Balance of the Force
Edited By Maxie
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....
Well it's not like you can go to a bar and start talking about these topics with strangers.
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....
The Potentium believed the Force was only light.
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....
After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
Alrighty.
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
What exactly are you saying?
At the end of episode 3 there were 2 Jedi (Yoda & Obi Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine & Vader). Balanced.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
What exactly are you saying?
At the end of episode 3 there were 2 Jedi (Yoda & Obi Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine & Vader). Balanced.
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
What exactly are you saying?
At the end of episode 3 there were 2 Jedi (Yoda & Obi Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine & Vader). Balanced.
No because Luke was the only one still alive, and Vader went over to the light, still balanced in the light's favor.
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
So out of curiosity, when are people going to stop pretending the balance of the Force has anything to do with the number of adepts for either side?
Also, the Force traditions established in Dawn of the Jedi are counterintuitive. The balance of the Force is not dependent on balance in individuals. It is dependent on the status of life throughout the universe. If life is honored on a grand scale, the balance remains. If life is demeaned on a grand scale, the balance falters. The light side path that the Jedi practice, particularly the strictures and ideas popularized during the NJO, are the most effective method of maintaining the balance. Simply harnessing the light side is insufficient. If the Fallanassi school of thought, for instance, was prominent, the balance would fail because the Fallanassi are extremist light siders; they do nothing to promote the balance. The Jedi, however, adhere to a philosophy that edifies life. As a result, the Force can sustain its balance. It is only when the Jedi and the Republic become complacent and corrupt and as a result fail in some areas to uphold their mandate that the balance could be affected, because life throughout the galaxy is dramatically influenced by the competence of the Jedi and the Republic. If they do their jobs correctly, the balance will be subsisted. The flaw of the Je'daii in DotJ is that they contend that balance in individuals will directly reflect balance in the Force. This is not so. They fail to differentiate between the light and dark sides of the Force and the light and dark sides of people. As well, practitioners of the dark side will not necessarily damage the balance if their deliberated goals have little effect on life in the universe. This is not to say that their existence helps the balance though. The light side encourages peace and life, which makes it the most effective way to uphold the balance of the Force. The dark side encourages chaos and self-aggrandizement, which, if followed to the extremes of dark side religions like the Nightsisters or the Sith, are potentially detrimental to the balance as the dark siders, in their egocentric ideas, will commit acts that demean life and will want the dark side to be superior to the light while light siders have no interest in elevating the light side over the dark. Because of this, the light side is preferable, which is why the later Jedi revised their code to disapprove of drawing on the dark side. So, no, the Je'daii and Revan had the wrong idea. The Jedi succeeded most in keeping the balance when they were light siders. This has been shown repeatedly throughout the lore.
PS: When and why the Je'daii changed their system of thinking to prohibit using the dark side is yet unclear; DotJ actually disregards continuity because it was previously stated that the original Jedi were solely light siders, not practitioners of both sides. And really, I don't care how many stories show Force sensitives "using the light and dark sides simultaneously," in a well-written story, that would never happen. It is not possible for a Force sensitive to "use the light and dark sides at once." The closest replication of that is Oneness, but Oneness is specifically not using the Force but rather immersing in totality with the Force so that the Force controls and uses the individual, not the individual controlling and using the Force. As a whole, the concept of "using both sides at the same time" is nonsense because it is incompatible with the dimensions of the Force's nature that have already been developed. The light and dark sides of the Force came into existence because of the emergence of light and dark sides within people. That said, no one can be both a light and dark sider, and no one can channel both aspects concurrently because different intentions, mindsets, emotions, and actions are required for them.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
No at the end of the original trilogy, Luke is the only one still not balanced.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
No at the end of the original trilogy, Luke is the only one still not balanced.
In reference to Anakin balancing the Force, Luke does not matter. By the end of Episode 3 the Force was balanced with 2 Jedi and 2 Sith, at that point prophecy fulfilled. Whatever happened in Episodes 4-6 is irreverent to the prophecy concerning Anakin.
...and again this is just from the movie viewers standpoint.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
No at the end of the original trilogy, Luke is the only one still not balanced.
