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#1 Edited by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

cause he seems pretty unbeatable

His fire weakness doesn't seem to be as crippling. Not even sure if it still exists.

His telepathy is very powerful. He can seemingly listen to everyone on earth and shows up whenever someone thinks about him or talks about him. He even appeared on Oa in the Green Lantern Corps to help the Green Lanterns. Than erased there memories.

Holds his own against the Justice League Big 7.

spoiler:

Justice League #20 Martian Manhunter takes Despero on one on one and owns him. He matches him physically and than breaks his mind with his psychic powers

#2 Edited by IamV (107 posts) - - Show Bio

I think so, i hope he gets his own ongoing as well, ya know like outside of his backups in jla

#3 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont know whats worse about that pic, the art or the dialogue

#4 Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1391 posts) - - Show Bio

HMMMM.... Mabye he is mabye....

#5 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

My guess is Captain Atom is still the most powerful. On the magic side, Spectre is probably still the most powerful.

#6 Posted by PCN24454 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing how he's Superman with telekinesis, telepathy, and shape-shifting, he should be, but writers will always underplay his strengths.

#7 Edited by Mr_Winchester (702 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

My guess is Captain Atom is still the most powerful. On the magic side, Spectre is probably still the most powerful.

Agreed.

Though have made MM to be very powerful, Taking on a team buster in Despero. He is definatley more powerful than Superman IMO.

#8 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Jonn seems to have all of Superman's powers plus mental powers, chameleon power, invisibility, density changing like Vision, so Jonn should be able to beat Superman. But I am not sure if Jonn can beat Wonder Woman since WW has better fighting skills.

#9 Posted by PCN24454 (454 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells:

1. I just said that.

2. Superman can beat Wonder Woman, so theoretically he should be able to beat Wonder Woman too.

#10 Edited by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

Jonn seems to have all of Superman's powers plus mental powers, chameleon power, invisibility, density changing like Vision, so Jonn should be able to beat Superman. But I am not sure if Jonn can beat Wonder Woman since WW has better fighting skills.

wait your saying hypothetically MM should beat Superman without Kryptonite or magic, but he can't take WW?

#11 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

If Jonn can survive being cut in half, maybe Jonn can beat Wonder Woman.

#12 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio

If Jonn can survive being cut in half, maybe Jonn can beat Wonder Woman.

he can.

#13 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Wonder Woman can use her sword to try to chop Jonn like minced onion.

#14 Posted by Onemoreposter (3934 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman will always be the strongest. It's just a fact of DC Comics life. If it came down to it, Superman would defeat the Martian Manhunter. Personally, I think J'onn beating Despero like that was PIS. I do like his characterization so far in the DCNU though. However, I do miss the pre-52 Manhunter who was powerful, but had a huge heart as well as the love and admiration of all of his friends and peers. I miss the J'onn who was "the heart of the league," and couldn't eat enough chocos....

We were John and he was us.

Its been a trend for years. Some writers (looking at you Geoff) think that a character has to be deadly serious and somehow twisted or damaged to be taken seriously. That certainly isn't the case....

#15 Posted by IamV (107 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter: Disagree, there is Capt Marvel/Atom/Majestic/Manhunter above him

he is the flagship flying brick but he is the middle guy

#17 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32665 posts) - - Show Bio

MM wont ever get an ongoing because a character like that is impossible to write

#18 Posted by Billy Batson (57753 posts) - - Show Bio

MM wont ever get an ongoing because a character like that is impossible to write

Pfft more powerful characters have had long lasting ongoings :p

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#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32665 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

MM wont ever get an ongoing because a character like that is impossible to write

Pfft more powerful characters have had long lasting ongoings :p

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Sorry I should fix that: MM wont get an ongoing because DC can't decided what to do with characters that powerful. I mean look at Captain Atom.

#20 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I keep reading claims on the Battles board that White Lantern Kyle is supposedly god-level. Not that I would know though, I haven't read a single new-52 issue of GL.

#21 Posted by Billy Batson (57753 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

MM wont ever get an ongoing because a character like that is impossible to write

Pfft more powerful characters have had long lasting ongoings :p

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Sorry I should fix that: MM wont get an ongoing because DC can't decided what to do with characters that powerful. I mean look at Captain Atom.

But Captain Atom got an ongoing? It just got cancelled due to low sales. And Matt Kindt has said to be interested of writing a MM ongoing and there's a good chance of it happening after Trinity War.

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#22 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32665 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@billy_batson said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

MM wont ever get an ongoing because a character like that is impossible to write

Pfft more powerful characters have had long lasting ongoings :p

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Sorry I should fix that: MM wont get an ongoing because DC can't decided what to do with characters that powerful. I mean look at Captain Atom.

