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#1 Posted by The Finality (133 posts) - - Show Bio

What are your thoughts?

#2 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not saying they should, but if they did I might actually be able to bring myself to start reading Marvel... instead of trying to jump into the convoluted mess it is right now.

#3 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel needs a reboot ASAP

#4 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

Well with the history that Marvel has with stealing ideas from DC, they just my get there own relaunch.

#5 Edited by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Marvel needs one right at the moment since DC has already done a relaunch, but maybe a few years down the line, Marvel should get a New 52 type relaunch, especially since all of their stories are so mixed up right now. The titles that should get a relaunch are:
 
1) Blade - I want to see more of him in the comics
2) The Incredible Hulk
3) Spider Man
4) X-Men
5) Ghost Rider
6) Avengers
 
That's all I can think of so far.

#6 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

No, just no.

#7 Posted by Illuminatus (9491 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd be open to it.

#8 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

No, Marvel prides itself in its continuity. It can reboot without suddenly shifting everything or just throwing away years of history. A slow reboot is a yes, dropping everything I have ever read about a character for a new universe which will also be a complete mess is a terrible idea. Marvel needs new writers not a new universe.

#9 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12513 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know. A reboot is probably what the Marvel Staff wants.

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#10 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the people who are saying yes seem to be more DC fans. This isn't a shot at you or anything or meant to be disrespectful, but that's kind of a disservice to Marvel fans. You not liking it doesn't mean rebooting it will all of a sudden make it better to you.

If continuity is what's keeping you away, that isn't too big of a problem. I got into DC (pre-New 52) by doing the research on the characters and events I was interested in on the wiki.

If you just don't like Marvel period, well a reboot won't change that.

#11 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7543 posts) - - Show Bio

Hell no.

#12 Posted by SpitfireINK (242 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they are almost there ... maybe next year?

They certainly could use it - Spider-Man's backstory is a convoluted nightmare right now (started all the way back with the Clone stories -- uggh.)

There are certainly many others that are equally ground-up and uninteresting now - X-Men, many of the X-Men villains, actually all the X-titles (save one - Uncanny X-Force),

Wolverine (oy is his a mess now), Iron Man is really becoming stagnant - and so many others.

Sure there are a small handful of stand-out titles - Captain America (Brubaker really does him justice) - the New Venom (yes some may cringe but he's far more interesting than a whiny disgruntled employee) -

Deadpool (actually one character that I honestly did not care for until I started reading the current series) - Winter Soldier (yes another Brubaker book - but its what he does well - I recommend reading it).

Its really just time we demanded more than the mediocrity many of these books have become - at $3.99 a piece - almost the price of a full length paperback book - I mean lets really start scrutinizing them.

No such thing as a "Filler Issue" anymore!

#13 Edited by Twentyfive (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

They don't really need a relaunch. Such a thing will take a LONG time of hard research into your own continuity to see which characters to include, which to throw away, what aspect they should have, what event in their lives should stay canon, etc. Way too confusing, and you can see that DC hasn't though it over completely. What they need, however, is:

  1. Better editorial direction
  2. Stop milking the same two franchises
  3. Include more genres

The have one fantasy comic (to my knowledge), and probably NO horror comics. Comic storytelling goes beyond superheroes, and often times, superhero comics can transcend the usual mindless action stories. Marvel needs to learn these things.

Also, I think the main problem that relaunches have (as DC is will show us in due time) is that the comics will eventually revert to the same stories we have read before.

Gwen Stacy is going to die because that is what readers will expect. People will expect Jean to be consumed by the Phoenix Force at some point or another, and if these stories are altered even in the slightest, fans will bleat out their dissatisfaction like a huge pack angry dogs. I wouldn't want to read or hear that jargon. I'm good, lol. If they changed the founding members of the Avengers to include Hawkeye, Falcon, and Widow, people will wail about the exclusion of Hank and Jan, and so on.

#14 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know about full reboot but maybe a soft one to clean out some of the clutter. I think the will need to do it eventually though. When characters who were very young when they started out end up close to the same age as the ones who were adults at that time then you know you need to take some kind of relaunch.

#15 Posted by CODYSF (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

I got a feeling we are going to see a Marvel reboot sooner or later in the future.

#16 Posted by danhimself (22278 posts) - - Show Bio

no...the people who say that it's hard to get into comics because of continuity are just lazy and are ruining it for the rest of us....seriously...we have the internet and Comic Vine and tons of other wiki sites...it's super easy to get online and figure out what happened before you started reading....laziness has already ruined the DC Universe for a lot of people and before anyone brings up the jump in sales then you should know that sales numbers have already gone down to pretty much where they were before the reboot

#17 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

no...the people who say that it's hard to get into comics because of continuity are just lazy and are ruining it for the rest of us....seriously...we have the internet and Comic Vine and tons of other wiki sites...it's super easy to get online and figure out what happened before you started reading....laziness has already ruined the DC Universe for a lot of people and before anyone brings up the jump in sales then you should know that sales numbers have already gone down to pretty much where they were before the reboot

This!