In reference to Anakin balancing the Force, Luke does not matter. By the end of Episode 3 the Force was balanced with 2 Jedi and 2 Sith, at that point prophecy fulfilled. Whatever happened in Episodes 4-6 is irreverent to the prophecy concerning Anakin.
...and again this is just from the movie viewers standpoint.
Yes Luke matters, if you knew more about Star Wars you should know Anakin fulfilled the prophecy when he killed Palpatine.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....The Potentium believed the Force was only light.
And it was not correct. The Unifying and Living Force are the only true concepts.
Revan never really had the right idea.
The balance of the Force is not based on the number of individuals, and never has been.
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, there wasn't. There were others. The Force's balance, is, as I said before, not based on numbers, anyways. If it were, since Darth Bane's institution of the Rule of Two, there had only been two Sith, while how many Jedi? There are other types of Dark Side Force users as well, like Dark Jedi, Nightsisters, and so on.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
What exactly are you saying?
At the end of episode 3 there were 2 Jedi (Yoda & Obi Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine & Vader). Balanced.
Again, no. There were more Jedi, and for almost a thousand years, begun right after the Seventh Battle of Ruusan, the institution of the Sith left them with only two while the Jedi always had much, much more. It's not based on numbers in any sense.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
No at the end of the original trilogy, Luke is the only one still not balanced.
No, he wasn't. And again, the number of adepts for both sides is irrelevant to the balance of the Force.
@Silver2467 said:
So out of curiosity, when are people going to stop pretending the balance of the Force has anything to do with the number of adepts for either side?
Also, the Force traditions established in Dawn of the Jedi are counterintuitive. The balance of the Force is not dependent on balance in individuals. It is dependent on the status of life throughout the universe. If life is honored on a grand scale, the balance remains. If life is demeaned on a grand scale, the balance falters. The light side path that the Jedi practice, particularly the strictures and ideas popularized during the NJO, are the most effective method of maintaining the balance. Simply harnessing the light side is insufficient. If the Fallanassi school of thought, for instance, was prominent, the balance would fail because the Fallanassi are extremist light siders; they do nothing to promote the balance. The Jedi, however, adhere to a philosophy that edifies life. As a result, the Force can sustain its balance. It is only when the Jedi and the Republic become complacent and corrupt and as a result fail in some areas to uphold their mandate that the balance could be affected, because life throughout the galaxy is dramatically influenced by the competence of the Jedi and the Republic. If they do their jobs correctly, the balance will be subsisted. The flaw of the Je'daii in DotJ is that they contend that balance in individuals will directly reflect balance in the Force. This is not so. They fail to differentiate between the light and dark sides of the Force and the light and dark sides of people. As well, practitioners of the dark side will not necessarily damage the balance if their deliberated goals have little effect on life in the universe. This is not to say that their existence helps the balance though. The light side encourages peace and life, which makes it the most effective way to uphold the balance of the Force. The dark side encourages chaos and self-aggrandizement, which, if followed to the extremes of dark side religions like the Nightsisters or the Sith, are potentially detrimental to the balance as the dark siders, in their egocentric ideas, will commit acts that demean life and will want the dark side to be superior to the light while light siders have no interest in elevating the light side over the dark. Because of this, the light side is preferable, which is why the later Jedi revised their code to disapprove of drawing on the dark side. So, no, the Je'daii and Revan had the wrong idea. The Jedi succeeded most in keeping the balance when they were light siders. This has been shown repeatedly throughout the lore.
PS: When and why the Je'daii changed their system of thinking to prohibit using the dark side is yet unclear; DotJ actually disregards continuity because it was previously stated that the original Jedi were solely light siders, not practitioners of both sides. And really, I don't care how many stories show Force sensitives "using the light and dark sides simultaneously," in a well-written story, that would never happen. It is not possible for a Force sensitive to "use the light and dark sides at once." The closest replication of that is Oneness, but Oneness is specifically not using the Force but rather immersing in totality with the Force so that the Force controls and uses the individual, not the individual controlling and using the Force. As a whole, the concept of "using both sides at the same time" is nonsense because it is incompatible with the dimensions of the Force's nature that have already been developed. The light and dark sides of the Force came into existence because of the emergence of light and dark sides within people. That said, no one can be both a light and dark sider, and no one can channel both aspects concurrently because different intentions, mindsets, emotions, and actions are required for them.
