#1 Edited by Bezza (3869 posts) - - Show Bio

Me again, I'm quite new here so have a lot of things to get off my chest. This topic is partly inspired by my blog, where I've argued not very successfully that I honestly think Superman would have a hard time putting Hulk down for good. Anyway, it seems a lot of people, particularly fans of the high powered DC characters are quite "sniffy" about Hulk and automatically assume he gets "stomped" during any encounter with , superman/wonder-woman/Doomsday/GL,etc..... Just wondered why this is, because if you read the comics, particularly WWH, he is shown to be quite a monster with no particularly weaknesses (such as Kryptonite or yellow magic), who will give anyone short of Zeus a really hard time.

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (45714 posts) - - Show Bio

You kind of have a point, but calling DC characters high powered, and calling out DC fanboys ain't gonna get you a good reception.

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#3 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1405 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Agreed

But I mean your point is valid but this thread just speaks to me as... Well I like to call them b**** threads. But hey valid points

#4 Edited by Dernman (15813 posts) - - Show Bio

Speaking as a fan of both Marve and DC. Thinking a character cannot beat another isn't looking down on a character at all. Anyway Hulk by no means slow still doesn't have the speed to back his power up. Writers would have to ignore DC's powerhouses speed to give him a shot.

Honestly though the biggest problem isn't about whether or not he can beat them. It's the whole infinite rage/strength thing. Which some of his fans keep spouting off about. It's dumb and reeks of silver age DC. Silver Age DC feats is something most modern DC fans look down on and try to forget.

Me personally I read it as hyperbole and it makes me enjoy the character more.

#5 Edited by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

#6 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry to anyone who argues this point but... Hulk SMASH!

that's it- end of story

#7 Posted by nickthedevil (13972 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he is vastly overrated.

He might be big and powerful in the marvel universe, but one complaint I always read on these boards about DC is that their characters are "overpowered".

Also in part of the fanboys he seems to create.

Myself? I dislike Hulk for various reasons.

Mostly the PIS that can come from his character.

#8 Edited by Wolverine08 (45714 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not insulting DC at all, but it true their powerhouses are overpowered compared to Marvel powerhouses. Not that powerful characters are bad, but I have always preferred streetlevel/midlevel characters.

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#9 Posted by Dernman (15813 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

Pretty much what I was saying but done better.

#10 Posted by Wolverine08 (45714 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogues:

All characters have PIS moments. Hulk is no different when to PIS than any other top tier character.

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#11 Posted by Wolverine08 (45714 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

This really.

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#12 Posted by joshmightbe (24767 posts) - - Show Bio

Because blah, blah, blah grumble grumble my character rocks your character sucks bitch some more. And there you have it

#13 Posted by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

very nice, man. I agree

#14 Posted by deaditegonzo (3690 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

Agreed.

Id even add that Hulk is so devoid of versatility, that he has a ton of exploitable weaknesses. He is not only slow, but he cannot fly.

And im someone who really likes Hulk.

#15 Posted by fiodestromus (1209 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh its not that he's downplayed but it's the argument of him getting stronger and more durable that can get a little tiring and nerve racking. Also alot of people use that as there only argument making Hulks rep look bad.I get what you mean he is a little stronger than people make him out to be.But due to his lack of versatility he could be BFR'd in most battles or speedblitzed. Although in my opinion he could whoop any body in a slug fest there's alot of components about him that makes him not be able to stomp rivaling powerhouses,although he should in a slug fest in all others he could have a hard time or get beat(plus in my opinion Hulk is one if those super heroes who's power set succumb's to a CRAP load of PIS or CIS for story purposes)

#16 Posted by Bezza (3869 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

I think these are good points, although I think Zeus is probably a little more powerful than the likes of Superman, being a Skyfather. Am I right in thinking that Hercules fought Superman in a story once and gave him a hard time? Hulk has beaten the Marvel Hercules who is a step down from Zeus. Anyway, I accept the DC characters are more powerful than Hulk overall, but a lot of people do seem to underestimate the green monster's ability to slug it out with extremely powerful opponents before succumbing. Hulk has taken down Thor before and I would have said Thor is a good match for many of the DC characters. PS, I'm a huge fan of Superman and other DC characters as well as Marvel ones, so don't think i'm some sort of biased Marvel person! I also agree with you about some Hulk fans who seem to think he is unbeatable, which doesn't help his cause on here!

