S. citizens it's unbelievable.