This. One of two posters who posted here before me, who knows anything about this subject here.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
No, Luke, Anakin, Palpatine.
What exactly are you saying?
At the end of episode 3 there were 2 Jedi (Yoda & Obi Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine & Vader). Balanced.
No because Luke was the only one still alive, and Vader went over to the light, still balanced in the light's favor.
Oh, what.....
There were still Nightsisters and Dark Jedi. Again, not balanced in your terms. But numbers are irrelevant.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Another person who knows what he's talking about.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: I was talking about at the end of episode 3, not episode 6.
@JediXMan said:
@Jnr6Lil:
How in the world is it balanced in the light's favor? A couple of Jedi vs 2 Sith and countless Dark Jedi. No, it's not balanced.
@guttridgeb said:
There were loads of jedi left alive after RotS
- Kento Marek
- Roan Shryne
- Rahm Kota
- Shaak Ti
- Kazdan Paratus
To name a few
O_O
HERETIC!
Seems you guys are talking about Episode 3. But like JediXMan said still not balanced.
True, but to the casual viewer that hasn't seem any of the expanded material, it was balanced.
No at the end of the original trilogy, Luke is the only one still not balanced.
In reference to Anakin balancing the Force, Luke does not matter. By the end of Episode 3 the Force was balanced with 2 Jedi and 2 Sith, at that point prophecy fulfilled. Whatever happened in Episodes 4-6 is irreverent to the prophecy concerning Anakin.
...and again this is just from the movie viewers standpoint.
You obviously don't know what you're on about.
Episode 6 was Anakin's fulfilling of the prophecy. Yes, it was relevant.
And you don't appear to even know what the balance of the Force is.
Again, EU should be taken into consideration.
Even if from movies, if was stated Anakin was to destroy the darkness to bring balance, or at least along those lines.
@FinnVarra said:
@Jnr6Lil: oh well, I like my take on it better :-P If killing the Emperor was all it took to restore balance to the force then Anakin should have let Windu do it when he had the chance.
Aaaaaand no. Again, Windu wasn't supposed to do such.
Never was something i was big into.
Light and darkness were balanced cause of Galen Marek!
@JediXMan can vouch for that! Nyahahahahaha!
@ShootingNova: We're talking trilogy wise, Not EU.@ShootingNova said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....The Potentium believed the Force was only light.
And it was not correct. The Unifying and Living Force are the only true concepts.
There is no true concepts, You contradict yourself, because the Unifying Force says there is no light and dark only the Force, while the Living says there are 2 sides.
For the last time: The Unifying Force does not contend that there is no light or dark side. Yoda, Luke, and Sabla-Mandibu were adherents of the Unifying Force, and yet all of them believed in the existence of a light and dark side.
The idea that the Unifying Force has anything to do with a lack of a light and dark side is a wiki-perpetuated myth. Numerous sources state otherwise, the most important one being The Unifying Force which stated in no uncertain terms that the Unifying Force was the aspect of the Force that operated on a cosmic and future scale yet also stated that the Force does in fact have light and dark sides.
Furthermore, the Living and Unifying Force are not concepts. They are simply dual aspects of the Force, and yes, they do exist.
@Silver2467 said:
For the last time: The Unifying Force does not contend that there is no light or dark side. Yoda, Luke, and Sabla-Mandibu were adherents of the Unifying Force, and yet all of them believed in the existence of a light and dark side.
The idea that the Unifying Force has anything to do with a lack of a light and dark side is a wiki-perpetuated myth. Numerous sources state otherwise, the most important one being The Unifying Force which stated in no uncertain terms that the Unifying Force was the aspect of the Force that operated on a cosmic and future scale yet also stated that the Force does in fact have light and dark sides.
Furthermore, the Living and Unifying Force are not concepts. They are simply dual aspects of the Force, and yes, they do exist.
No, Yoda was an adherent of the Living Force
And yes the Unifying Force has to do with lack of a dark and light as in the books.
