#1 Edited by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

I was sitting here going through my Scarlet Spider issues and the whole thing with Annabelle preventing Madame Webb warning Kaine about an impending danger surprised me. Previously to this issue I had always thought that Madame Webb was referring to the Queen. The Queen has a thing for Spider-men and Kaine was the one to kill her during Spider-Island.

She huh? As vague as always
Wait what?

However upon seeing what happened in Scarlet Spider 16 I was completely thrown. Annabelle has no reason to hide anything from Kaine that we know of so why would she burn a letter warning him?

Now what we need to take into account here is who Madame Webb would deem to be this kind of threat. Initially I took the "she's coming back" "shes coming back for Kaine" as a whole sentence meaning that whoever it was coming back wanted revenge however what if they were to completely different sentences. The first being that whoever it was has returned and the second being that their target is now Kaine not that the woman has any previous connection to Kaine!

You may be wondering where i'm going with this so i'll cut to the chase. We know that Yost has based Scarlet Spider heavily on JMS's run and with good reason as its awesome. We've seen the "Other" and we've seen Kaine using the "Other's" abilities. So what does this have to do with Annabelle? Well there is one character that was created by JMS as a prequel to the "Other" and Morlun. Someone almost on par with Morlun. Someone who hounded Peter mercilessly for days attacking him both personally and physically.

I am of course referring to Shathra!

The Totem Eater

You may think this is just a random thought with no basis but here is my reasoning!:

1. As I previously said Yost bases his stories on JMS's run and the "Other". Shathra was part of that saga being a totem eater like Morlun! As with Spider-man she was a prequel to Morlun's arrival it would make sense for Yost to want to use her prior to using Morlun.

2. It gives Annabelle a direct connection to the letter. Why would she burn a letter to Kaine warning him about a threat that wasn't directly linked to her? It makes no sense. She would have no reason to destroy the letter if it was warning Kaine about the Queen or Kraven's family. It makes no sense unless she herself is the threat to Kaine.

Shapeshifting

3. Shathra is a shape-shifter. It would not be hard for her to take on the appearance of Annabelle in order to get close to Kaine

4. Shathra likes to play games! Pretending to be Annabelle and toying with Kaine's emotions would be the ultimate game for her! Shes done it with Peter when she took up the guise of Sharon why shouldn't she do it with Kaine? Heck she even went as far as to say that she and Spider-man were lovers and publicly said a lot of lies about him in order to pull him out. I wouldn't put it past her to seduce Kaine in order to keep him in a position that she could kill him and toy with him any time she wanted.

Shathra's Game!

5. She is only other threat that Madame Webb would ever take seriously aside from the Queen due to the fact Shathra is a natural predator to the Spider-totem and the Web of Life.

6. Peter stated that Shathra tried to bring out the Spider in him due to the fact it was the only part she could feed on effectively and guess what? Kaine recently succumbed to the "Other" fully embracing his Spider-side. That is exactly what Shathra wants to feed properly. She made Peter lose control in order to do this the fist time:

Spider-man releasing his Spider-side

Kaine is far more brutal than Peter and far more in touch with his Spider-side. He has every single quality that Shathra desires to pull-out:

Sound like anyone we know?

So it may sound slightly far-fetched but given Yost's love of the "Other" and JMS's run its a character that could be used. Not to mention quite a few of the signs are there!

So I put it to you. Annabelle = Shathra!

#2 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by laflux (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

I would really want it to be true. I loved JMS's run (I'll ignore 2 relevant stories), and the Other arc was actually what got me into comics. Shantra is a great way of bringing in that concept- since Morlun isn't really a street-level threat anymore. I really hope its true, and perhaps we could have a three way team up with SpOck, Kaine and O'Hara trying to take down the totems figure/s. That's the only thing that can justify SpOck now IMO.....

Also Ascended Kaine needs to make a comeback, I wouldn't like it be like ascended Peter (who killed Morlun then just was conveniently forgotten about). And what better person to bring out that side of Kaine than Shantra :D

Great article!!!!!

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#4 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: If the Spider-Event of the Summer is all the Spider-man characters (SpOck, Kaine etc..) Vs The Totem eaters (there supposed to be a whole race of them in the astral plain) I would die a happy man.

And Ascended Kaine Vs Shathra would be a beastly fight.

#5 Posted by laflux (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: If the Spider-Event of the Summer is all the Spider-man characters (SpOck, Kaine etc..) Vs The Totem eaters (there supposed to be a whole race of them in the astral plain) I would die a happy man.

Yeah there is supposed to be a novel which explains the Morlun and the Totems eaters, but I don't think its cannon though. Might check it out...

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#6 Edited by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Well the race was mentioned in Black Panther when Morlun attacked so the race itself is canon.

#7 Posted by laflux (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Well the race was mentioned in Black Panther when Morlun attacked so the race itself is canon.

