Aiming to rank Mortal Kombat characters in fighting skill---help!

Over on the Ledger we're assigning ranks in fighting skill (1-7).  7 being the highest (the likes of Mr.X, Wayne, etc) and 1 being the lowest.  We then have each tier broken into low, medium, and high. (Gambit being a low 5, where-as Kraven is a high 5)  I introduced the idea that we should rank Mortal Kombat fighters too, but I'm having trouble justifying WHY they rank in certain places, since their feats are essentially restricted to their own world...and therefore, difficult to compare with Marvel/DC/Top Cow/etc characters.

So, how would you guys rank the Mortal Kombat characters in this rating system and why?  Also, has anyone played MK VS DC or read the comic?  I need ANY feats you can find to help determine the ranks!  Thanks.

arent each company restricted by their own world MA feats?  O_o

aside from that  they move slow and clunky almost as if someone else was controlling them, reaction wise i wouldnt even say they were olympic but average human speed.

  

The point is to set each level at a certain degree of skill/display, then place each accordingly.  I'm a fan of the games so I know how they are in game, but there's still plenty of CANON material including them (comics, who beats who via plot, etc).  And that's what I'm looking to get more opinions on.

For example, I want to know how the plot of MK VS DC goes (who beats who from the DC Univ in the canon material), and how things play out in the few canon comics.  I've read a good amount, but there's still a lot I haven't.

gauge by how fast they react to bullets, knives and by what bio's state their knowledge of MA being..
a fighter can know only one skillset of MA like TKD and beat a guy who knows lvl 7 and majority of the world MA.

so the guy can be lvl 3 fighter 4 or whatever the bio stated one has to be to master one art form..  

gauge by how fast they react to bullets, knives and by what bio's state their knowledge of MA being.. a fighter can know only one skillset of MA like TKD and beat a guy who knows lvl 7 and majority of the world MA.so the guy can be lvl 3 fighter 4 or whatever the bio stated one has to be to master one art form..  

A big issue is the comics don't even have displays like that.  At the most,  I've seen people dodge/block projectile attacks (freeze/water blasts, Scorpion's spear), but there's no way to determine truly how fast those are.

@Andy Steven Summers: 
Non-canon as in not technically part of the Mortal Kombat Universe.  But still, it took the character's same skill levels and had them throwing down with some DC characters.  As of right now that's the best and only way to compare how MK fighters stack up in terms of skill alone.

@Matezoide: 
Thanks. Obviously stuff like vs Superman/Flash and whatever isn't a valid example, but I was hoping there were some good street level fights, like w/ Wayne, Catwoman, Slade, etc.

Did you also read the comic?

"I don't think that even the story aspect of that game should be used to judge/compare them to the DC universe characters.
Personally none of them should be anywhere near Batman's level. At least if you go by what we have seen him do throughout the years, on panel.
Their 'top' fighters I would rank at maybe a 6, if that."

I don't expect any earthrealm combatants to be a 7.  But when it comes to characters who have existed for far longer and do nothing but train, I would be surprised it one could earn a high 6 or maybe even low 7.

"I was thinking of something similar to this. But instead of a scale of 1-7 it be 1-10 to give a little more diversity between the numbers. The low end and high end set up pretty much does the same though."

Well, go ahead and make it. ;)

"The quality of things are already put in jeopardy when you have anyone from MK going against people like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman. If your not going to take those into account"

Because examples against them are just downright stupid.  Jax should no means be able to hurt  Wonder Woman, or Sub Zero be able to freeze Superman in combat.  I'm going by skill showings against skilled combatants, not blatant downplaying against powerhouses.

I'm not going by gameplay where anyone can hurt anyone, only comparable feats of skill that the game (hopefully) displays through cut scenes and more.

"I'm not saying go off of game-play. That would be the worst way to go about it."
Good, because that would be ridiculous.  LOL

"But even using the cut-scenes from this game (DC vs MK) are tampered."

I figured, but I'd like to view them and judge for myself before makin that decision.  As of right now, it's the only comparison available when it comes to Mortal Kombat.

"You're better off just using the normal MK games and ranking them accordingly"

I have attempted to, but that isn't enough for many others.  For example, I think Stryker is deserving of a high 4, where-as Goro is a high 6/low 7 at best.  Going undefeated for 500 years has to count for something, haha.

I think the best way is to set the high bar with Onaga or Blaze at high 7. and work down in characters relative to their abilities against these two.

Take this Goro :P

Interesting.  Why would you place Cage so low and Stryker so high?  If I were to ask for reasons for these, would you be cool with elaborating?

this is why i dont believe in cross genre aside from that if they dont have the feats to compete with other comic universes as much as it hurts fans you need to accept that they are not on their level on average even if that means someone like DD can pound on the toughest Mofo of your game  >_>

MKDC wasn't canon but if you want to use that for fun for this, that's fine I guess...

@Caligula said:

While the others are debatable, just want to say the Elder Gods are above Onaga and Blaze, they assigned Delia and Argus to create Blaze to keep things in check and as for Onaga, they had defeated the One Being(far more powerful then Onaga) years ago then made the realms from it's consciousness and body.

Cage while an actor CAN really fight, that's why he's in the MK tournament to convince people he's not a fake...