This misconception is tiring; so I will deal with it all at once. Here is the real fact: The Potentium is the idea that the Force possesses no light or dark side but is instead inherently good and benevolent and naturally light. It can only be corrupted (not entirely though) by the intentions of the individual who practices it. The Potentium, not the Unifying Force, is the only abstraction respective of the Force that could conceivably allow for a lack of light or dark sides (but not wholly so). The Unifying Force does not share this outlook.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars EncyclopediaThe core tenets of the Potentium held that all living things had the potential to create newer and better living things, and that ultimately the Force and the galaxy were developing as per a master plan that was inherently good. As such, there was no dark side, no evil undercurrent that could be tapped through the Force. Advocates of the concept believed that the Force could not turn one to evil. Rather, the living Force was the beginning and end of all things, and one's connections to it should not be mediated or obscured by any sort of training or discipline.
--Taken from the Power of the Jedi SourcebookAs Jedi learn more about the Force, they frequently form their own theories about how and why it works. They question how, if the Force creates and sustains life, it can have a dark side. Some arrive at the erroneous conclusion that the Force is not divided into dark and light—that there is only the Force, and that its energy is inherently positive, despite the use to which it is sometimes put. Those who believe in this theory feel that no "dark side" waits to corrupt them for daring to explore the limits of the Force any more than monsters wait beyond the galactic rim to devour starships. To them, the Jedi theory of the Force is just one way to perceive this potent life-energy, and the training and discipline the Jedi employ to reinforce their perspective only serves to justify the existence of the Jedi Order.
Seeking another answer, these self-styled philosophers relabel the Force something that fits their perception of it—"the Potentium" is but one example—and attempt to explore their philosophy as far as possible. Some come perilously close to the dark side before other Jedi patiently bring them back from the brink. These "heresies" are fortunately rare, for, if unchecked, they can produce dangerously powerful Dark Jedi. Sadly, those who follow this line of reasoning straight to the dark side rarely perceive the danger, believing that they are making new discoveries that the Jedi are afraid to explore. Some come back from the dark side willingly when they see the error of their ways. Some refuse to renounce their mistaken beliefs and must be exiled to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Some few must be, regrettably, destroyed.
The core of this theory asserts that there is no distinction between the light side and the dark side. It claims that both aspects of the Force are the same energy viewed from different perspectives. Its adherents theorize that using dark side powers (Fear, Force Grip, Force Lightning, and so on) in the service of good still serves the cause of good, and doing so cannot actually lead a person to want to use the Force for evil. They question why using a lightsaber to strike down an opponent is any different from using the Force to choke the breath out of someone. What they fail to see—and what the Jedi so diligently try to establish—is that being a Jedi is not about exploring the limits of the Force, but about using what is already known to protect peace and justice. Jedi students should concentrate on learning how to use the Force, and leave careful exploration to the Jedi Masters.
--Taken from Darth PlagueisHe paused to glance at Sidious. “No doubt the texts I’ve provided contain references to the so-called Potentium theory—that light and dark depend on the intention of the user. This is yet another perversion of the truth perpetrated by those who would keep us shackled to the Force. The power of water and the power of fire are entirely different. Glaciers and volcanoes both have the potential to transform landscapes, but one does so by burying what lies beneath, where the other spews forth new terrain. The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design."
--Taken from The Unifying ForceFounded in the pre-Palpatine Republic by would-be Jedi, the order known as the Potentium professed belief in a Force that was not divisible into light and dark.
The Living Force has nothing to do with the presence of a light or dark side. The Living Force is the Force as it manifests itself in the present, as a personal guiding force with ordinary circumstances and beings without much forethought to other prospects. Adherents of the Living Force are present-minded, not conscious of the future or past, merely following the Force to lead their actions without deliberation. Nowhere, not even once, has the Living Force been stated to submit the existence of a light and dark side. Novels such as Cloak of Deception or The Unifying Force have never upheld this idea. The Living Force is the personal side to the Force. Nothing more or less.
