@outside_85:
"The tyrannical government the writers of the 2nd Amendment had in mind was the one in London, Paris and the other colonial powers that wanted a piece of the US, not their own. Otherwise your Founding Fathers wrote into your constitution the option for a legal civil war."
The Founding Fathers had just fought a successful Civil War against their own government (England) to gain independence. Of course they wanted to preserve the ability for the citizenry to wage Civil War.
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."" - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"And why would a strong military necessitate more civilians carrying arms? The army is there to protect and fight for them..."
Strong militaries have often seized power on their own or a dictator's initiative. The FF hated the idea of a standing army.
"since the US is not a dictatorship or is even close to being one..."
The federal government broadens the scope of it's powers every day. We are not a dictatorship, but that does not mean we have freedom nor that we could not quickly become a dictatorship. Dictators rarely voice their intentions beforehand.
"unless you are one of those morons that wants a Putin-like guy in the White House"
I want the government to have less control of individuals life. Putin is a quasi-dictator. Why would I support him?
"or think the recently concluded Operation Jade Helmet training excersize was really a prelude to the army invading Texas."
I do not put stock in the Jade Helm (not Helmet) conspiracy theory, but I do believe that good governments can turn corrupt and oppressive, a belief backed up by countless examples throughout history.
"True, it was a Spanish colony... and you'd have a war with them about 50 years later. Also Washington was set on fire by the British about 25 years after the BoR."
All irrelevant.
"The point was that back then the US was far more vulnerable than it is now."
The point is that the 2nd Amendment was largely, though not solely, about protection against domestic tyranny. There are many points in the gun liberty debate worth discussion, but the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not debatable if you know American history.
I never put much stock in people's analysis of how parents confronting tragedy should act. Who are you to judge someone who is experiencing a trauma? If you have other evidence I'd love to see it, but human beings are notoriously unpredictable in behavior.
Agreed.
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