Stryker isn't that high IMO, he's a cop that can fight but let's face it, most MK characters would kill him with ease. You saw what Ermac did to him(yet could have easily killed him if he wanted but didn't) Just look at what he did to Jax when he got pissed lol...

I think this is really hard to break down because there's two categories here, there's power wise tiers and fighting skills wise.

Yea Cage should definitely be higher on that list

Caligula, No, it wasn't dude...Ed boon and John Vogel(writer of MK) said MKDC wasn't canon....and DC also confirmed this it was a "what if scenario" not canon to DC or MK canon

Reiko should be higher. Quan Chi should be above Tsung. Cage should definitely be higher on the list, he is a descendant of some warrior cult and beat baraka and reptile.

This is going to be near impossible to do because only the current MK game is canon and their is alot of PIS and inconsistences in the storyline.

@Prince CortSether: Stronger and more agile does not equal more skilled.

Pretty sure Johnny Cage is on top here.

Stryker isn't that high IMO, he's a cop that can fight but let's face it, most MK characters would kill him with ease. You saw what Ermac did to him(yet could have easily killed him if he wanted but didn't) Just look at what he did to Jax when he got pissed lol...

Cage while an actor CAN really fight, that's why he's in the MK tournament to convince people he's not a fake...

Stryker isn't that high IMO, he's a cop that can fight but let's face it, most MK characters would kill him with ease. You saw what Ermac did to him(yet could have easily killed him if he wanted but didn't) Just look at what he did to Jax when he got pissed lol...

MKDC wasn't canon but if you want to use that for fun for this, that's fine I guess...

@Caligula said:

While the others are debatable, just want to say the Elder Gods are above Onaga and Blaze, they assigned Delia and Argus to create Blaze to keep things in check and as for Onaga, they had defeated the One Being(far more powerful then Onaga) years ago then made the realms from it's consciousness and body.

Cage while an actor CAN really fight, that's why he's in the MK tournament to convince people he's not a fake...

Stryker isn't that high IMO, he's a cop that can fight but let's face it, most MK characters would kill him with ease. You saw what Ermac did to him(yet could have easily killed him if he wanted but didn't) Just look at what he did to Jax when he got pissed lol...

I think this is really hard to break down because there's two categories here, there's power wise tiers and fighting skills wise.

@MKF30 said:

MKDC wasn't canon but if you want to use that for fun for this, that's fine I guess...

@Caligula said:

While the others are debatable, just want to say the Elder Gods are above Onaga and Blaze, they assigned Delia and Argus to create Blaze to keep things in check and as for Onaga, they had defeated the One Being(far more powerful then Onaga) years ago then made the realms from it's consciousness and body.

Cage while an actor CAN really fight, that's why he's in the MK tournament to convince people he's not a fake...

Stryker isn't that high IMO, he's a cop that can fight but let's face it, most MK characters would kill him with ease. You saw what Ermac did to him(yet could have easily killed him if he wanted but didn't) Just look at what he did to Jax when he got pissed lol...

I think this is really hard to break down because there's two categories here, there's power wise tiers and fighting skills wise.

You are absolutely right! Ermac should be able to take out majority of the MK roster with his powers and skills, him losing to Stryker was PIS. Ermac is a top tier in the MK Universe. Alot things that happen in the current storyline were PIS and plain stupid.

@Caligula: Ermac has telekinesis their is no logical way for a character like Stryker a guy with no powers to beat him.

Goro > Kintaro

Goro > Kintaro

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

Goro > Kintaro

No.

@Prince CortSether said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

Goro > Kintaro

No.

Great Kung Lao defeated Shang Tsung. Holds title for 50 years, Goro defeats him. Kintaro couldn't do this.

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

Goro > Kintaro

No.

Great Kung Lao defeated Shang Tsung. Holds title for 50 years, Goro defeats him. Kintaro couldn't do this.

Uh, says who? Kintaro wasn't fighting in the tournaments. He was bodyguard to the royalty of Outworld. As far as storyline goes (and what Ed Boon has personally said) Kintaro is the bigger, badder version of Goro.

@Prince CortSether said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

Goro > Kintaro

No.

Great Kung Lao defeated Shang Tsung. Holds title for 50 years, Goro defeats him. Kintaro couldn't do this.

Uh, says who? Kintaro wasn't fighting in the tournaments. He was bodyguard to the royalty of Outworld. As far as storyline goes (and what Ed Boon has personally said) Kintaro is the bigger, badder version of Goro.

Didn't Goro defeat Kintaro in the MK comics?

@Prince CortSether:Man. Kintaros original look was alot cooler than how he looks now. He looks ridiculous.

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@Prince CortSether:Man. Kintaros original look was alot cooler than how he looks now. He looks ridiculous.

Yea, I think his new look is abysmal. Kintaro is by far the worst redesign in Mortal Kombat 9, I mean his Babality is practically the developers making fun of what they did to Kintaro and admitting that they turned him into a gigantic tabby cat on purpose. He was so much more badass in MK:2 and MK Shaolin Monks.

0:45 in. BAMF!!
  

@Caligula: Because the game says otherwise doesn't make it right or logical. Do you care to explain how Stryker is capable of defeating higher tier characters like Ermac

I still don't understand why everyone translates being "stronger and more agile" instantly into being more skilled.  I recall an interview where they joked that they like Goro more and Kintaro was basically just a knock-off/modifcation of him.