--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the ForceThe Force is bigger than all of us, but expresses itself in two aspects. The Living Force is raw and close at hand. It is the life energy tingling around you when you pass among plants and animals in a walk through the jungle. When beings die, you sense it through the Living Force. When many die at once, the loss of their energy may shock you, even knock you out. All of your tangible Force Force abilities—such as running, jumping, heightened senses, moving objects, or soothing the emotions of others—are techniques by which we become agents of the Living Force.
The Unifying Force is a vast cosmic power. You may not sense it yet, but with patience and insight you will. The Unifying Force is the stars and galaxies, the rippling surface of space and time. It is this voice that whispers of your destiny, and make no mistake—the Force does have a will. To commune with the Unifying Force is to temporarily leave your body, allowing you to walk in the past or see the future. Some of the ancients believe it is even possible to transcend death.
--Taken from Cloak of DeceptionObi-Wan bristled slightly at the mild reprimand, but it was deserved. He had a habit of looking forward, as opposed to staying in the moment, as Qui-Gon preferred—of attending to what the Jedi called the living Force.
--Taken from Cloak of Deception"I'm not worried, Masters," Obi-Wan said good-naturedly. "I'm only thinking forward." He waited for Qui-Gon to offer some piece of wisdom regarding the living Force, but for once his Master kept silent.
"Right you are to think forward, Padawan," Yaddle told him. "Deal lightly with matters of consequence, and decisively with those of little consequence. Difficult it is to face a crisis and solve it gently, if not resolved beforehand you are, for uncertainty will impede your efforts. When comes the time, thinking forward allows you to deal lightly."
Her big eyes shifted to favor Qui-Gon. "Agree do you, Qui-Gon?"
He bowed his head. "As you say, Master."
Diagonally across the table from Yaddle, Saesee Tiin glanced up and smiled, as if reading Qui-Gon's thoughts.
--Taken from Revenge of the SithThe reclosing of the deck canopy quieted the howl of the wind outside, and now from deeper within the city Obi-Wan could hear a ragged choir of hoarsely bellowing cries that had the resonance of large animals—they reminded him of something...
Suubatars, that was it—they sounded vaguely like the calls of the suubatars he and Anakin had ridden on one of their last missions before the war, back when biggest worry Obi-Wan had had was how to keep his promise to Qui-Gon...
But he had no time for nostalgia. He could practically hear Qui-Gon reminding him to focus on the now, and give himself over to the living Force.
So he did.
Onto the Unifying Force, this is simply the antithetical aspect contrary to the Living Force. Where the Living Force focuses on the present and close circumstances, the Unifying Force looks to the future and determines events on a universal scale. Once again, none of this has anything to do with the light or dark sides. This is simply an outlook relative to time and space, as both are encompassed by the Force. Adherents to the Unifying Force reflect the Force's unified nature, considering possibilities as they permeate vast distance and transcend time.
--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the ForceThe Force is bigger than all of us, but expresses itself in two aspects. The Living Force is raw and close at hand. It is the life energy tingling around you when you pass among plants and animals in a walk through the jungle. When beings die, you sense it through the Living Force. When many die at once, the loss of their energy may shock you, even knock you out. All of your tangible Force Force abilities—such as running, jumping, heightened senses, moving objects, or soothing the emotions of others—are techniques by which we become agents of the Living Force.
The Unifying Force is a vast cosmic power. You may not sense it yet, but with patience and insight you will. The Unifying Force is the stars and galaxies, the rippling surface of space and time. It is this voice that whispers of your destiny, and make no mistake—the Force does have a will. To commune with the Unifying Force is to temporarily leave your body, allowing you to walk in the past or see the future. Some of the ancients believe it is even possible to transcend death.
--Taken from Darth Plagueis“Qui-Gon is rash,” Dooku was saying. “Despite his fixation with the living Force, he demonstrates his own contradictions by being a true believer in the prophecy—a foretelling more in line with the unifying Force.”
--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side"Seeing into the future is an aspect of the Unifying Force, but Yoda warned me that the future is always changing. We have the power to make our own destinies."
—Luke
Having established all of that, you said that Yoda does not believe in the Unifying Force. Yes, he does. In fact, Yoda comes into points of contention with Qui-Gon Jinn for the sole reason that Qui-Gon focuses on the Living Force while Yoda would rather he attend to the Unifying Force. So Yoda believes in the Unifying Force. Does he not believe in the existence of a light or dark side?