#18 Posted by tim2081 (519 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive said:

  1. Better editorial direction
  2. Stop milking the same two franchises
  3. Include more genres

The have one fantasy comic (to my knowledge), and probably NO horror comics. Comic storytelling goes beyond superheroes, and often times, superhero comics can transcend the usual mindless action stories. Marvel needs to learn these things.

Blade and Ghost Rider can be considered horror, so can some of Dr. Strange's stories, and the Marvel Zombies series. Marvel also has more gray-area characters, and less stereotypical superheroes, like Hulk, Punisher, and Wolverine. Otherwise, I agree that they don't need a reboot, but more focused storytelling.

#19 Edited by The Stegman (23036 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought that was what Ultimate Marvel was..then it went and rebooted itself.

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#20 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. Marvel needs a relaunch more than DC ever did. And if they're anything like the Season One books, it'd be even better. Love those things.

...Actually, you know what? Marvel should just relaunch their writing staff. They have, like, 4 really good writers, and none of them are calling the shots.

#21 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Stegman said:
I thought that was what Ultimate Marvel was..then it went an rebooted itself.
Yep.
#22 Posted by Twentyfive (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@tim2081: I'm not even sure when the last time Blade was on the stand, never mind having his own series. Both Ghost Rider and Dr. Strange don't currently have their own ongoing comic (but defenders is cool), and I'm not sure if Marvel Zombies is a current comic. I'm mostly talking about comics that are ongoings that are still coming out. Yeah I was not thinking about the Punisher when I was typing my previous post lol.

#23 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive said:

@tim2081: I'm not even sure when the last time Blade was on the stand, never mind having his own series. Both Ghost Rider and Dr. Strange don't currently have their own ongoing comic (but defenders is cool), and I'm not sure if Marvel Zombies is a current comic. I'm mostly talking about comics that are ongoings that are still coming out. Yeah I was not thinking about the Punisher when I was typing my previous post lol.

There is a current Marvel Zombies series featuring a 616 team travelling to alternate dimensions to stop them.

#24 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

no...the people who say that it's hard to get into comics because of continuity are just lazy and are ruining it for the rest of us....seriously...we have the internet and Comic Vine and tons of other wiki sites...it's super easy to get online and figure out what happened before you started reading....laziness has already ruined the DC Universe for a lot of people and before anyone brings up the jump in sales then you should know that sales numbers have already gone down to pretty much where they were before the reboot

This is just a beautiful read. I support 100%

#25 Posted by PowerHerc (81602 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't. Not me.

#26 Posted by PUNlSHER (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

No, Marvel prides itself in its continuity. It can reboot without suddenly shifting everything or just throwing away years of history. A slow reboot is a yes, dropping everything I have ever read about a character for a new universe which will also be a complete mess is a terrible idea. Marvel needs new writers not a new universe.

Well said.

#27 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

They don't.

#28 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

If your looking for a short term fix to prop up sales, then yes a New 52 style relaunch is the solution. If you want the quality of the titles and events to improve this really does not do anything but add hype.

#29 Posted by Zomboid (740 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't necessarily think they need a reboot/revamp/whatever, I think they seriously just need to start getting their s*** together.

#30 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel did a better job with their Ultimate Universe by not scrapping the original continuity and simply made one that was more down-to-earth. Unfortunately, they managed to screw that universe up.

#31 Posted by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a Marvel fan, and I wouldn't oppose to a reboot. Marvel's sales is still going strong at the moment, so I don't think they need one just yet, maybe 5-10 years down the line.

#32 Posted by TheHeat (450 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel isn't as desperate as DC was. The new 52 was really good for DC at first, but their sales nowadays seem to be the same as prior to the reboot. I'd say no to a reboot.

#33 Posted by TheHeat (450 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:

no...the people who say that it's hard to get into comics because of continuity are just lazy and are ruining it for the rest of us....seriously...we have the internet and Comic Vine and tons of other wiki sites...it's super easy to get online and figure out what happened before you started reading....laziness has already ruined the DC Universe for a lot of people and before anyone brings up the jump in sales then you should know that sales numbers have already gone down to pretty much where they were before the reboot

THIS!
#34 Posted by Malonius (883 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think they need a reboot. The histories of characters can be complicated but so long as you focus mainly on the present events and present relationships you're not going to scare new people off. I like a good text recap on the inside front cover if it's necessary and pertinent to explain, say, Gambit's relationship to Mr. Sinister. The really complicated characters continuity wise are Jean Grey and Spider-man. Still, I don't know that a reboot is called for. Just have a quiet editorial direction that writer's should never make Madeline Pryor or the Clone Saga a pertinent issue in a current story and you'll never have to deal with all that stuff. I really hope the "One More Day" crap somehow goes away. Peter and Mary Jane should have just got divorced.