#17 Posted by LeeSensei (396 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza said:

@jonsmith said:

That 'short of Zeus' line is the catch. Zeus is effectively a VERY high grade superhuman in Marvel. In DC, he might be about on par with Captain Marvel (aka Shazam). They're on two completely different power scales: Hulk taking a step and about to trash the East Coast is one of his greatest feats, but in DC it'd be middling. Not to mention that the whole 'angrier = stronger' philosophy of Hulk would be a weakness against DC characters: Hulk gets angrier, and that builds his strength, but it also takes time, and there's only so much strength he can gain from the anger caused by you hitting him repeatedly.

At a certain point, it'll take true emotional anguish to push him further: Loss of his loved ones, for example. And he has already lost so much, what's left to take? What could possibly be done to him to push him further than he has already gone?

Regardless, DC characters, at least the ones like Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, etc, they don't take time to build their strength: They use as much strength is necessary, holding back and pulling their punches, and then gradually let go more and more until they're hitting you full force if you prove you can take it. So while there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength (be it made of glass or otherwise), DC characters are already on the roof, and just go higher from there.

Not to mention that while the Hulk is VERY fast, especially for his size, and equally resilient, against the Flying Bricks of DC, his speed doesn't stack up. The Hulk's been beaten by foes of equal or lesser strength who decided to slug it out. Now imagine someone with equal and greater strength hitting the Hulk in the time it takes him to register a punch has been launched. And continuing to do so.

They have a superior powerset in addition to the greater scale. Against the characters of DC, you'd be hard pressed to find Marvel characters who can go head to head against them. And sadly, that difficulty even applies to the Hulk.

As for why DC fans might look down on Hulk? Might have something to do with some of the Hulk's fans: There are people who refuse to believe there's a ceiling on Hulk's strength, so no matter who he's fighting, they'll just say something along the lines of, "Hulk gets stronger. Win." Up to a point, that's a valid argument, but some of them don't know where that point IS, especially against a guy like Superman. So they draw some ire for that behavior, and tend to taint the Hulk's reputation by association.

I think these are good points, although I think Zeus is probably a little more powerful than the likes of Superman, being a Skyfather. Am I right in thinking that Hercules fought Superman in a story once and gave him a hard time? Hulk has beaten the Marvel Hercules who is a step down from Zeus. Anyway, I accept the DC characters are more powerful than Hulk overall, but a lot of people do seem to underestimate the green monster's ability to slug it out with extremely powerful opponents before succumbing. Hulk has taken down Thor before and I would have said Thor is a good match for many of the DC characters. PS, I'm a huge fan of Superman and other DC characters as well as Marvel ones, so don't think i'm some sort of biased Marvel person! I also agree with you about some Hulk fans who seem to think he is unbeatable, which doesn't help his cause on here!

Hulk defeated a depowered Hercules and DC Hercules doesn't = Marvel Hercules.

#18 Edited by CrouchingTiger (148 posts) - - Show Bio

I usually see it in hulk v supes threads. I think there is no clear winner, because the hulks strength is limitless, and we don't actually know the limits of Superman's strength. I don't want to turn this into a hulk v supes debate though so I'm done lol

#19 Posted by frogdog (3571 posts) - - Show Bio

Cause they hatin on green people.

Trufacts#

#20 Posted by harff4 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith: It dosnt take that long for his strength to build up. now he can go worldbreaker state almost instantly.

#21 Posted by lilben42 (2609 posts) - - Show Bio

Because DC fans think speed is a gods power.

#22 Posted by JulieDC (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess the reason I dislike Hulk is there isn't really anything about him that stands out to me. He reminds me too much of Frankenstein, and when I was watching the Avengers movie and Iron Man states "we have a Hulk"...all I could think was "so what?". If he can do more than smash things, it would be nice to see that reflected in the films.

#23 Posted by Wolverine08 (45714 posts) - - Show Bio

@juliedc:

You should try read some Hulk comics. There is much more to him than you think.

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