--Taken from Cloak of DeceptionYoda and Qui-Gon had a long-standing relationship, but Yoda was one of those who sometimes took issue with Qui-Gon's focus on the living Force over the unifying Force.
--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil"The larger prophecy: that unfold the dark times would. Born into their midst the Chosen One is, to return balance to the Force."
"Anakin," Obi-Wan said.
Yoda regarded him for a long moment. "Difficult to say," he said quickly. "Maybe, yes; maybe, no. More important the shroud of the dark side is. Many, many discussions Dooku had. With me, with other members of the Council. Most of all, with Master Sifo-Dyas."
Obi-Wan waited. "Close friends they were. Bound together by the unifying Force. But worried about Master Dooku, Sifo-Dyas was. Worried about his disenchantment with the Republic; about self-absorption among the Jedi. Saw in Dooku the effect of Qui-Gon's death, Sifo-Dyas did. The effect that resurfaced the Sith had." Yoda shook his head mournfully. "Knew of Dooku's imminent departure, Master Sifo-Dyas did. Sensed, he may have, the birth of the Separatist movement."
Yaddle also encourages the Unifying Force. Does she not believe in the existence of a light or dark side?
--Taken from Cloak of DeceptionYaddle turned to face Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, who were standing outside the Masters' circle. "You two: flying here, flying there, chasing clues... If stopped for a moment to listen to the unifying Force, see what was coming you might have."
Even Obi-Wan is more inclined toward the Unifying Force. Does he not believe in the existence of a light or dark side?
--Taken from Labyrinth of EvilWhether foresight was something innate in Obi-Wan or the result of his continuing fascination with the unifying Force—the long view—Obi-Wan couldn't say.
Sabla-Mandibu wrote the section in The Jedi Path on the Unifying and Living Force. Does she not believe in the existence of a light or dark side?
--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the ForceYou already know of the Force as omnipresent, simultaneously existing as both a personal energy and as an imposing power through its Living and Unifying aspects. The dark side is not some "missing piece." Don't be tricked into seeking it. The Force is a mountain rising from water—the dark side is merely the submerged, scum-covered underside. If you choose to dive, the slime will trap and drown you.
To top this off, let's address the definitive, primary source on the Unifying Force: The Unifying Force by James Luceno. In this novel, Luke initially defines the Unifying Force in a tantamount sense to what later sources reiterated:
--Taken from The Unifying Force"Then, from where was Vergere speaking?"
"Maybe she learned to tap into a power that was more all-embracing than the Living Force."
"The Unifying Force," Luke said. "That might explain it. In fact, all the years since the deaths of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and my father, I've felt as if the Jedi have been on a quest to recover the Force's power to glimpse the future, which is perhaps the nature of the Unifying Force. The search has not been unlike our search for Zonama Sekot. And there's a power here, in the air and the trees and everything else, that convinces me we've found our way to something even greater than what we were seeking."
So Luke states the foremost definition there. He then elaborates later on:
"She can't be blamed. Each of us stands at a kind of midpoint, from which we're capable of seeing only so far in either direction. Our senses have been honed over countless millennia to allow us to navigate the intricacies of the physical world. But because of that, our senses blind us to the fact that we are much more than our bodies. We truly are beings of light, Jacen."The emphasis the Jedi have always placed on control operates the same way. Control blinds us to the more expansive nature of the Force. The Jedi of the Old Republic wanted only youngsters for this reason. Jedi needed to be raised in the light, and to come to see that light as unblemished, undivided. But you and I haven't had the luxury of that indoctrination. Our lives are a constant test of our will to exorcise any darkness that creeps in."In that sense, your instincts about me are correct, and so were Vergere's. The dark side has, in a sense, dominated my life. I've suspected for a long time that the fatigue I've sometimes experienced when drawing on the Force during combat owes to my fear of abusing the raw power you describe."It's true that the Force is unified; it is one energy, one power. But here's where I think you and Vergere are incorrect: the dark side is real, because evil actions are real. Sentience gave rise to the dark side. Does it exist in nature? No. Left to itself, nature maintains the balance. But we've changed that. We are a new order of consciousness that has an impact on all life. The Force now contains light and dark because of what thinking beings have brought to it. That's why balance has become something that must be maintained—because our actions have the power to tip the scales.""As the Sith did," Jacen said."As the Sith did. The Emperor was perhaps the most self-assured person I have ever encountered, but he deliberately chose evil over good. And in the right climate, one individual, suitably driven and skilled, can tip the universe into darkness. For darkness has followers, especially where discontent, isolation, or fear hold sway. In such a climate enemies can be fashioned, imagined out of thin air, and suddenly all good is lost, all perspective vanishes, and illness takes hold."