But Captain Atom got an ongoing? It just got cancelled due to low sales. And Matt Kindt has said to be interested of writing a MM ongoing and there's a good chance of it happening after Trinity War.

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Yea the reason it had low sales is because DC didn't promote it and the writers didn't know what to do with him

#23 Posted by Billy Batson (57753 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

That doesn't mean other characters from getting an ongoing :P Looks like DC is testing the waters with some of their characters by having backups like with Larfleeze, Shazam and now MM.

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#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32665 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson: Yea but none of these characters are Captain Atom :-(

#25 Edited by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't MM beaten by that female character sent by Helspont in the picture?

#26 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells said:

Maybe Wonder Woman can use her sword to try to chop Jonn like minced onion.

he could still regenerate. i doubt he'd even give her the chance though.

#27 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter said:

However, I do miss the pre-52 Manhunter who was powerful, but had a huge heart as well as the love and admiration of all of his friends and peers. I miss the J'onn who was "the heart of the league," and couldn't eat enough chocos....

We were John and he was us.

Its been a trend for years. Some writers (looking at you Geoff) think that a character has to be deadly serious and somehow twisted or damaged to be taken seriously. That certainly isn't the case....

i agree with this

#28 Posted by GunGunW (996 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he's just the most annoying about it.

#29 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio

@gungunw said:

No, he's just the most annoying about it.

you mad?

#30 Posted by GunGunW (996 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: It'll pass, so no.

#31 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the New 52 was supposed to de-power some of their characters?

#32 Posted by lightsout (1822 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter: Agreed, especially the last part about being serious/twisted.

I like his new design & being a bit more bad-ass, but overall N52 has ruined MM IMO. Especially with JLoA #4 back-up where apparently now John's fire weakness is unique to him, because he witnesses his whole world ablaze and felt guilty for not being there to save it.........WTF?! Sure, let's just re-write the whole history of the martian race. I'm hoping it's revealed the whole new 52 is a giant Elseworlds.

#33 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter: Agreed, especially the last part about being serious/twisted.

I like his new design & being a bit more bad-ass, but overall N52 has ruined MM IMO. Especially with JLoA #4 back-up where apparently now John's fire weakness is unique to him, because he witnesses his whole world ablaze and felt guilty for not being there to save it.........WTF?! Sure, let's just re-write the whole history of the martian race. I'm hoping it's revealed the whole new 52 is a giant Elseworlds.

That's actually not something new. For a long time the fire weakness was a psychological problem that applied only to him because he saw his family burn to death. It was only later retconned

#34 Posted by lightsout (1822 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@lightsout said:

@onemoreposter: Agreed, especially the last part about being serious/twisted.

I like his new design & being a bit more bad-ass, but overall N52 has ruined MM IMO. Especially with JLoA #4 back-up where apparently now John's fire weakness is unique to him, because he witnesses his whole world ablaze and felt guilty for not being there to save it.........WTF?! Sure, let's just re-write the whole history of the martian race. I'm hoping it's revealed the whole new 52 is a giant Elseworlds.

That's actually not something new. For a long time the fire weakness was a psychological problem that applied only to him because he saw his family burn to death. It was only later retconned

(well that sort of makes my spoilers for-naught :p lol). Was that pre-crisis? (If so, that makes sense that Johns would resurrect something pre-crisis). I don't think there's many changes made post-crisis that people wish were undone**. John's history as described in his late 90's title was perfect IMO.

**(although personally I like that Silver Age brainiac was a machine, because it's closer to DCAU Brainiac & DCAU was what introduced me to super-heroes).

#35 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: It think it happened in the 90's but I can't say for sure.

#36 Posted by lightsout (1822 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: Ah. The solo was in 98, so maybe they didn't change his past between CIE & then because he wasn't featured as heavily.

#37 Posted by bigtewell (749 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark: green lantern new guardIans Is one of the best new 52s and yeah hes pretty tough sonce he can beat all of the corps

#38 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8406 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope,he's one of the most strogest and one of the most versatile. Martian Manhunter already lose to Helspont's minions (The blue girl of the first pic)

#39 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12506 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8406 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: @lightsout: Actually isn't implied that fire is a weakness, because after all he was able to get in while the planet Mars and the atmosphere was on fire and wasn't affected,without saying that he declared himself invulnerable against fire and then questioned why the fire was able to hurt him in that moment. It's possible to be a psychic weakness again or Shaggy Man has been modified to be able to hurt him, after all the Secret Society knew that the JLA, was behind chase them. As they watch the heroes for years, it is expected to have some form of counter attack and the contingency plans

#41 Posted by lightsout (1822 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21: Well I would say it's always (at least new 52 & pre-52 since his solo series (I don't know older than that)) been psychological, not that he's physically harmed by it (well, he is, but only after the psychological effect causes him to not be able to alter his physiology to resist the damaging effects of it). So new52 is saying that after he was down on the planet, it planted some sort of psychological seed that makes him now weak to it (which I do not care for, compared to the old reason that the whole race had it planted in them in their early days to prevent them from being too powerful).