#35 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@Twentyfive said:

They don't really need a relaunch. Such a thing will take a LONG time of hard research into your own continuity to see which characters to include, which to throw away, what aspect they should have, what event in their lives should stay canon, etc. Way too confusing, and you can see that DC hasn't though it over completely. What they need, however, is:

  1. Better editorial direction
  2. Stop milking the same two franchises
  3. Include more genres

The have one fantasy comic (to my knowledge), and probably NO horror comics. Comic storytelling goes beyond superheroes, and often times, superhero comics can transcend the usual mindless action stories. Marvel needs to learn these things.

Also, I think the main problem that relaunches have (as DC is will show us in due time) is that the comics will eventually revert to the same stories we have read before.

Gwen Stacy is going to die because that is what readers will expect. People will expect Jean to be consumed by the Phoenix Force at some point or another, and if these stories are altered even in the slightest, fans will bleat out their dissatisfaction like a huge pack angry dogs. I wouldn't want to read or hear that jargon. I'm good, lol. If they changed the founding members of the Avengers to include Hawkeye, Falcon, and Widow, people will wail about the exclusion of Hank and Jan, and so on.

I totally agree!  I think that even if Marvel did have a relaunch, as long as they have the same writers and the same editorial direction they currently have, things still won't change even after the reboot.
#36 Posted by royale_with_cheese (747 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

Most of the people who are saying yes seem to be more DC fans. This isn't a shot at you or anything or meant to be disrespectful, but that's kind of a disservice to Marvel fans. You not liking it doesn't mean rebooting it will all of a sudden make it better to you.

If continuity is what's keeping you away, that isn't too big of a problem. I got into DC (pre-New 52) by doing the research on the characters and events I was interested in on the wiki.

If you just don't like Marvel period, well a reboot won't change that.

Straight out of my goddamn mouth!

#37 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@royale_with_cheese said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

Most of the people who are saying yes seem to be more DC fans. This isn't a shot at you or anything or meant to be disrespectful, but that's kind of a disservice to Marvel fans. You not liking it doesn't mean rebooting it will all of a sudden make it better to you.

If continuity is what's keeping you away, that isn't too big of a problem. I got into DC (pre-New 52) by doing the research on the characters and events I was interested in on the wiki.

If you just don't like Marvel period, well a reboot won't change that.

Straight out of my goddamn mouth!

Amen.

#38 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheAnnihilator said:

No, just no.

#39 Edited by God_Spawn (37313 posts) - - Show Bio

In the fifty threads before this asking the same question, no. Marvel just needs to stop the events and focus on just telling stories again.

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#40 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5772 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

In the fifty threads before this asking the same question, no. Marvel just needs to stop the events and focus on just telling stories again.

I definitely agree with this!  If Marvel just concentrates on making good stories in the future, then they won't have to worry about a relaunch.
#41 Edited by Strider92 (16092 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4 said:

I'm not saying they should, but if they did I might actually be able to bring myself to start reading Marvel... instead of trying to jump into the convoluted mess it is right now.

Well something is going to happen in Amazing Spider-man 700 (after AvX) that to quote Slott "Is going to be huge and rock the whole Marvel universe. It's the biggest thing i've ever done with a character". I believe it was also stated somewhere that it would be a jump in point. So although its not a reboot as such it might change the Marvel Uni as what ever happens to Spider-man is apparently going to have an effect on nearly every Marvel title.

#42 Posted by VictorGrey (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

I'd be open to it.

#43 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Katie24 said:

Well with the history that Marvel has with stealing ideas from DC, they just my get there own relaunch.

And viceversa.

#44 Posted by Chaos Burn (1773 posts) - - Show Bio

yes to be honest, at least they need some serious character overhaul. I'm hoping Avengers vs X-men leads to someone using the Phoenix Force to bring Marvel back to the good ol' times

#45 Posted by War Killer (19963 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they need one.

#46 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

only lazy people and dc fans want a reboot. the continuity is good as it is. dont ruin it for the rest of us. just because dc screwed the pooch big time with the new52 that doesnt mean marvel has to too.

#47 Posted by darth_brendroid (1717 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally think that both companies should try their best to maintain stable and quality creative teams who do their run, tell their stories, then leave and allow a new team to do a run which is their own set of stories and so on. Each team should also be allowed to tie up any loose ends and properly conclude their run before leaving the title, just so there's a sense of closure and the new team, although continuing with the character and maintaining continuity, provides a good jump-on point. It sounded good in my head.

#48 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (1822 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strider92: Ugh..that means Dan Slott will be on ASM until at least #700 :( my day just became a little sadder.
#49 Posted by Strider92 (16092 posts) - - Show Bio

@Manwhohaseverything said:

@Strider92: Ugh..that means Dan Slott will be on ASM until at least #700 :( my day just became a little sadder.

To be honest I don't really have a problem with Slott's writing BUT i will admit "Who Is Alpha?" arc has me worried.

#50 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (1822 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strider92: Slott is actually popular and my opinion that he's a lousy writer is a minority one. (I went into detail why I think this on a review once) I complain about him more because he's writing a character, and a title that I love. A title I refuse to quit collecting. If he took over Daredevil from Mark Waid (Waid is the reason I'm reading Daredevil.) I'd simply drop the title, but I can't do that with ASM.