--Taken from The Unifying Force"I suppose we could consider initiating our own reconstruction efforts at Yavin Four, but I don't see much purpose in that task, either, since the days of the Jedi praxeum are behind us. Yavin Four had its place, but there are countless worlds where the Force is strong, and any one of them can serve as a kind of academy." Luke gestured to Kam Solusar. "Kam has suggested that we give thought to relocating to Ossus, and I'm inclined to agree with him. But the real territory we're compelled to explore is the Unifying Force—as a step toward implementing a 'new' Jedi order."
Luke fell silent for a long moment, as he paced across the circle and back again.
"On Ithor I surrendered guardianship of the Jedi. That doesn't mean that I can't still serve as a mentor and guide to some of you. Yoda instructed me to pass on what I have learned, and I mean to do just that. But others here are as equipped as I am to teach, and I encourage them to do so, should they choose to pursue that path.
"But here's what I wish to say to all of you: if I have learned anything from the events of the past five years, it is that the Force is more all-embracing than I ever realized. Light and dark do not always stand opposed, but mingle with each other in curious ways. More important, the Force seems to have a will, and it's when we're acting against the will of the Force that we can get into trouble. Anger by itself is not of the dark side unless it is accompanied by a desire to dominate. When we act in harmony with the will of the Force, we disappear into it. When we struggle against it, we not only sever our ties with the Force, but also feed the needs of chaos.
"The evolution of sentience reflects the constant movement between those two poles. Evil—the dark side—won't be eradicated until it has been discarded as an option for acquiring power, subjugating would-be opponents, or offsetting feelings of anger, envy, or exclusion. Where victims of injustice exist, the dark side finds initiates. That is the cycle our actions are meant to forestall, and in this battle the Force is both our ally and our guardian. We serve it best by listening to its will, and serving the good with our every action—by personifying the Force.
"But I'm no longer convinced that we're meant to police the galaxy. For one thing, we're too few in number. That was made evident early in the war, and it's likely to hold true for whatever conflicts erupt in the coming years. The Jedi began as a meditative order. Our forebears believed that they could balance light and dark by remaining always in the Force, and thereby perfecting themselves. Gradually, however, as the Supreme Chancellors appealed to the order time and again for advice in resolving disputes, the Jedi became adjuncts of the Old Republic, then marshals and warriors, taking it upon themselves to uphold the peace, and little by little being drawn away from the Force and into the mundane.
"I don't propose that we place ourselves in seclusion and pass our days meditating on the Force—though that might be the path for some of us. But I do advocate attuning ourselves to the longer view, and reaching out to others who seek to serve the Force. The genetic makeup of each and every one of us augments our ability to tap the Force, but everyone, regardless of his or her genetics, has the potential to use the Force to one degree or another. Perhaps not to move rocks and take giant strides; but in some sense those physical powers are little more than surface effects. The real powers are more subtle, for they involve adhering to the true path, avoiding the temptation to dominate, sacrificing oneself for those who have less, and living impeccably, by recognizing that the Force doesn't flow from us but through us, ever on the move."
As can be seen, Luke accepts the nature of the Unifying Force, yet in doing so, he repeatedly acknowledges, analyzes, and argues for the existence of the dark side. He even offers a solution to it on a more titanic level, by addressing the fact that the Force's light and dark sides were conceived by the inception of the light and dark sides in individuals first, saying that the dark side in individuals is evil and must no longer be considered an option for the Force's dark side to disappear. All the while, he recognizes the importance of the Unifying Force, just as Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Yaddle did.