#42 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8406 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout: I remember that,I really it will be his weakness is fire, whether psychological or not, this will lead people to confusion and ridicules it again,this make me remember the fight against Helspont's minion she used blue flame which psychic firein origins.

#43 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe. I think Darkseid is still stronger

#44 Posted by CosmicCommonSense (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@pcn24454:

hulk beat sentry absorbing man beat hulk so does that mean absorbing man can beat sentry? HA! fail logic is fail

#45 Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln (921 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait... how powerful is captain atom in new 52? and what is he doing now?

#46 Edited by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate how absurdly powerful Martian Manhunter is for absolutely no reason other than he's not human and writers could give him any powers they want by just saying "It's 'cus he's an alien." He's like a 5 year old's wish fulfillment. "I'm a 7 foot muscular alien with advanced intelligence, Superman-level strength, super speed, super stamina, invulnerability, rapid healing, longevity, flight, heat vision, x-ray vision, ice breath, sonic scream, telepathy, psionic blasts, telekinesis, shapeshifting, intangibility, invisibility, and 9 senses."

There's also the implication that ALL martians have the same innate abilities as he does. How were they wiped out?

He should just have telepathy, shapeshifting, intangibility, and flight. He could have a limited form of super-strength and endurance depending on his transformations. He could also perhaps have a form of invisibility, either as a chameleon camouflage-type ability utilizing his shapeshifting, or perhaps as a telepathic trick so others just aren't able to perceive him.

#47 Posted by mathematicscore (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool: I've always thought of his array of powers being due to his shape-shifting; he can 'copy' the powers of many races, Kryptonians included. I rather like him as a thinking man's Superman.

#48 Edited by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

@mathematicscore said:

@deadpool: I've always thought of his array of powers being due to his shape-shifting; he can 'copy' the powers of many races, Kryptonians included. I rather like him as a thinking man's Superman.

I've thought of his intangibility, invisibility/camouflage, flight, and stretching, and shapeshifting to be related to his telepathy since martians are able to mentally control their bodies. I could also see him having low-level superhuman strength in part to his shapeshifting by adding some mass and controlling his musculature he could gain bestial strength... but closer to someone like Hawkman, not Superman, which actually seems to be his normal martian strength.

But if what you're saying is true, then he has another hax superpower.

A "thinking man's Superman"?

#49 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool said:

I hate how absurdly powerful Martian Manhunter is for absolutely no reason other than he's not human and writers could give him any powers they want by just saying "It's 'cus he's an alien." He's like a 5 year old's wish fulfillment. "I'm a 7 foot muscular alien with advanced intelligence, Superman-level strength, super speed, super stamina, invulnerability, rapid healing, longevity, flight, heat vision, x-ray vision, ice breath, sonic scream, telepathy, psionic blasts, telekinesis, shapeshifting, intangibility, invisibility, and 9 senses."

There's also the implication that ALL martians have the same innate abilities as he does. How were they wiped out?

He should just have telepathy, shapeshifting, intangibility, and flight. He could have a limited form of super-strength and endurance depending on his transformations. He could also perhaps have a form of invisibility, either as a chameleon camouflage-type ability utilizing his shapeshifting, or perhaps as a telepathic trick so others just aren't able to perceive him.

They got wiped out because there was a virus specifically made to wipe them out.

#50 Edited by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

@deadpool said:

I hate how absurdly powerful Martian Manhunter is for absolutely no reason other than he's not human and writers could give him any powers they want by just saying "It's 'cus he's an alien." He's like a 5 year old's wish fulfillment. "I'm a 7 foot muscular alien with advanced intelligence, Superman-level strength, super speed, super stamina, invulnerability, rapid healing, longevity, flight, heat vision, x-ray vision, ice breath, sonic scream, telepathy, psionic blasts, telekinesis, shapeshifting, intangibility, invisibility, and 9 senses."

There's also the implication that ALL martians have the same innate abilities as he does. How were they wiped out?

He should just have telepathy, shapeshifting, intangibility, and flight. He could have a limited form of super-strength and endurance depending on his transformations. He could also perhaps have a form of invisibility, either as a chameleon camouflage-type ability utilizing his shapeshifting, or perhaps as a telepathic trick so others just aren't able to perceive him.

They got wiped out because there was a virus specifically made to wipe them out.

Isn't that the new story?

There's also still the problem of how absurdly powerful he is.