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#1 Edited by RogueShadow (10670 posts) - - Show Bio

Who do you think the greatest strategist in the 616 Marvel universe is?

#2 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1821 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman

#3 Posted by Squares (6507 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops, Nick Fury, and Black Panther are all said to be very skilled strategists, not sure who's the best...

#4 Edited by Lady_Liberty (8279 posts) - - Show Bio

Although Marvel has plenty of tacticians I don't recall a single strategic feat. Even then its likely to be an example of a stratagem in action and not indicative of even the possession of strategic thought, much less skillful strategy.

#5 Posted by Xwraith (18092 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Doom?

#6 Edited by Wolverine08 (42174 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther.

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#7 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5581 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher. The dude with no team who regularly beats Cartels and teams of Avengers.

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#8 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos

#9 Posted by Manchine (4169 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America easily.

#10 Posted by SupremeHyperion (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

Karnak, he can see the flaw in anything.

#11 Posted by Squares (6507 posts) - - Show Bio

Karnak, he can see the flaw in anything.

That makes him a good adviser or editor, not a good strategist.

#12 Edited by Wolfrazer (6687 posts) - - Show Bio

Rocket Raccoon! :P Ok perhaps not the best, but one of.

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#13 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther

#14 Posted by SupremeHyperion (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: what? he is the stragegist for the Inhumans i'm pretty sure he is one of the greatest strategist in comics, he can see the flaw in anything then he finds how to exploit it. that's sort of what a strategist does..

except unlike your list of panther, cap and cyclops, he doesn't have to spend time strategizing to find a weakness he sees it.

#15 Posted by Squares (6507 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: what? he is the stragegist for the Inhumans i'm pretty sure he is one of the greatest strategist in comics, he can see the flaw in anything then he finds how to exploit it. that's sort of what a strategist does..

except unlike your list of panther, cap and cyclops, he doesn't have to spend time strategizing to find a weakness he sees it.

Being able to identify a weak point in an opponent doesn't automatically give you the plan you need to defeat them. That's what strategy is- making plans using the information at hand, no matter how much or how little you have.

It's like saying a good editor is automatically a good writer.

#16 Posted by Omnicrono (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyke?

#17 Posted by WarBlade539 (4577 posts) - - Show Bio

There is only one right answer...

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#18 Edited by sasquatch888 (341 posts) - - Show Bio

black panther, cap, doc doom

#19 Edited by zac0987 (33 posts) - - Show Bio

cap all the wayy!!!

#20 Edited by ShadowSwordmaster (14388 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick Fury,Dr.Doom,Captain America,Cyclops and Black Panther.

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#21 Posted by THORSON (2389 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by THORSON (2389 posts) - - Show Bio

ODIN

he's been around for years,

#23 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1821 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by Fallschirmjager (17422 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther, Doom, Thanos.

I think a lot of people are confusing strategy with tactics in this thread.

#25 Posted by doctor_bong_crosby (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam Warlock.

#26 Posted by MaccyD (4053 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom-he's often portrayed as the leader of Marvel villains.

#27 Posted by Squares (6507 posts) - - Show Bio

Forgot to mention The Punisher. When it comes to planning, he's quite talented.

#28 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Cyclops over the over the last six years. Cyke has outsmarted Doom, Norman Osborne, A evil version of the Illuminati, The Avengers, his fellow Xmen, and then so me. Captain America has earned props over the decades and is an inspiration to heroes in the MU. Cap however, has shown weakness and doubt in his leadership skills over the years. He was even cast out of the Illuminati, I think . Cap inspite of being in WWII lacks killer instinct at times. That's the difference between him and Cyke even though Cap has more experience. Cyke has been trained since he was a teen to lead and will take that kill shot to end the situation as fast as possible.

#29 Edited by HumanRocket (8102 posts) - - Show Bio

The three that came to mind are doom captain america and black panther

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#30 Posted by THORSON (2389 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackdog2009:

I could troll you for weeks if i wanted to. But i don't argue over fictional characters... unless its about jesus.

#31 Posted by blkson (785 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom and Black Panther.

More notably Doom.

#32 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1821 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorson:

go for it,i'm not paying for your internet. getting 'trolled' isn't a big deal dude. you should get out more.

#33 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5893 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: what? he is the stragegist for the Inhumans i'm pretty sure he is one of the greatest strategist in comics, he can see the flaw in anything then he finds how to exploit it. that's sort of what a strategist does..

except unlike your list of panther, cap and cyclops, he doesn't have to spend time strategizing to find a weakness he sees it.

He's more of an advisor than a strategist. He does help come up with plans along with the rest of the royal family but hes not a top strategist himself. He also detects weaknesses but hes doesnt know everything, plans have all sorts of unpredictability that even Karnak can't perceive sometimes. His weakness ability works better with structural weakness that theoretical weaknesses.

#34 Posted by Spideysense44 (3456 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther and Doctor Doom

#35 Posted by jesse1018 (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't mean to sound like an echo, but the first two to come to mind (before clicking on the thread, btw) was Doom for #1, and Black Panther/Cyclops probably tied at #2.

#36 Edited by phisigmatau (515 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops. It's not close.

#37 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki is extremely underrated when it comes to strategy.

#38 Posted by G_Money_Christmas (883 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America

#39 Edited by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap, Cyke, Fury, or Panther

#40 Edited by Saren (25672 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorson: @blackdog2009: Stop bickering, please.

Edit: Just noticed that conversation took place days ago......someone only flagged it now. Nonetheless, don't bicker in the future.

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#41 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8850 posts) - - Show Bio

BP and Doc Doom

#42 Edited by Jake Fury (18616 posts) - - Show Bio

BP and Doc Doom

These guys.

Thanos, Star-Lord...lots of good ones.

#43 Edited by Black_Arrow (3133 posts) - - Show Bio

BP,CA,DD,T and NF

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#44 Posted by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom

#45 Edited by PowerHerc (83461 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America.

#46 Posted by bxhybrid89 (33 posts) - - Show Bio

caps

#47 Posted by THORSON (2389 posts) - - Show Bio

s.h.e.i.l.d

#48 Posted by baneofdemon22 (207 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74:

Can you recommend stories for me? I really want to read them. My favorite period of X-Men was the 70s and 80s and although I was a big Cyclops fan and the characters said how great of a leader he was, it never showed. Wolverine and Storm were better. I read Messiah Complex and Second Coming and he was my favorite X-Men reading them, and he rose to be in my top 5 Marvel. Now I've been reading the All New X-Men/ Uncanny X-Men and haven't been that impressed.

#49 Posted by Vance Astro (91224 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap>Black Panther.

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#50 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1083 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap>Black Panther.

Cap doesn't have contingency plans for Galactus. Panther does.

Black Panther.