So as I said: The Unifying Force has absolutely nothing to do with the existence, or lack thereof, of a light or dark side. Numerous characters who adhere to it still believe, correctly, that the light and dark sides exist.
@FinnVarra said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposedly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....After all was said and done the Sith had 2 and the Jedi had 2. It seemed pretty balanced to me.
I'm with ya there.
@FinnVarra said:
@ShootingNova: Yeah I don't really care dude. If you were paying attention I was already debunked earlier in the thread, making your whole exposition here irrelevant. I have neither the time or interest in any of the expanded universe stuff, so :-P
I know. The person who "debunked" you was incorrect also.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@ShootingNova: We're talking trilogy wise, Not EU.@ShootingNova said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....The Potentium believed the Force was only light.
And it was not correct. The Unifying and Living Force are the only true concepts.
There is no true concepts, You contradict yourself, because the Unifying Force says there is no light and dark only the Force, while the Living says there are 2 sides.
What? LOL, yes, the Unifying and Living are true.
It's not contradictory.
The Living Force doesn't say that. You getting this from Wookieepedia?
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Silver2467 said:
For the last time: The Unifying Force does not contend that there is no light or dark side. Yoda, Luke, and Sabla-Mandibu were adherents of the Unifying Force, and yet all of them believed in the existence of a light and dark side.
The idea that the Unifying Force has anything to do with a lack of a light and dark side is a wiki-perpetuated myth. Numerous sources state otherwise, the most important one being The Unifying Force which stated in no uncertain terms that the Unifying Force was the aspect of the Force that operated on a cosmic and future scale yet also stated that the Force does in fact have light and dark sides.
Furthermore, the Living and Unifying Force are not concepts. They are simply dual aspects of the Force, and yes, they do exist.No, Yoda was an adherent of the Living Force
And yes the Unifying Force has to do with lack of a dark and light as in the books.
No, it doesn't. The Potentium theory is the belief of the Force being inherently light-sided, but still can be corrupted by the intentions of someone who wills such.
What @Silver2467 said is true. I don't know what your source of information is, but it's not a canonical one.
@Jnr6Lil said:
@ShootingNova: We're talking trilogy wise, Not EU.@ShootingNova said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Maxie said:
This is a very perplexing question, and not so much as the balance that Anakin supposadly restored, but the notion of both using the dark and light side of the Force in sync with each other. The Potentium is no good, because they view the Force as neither light nor dark but gray. A dumb, drab gray. However, the Jed'daii of old believed in a balnce and even had penalties if one strayed to one side of the spectrum too much. That's right. You could be penialized for being too light. Not in terms of morality, mind you, but perhaps not being offensive or agressive enough. While obviously the Jedi realised that this idea was bunk after the Force Wars, Revan, millenia later was able to channel both sides of the Force offensively during his fateful duel with the Sith Emperor. Twin rivers of energy that manifested itself as a flash of light, the Force released in it's purest form. Perhaps Revan had the right idea as well as the Jed'daii. The only real test, would be using the Balance correctly....The Potentium believed the Force was only light.
And it was not correct. The Unifying and Living Force are the only true concepts.
There is no true concepts, You contradict yourself, because the Unifying Force says there is no light and dark only the Force, while the Living says there are 2 sides.
Yeah, and without background knowledge you wouldn't even know what the Balance is. There has never been an film-quote that speaks of Balance referring to numbers.
@Silver2467 said:
For the last time: The Unifying Force does not contend that there is no light or dark side. Yoda, Luke, and Sabla-Mandibu were adherents of the Unifying Force, and yet all of them believed in the existence of a light and dark side.
The idea that the Unifying Force has anything to do with a lack of a light and dark side is a wiki-perpetuated myth. Numerous sources state otherwise, the most important one being The Unifying Force which stated in no uncertain terms that the Unifying Force was the aspect of the Force that operated on a cosmic and future scale yet also stated that the Force does in fact have light and dark sides.
Furthermore, the Living and Unifying Force are not concepts. They are simply dual aspects of the Force, and yes, they do exist.
Conceptual aspects. Otherwise, I agree completely.
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