Yeah I know the race is cannon, but the story in the novel isn't as far as I'm aware (Are marvel novels ever cannon? )

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#8 Edited by Phaedrusgr (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: When I saw Annabelle burning the letter, I knew something was definitely wrong, and to be honest, "poor" Kaine is a Parker and everybody knows Parker's luck. Annabelle was too good to be true. I believe your theory is 99.9% valid. One small part of me wants Annabelle acting like this, you know,cause she's in love with Kaine and she doesn't want him to leave etc. I'm so romantic... *sighs, looking at the moon, reading poetry aloud*

P.S. Your article was 100% amazing as always, man.

#9 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: That would be one of the best things to happen currently to the Spider family.I loved what JMS did and if Yost is going to continue refering to his past stories then I am ALL IN! Shantra was always interesting to me and the Other was great and if we get to see her against Kaine,I would be in so much joy.

#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it

#11 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997: Considering the "Other" was one of my favorite arcs i'd love it if Yost brought Shathra back!

@phaedrusgr: Thanks :)

@laflux: What was the name of the novel just out of pure interest?

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#13 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: I really hope that what you are suggesting is true because now because of you I am really pumped for this to really happen. :D

#14 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Why Aracely hasn't "noticed" anything weird regarding Annabelle? What do you think?

#15 Edited by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Why Aracely hasn't "noticed" anything weird regarding Annabelle? What do you think?

Well Shathra didn't actually trip Spider-man's spider-sense when she went after him. With Morlun it made his spider-sense go haywire so i'm guessing Shathra might have some kind of cloaking.

#16 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Awesome analysis but i really don't want this to happen! i think this latter or her trying to hide something from kaine could work as a romance thing, but if this is what happens, i can't say i'd be mad, i mean this does sound very interesting, but i see Ana with much more potential :P

#17 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Ah! Another romantic soul in this thread. As I said a part of me really wants them together, but I think strider92 has a point...let's see what happens...

#18 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Ah! Another romantic soul in this thread. As I said a part of me really wants them together, but I think strider92 has a point...let's see what happens...

THANK YOU!

exactly, i can't remember the last time where i saw a decent relationship, and Yost is great with relationships and kemistry, either ways i am sure it will be well executed, maybe her secret is for a romantic drama? beats me :P

#19 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@phaedrusgr said:

@theacidskull: Ah! Another romantic soul in this thread. As I said a part of me really wants them together, but I think strider92 has a point...let's see what happens...

THANK YOU!

exactly, i can't remember the last time where i saw a decent relationship, and Yost is great with relationships and kemistry, either ways i am sure it will be well executed, maybe her secret is for a romantic drama? beats me :P

Or she's an evil totem eating inesct!?

#20 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@phaedrusgr said:

@theacidskull: Ah! Another romantic soul in this thread. As I said a part of me really wants them together, but I think strider92 has a point...let's see what happens...

THANK YOU!

exactly, i can't remember the last time where i saw a decent relationship, and Yost is great with relationships and kemistry, either ways i am sure it will be well executed, maybe her secret is for a romantic drama? beats me :P

Or she's an evil totem eating inesct!?

XDXDXDXD

#21 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (320 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll be honest. It's an interesting theory but I doubt it.

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#23 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: NOOOOO! i was pushing for a good love interest !

#24 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Who says Shathra can't be a love interest lol! Kaine isn't exactly human himself due to the whole other thing going on.

#25 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Who says Shathra can't be a love interest lol! Kaine isn't exactly human himself due to the whole other thing going on.

isn't shatra a villain who wanted to destroy spider-man?

#26 Edited by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Yeah that could be a problem........and actually she wanted to eat him lol......

#27 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Yeah that could be a problem........and actually she wanted to eat him lol......

yeah, if Anabelle is Shartha i will loose it! NYET!

And i don't want her to eat kaine.

#28 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: At least we might get a good fight involving "Other" possessed Kaine and Shathra.

#29 Edited by TheAcidSkull (15926 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: At least we might get a good fight involving "Other" possessed Kaine and Shathra.

yeah, true. though Maybe sharthra Likes Kaine because he'll got to Places peter Won't( i don;t mean in bed :P)

#30 Posted by laflux (11066 posts) - - Show Bio

Full of win!!!!

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#31 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

Full of win!!!!

Damn straight!!!!!

#32 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (320 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't believe it's prove she's Annabelle. Maybe there will be other hints later. But so far there's also the possibility that Annabelle simply didn't want him to leave.

#33 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92 said:

@theacidskull: At least we might get a good fight involving "Other" possessed Kaine and Shathra.

yeah, true. though Maybe sharthra Likes Kaine because he'll got to Places peter Won't( i don;t mean in bed :P)

To be fair Kaine could do worse ;)

#34 Posted by Mrgreenlantern (567 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol love this ! also whos to say she still cant be a couple. I mean we could end up with a hal / carol dynamic

I can see it now, kaine and anabelle in the sack having some fun then BANG she tries to eat him he transforms into the other...=p god we can really have some fun with Kaine in a way we couldn't with peter