#1 Edited by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is the leader hal jordan more then likely never follows his rules so why? There's no reason to keep a player on the team if he doesn't follow order (ecpecially in combat) that's pretty stupid and can get people killed or get people hurt or like in issue 7 of justice league can cause a whole lot of property damage so why?

#2 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

batman is not the leader. supes is. hal jordan can actually do something in a fight as opposed to batman.

#3 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6292 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetimestreamer: Strategically, Batman is the leader. Though I don't agree with the OP at all.

#4 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11390 posts) - - Show Bio

When has Hal ever broken the rules?

#5 Posted by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe: are you posting and not saying anything at all?

#8 Posted by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is not the leader. Him and Aquaman have been fighting for that position the entire time.

Hal has never endangered lives by breaking rules

#10 Posted by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare: it has be shown! But it still doesn't answer my question and by the way yes aquaman and batman have been fighting for that role but it hasn't stop him from not following his order or did he not follow his orders in thrown of atlantis because I forgot

#11 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare: it has be shown! But it still doesn't answer my question and by the way yes aquaman and batman have been fighting for that role but it hasn't stop him from not following his order or did he not follow his orders in thrown of atlantis because I forgot

What orders? He has nobody to take orders from. Hal wasn't in Throne of Atlantis

#12 Posted by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare: I'm talking about aquaman

Aquaman didn't listen to the other members because they were all being idiots.

#14 Edited by Black_Claw (2975 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare: True. But Hal was a colossal douche when he was a part of the league though.

#15 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@peppeyhare: True. But Hal was a colossal douche when he was a part of the league though.

Being a douche is what Hal is known for. He's still a fantastic hero

#16 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

we don't know if he has or hasn't, but If he has or hasn't it could be that his powers and knowledge of are a tremendous asset. It could be out of respect since Hal is a co-founder and a skilled hero when he isn't being a dick. maybe Batman simply thinks that Hal's less trouble as part of the JL then away from it. It could be a bunch of things.

#17 Posted by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

pffft...first, let me say that I am a big fan of Batman, but seriously, I think being part of the GLC is a much bigger responsibility than the JL.

If Hal was kicked out...which I doubt he ever would be (SCW and Blackest Night, anyone?) it would be a loss to the JL.

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#18 Posted by Knightfall225 (1988 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan is a GL.....one of the strongest beings in the universe......I doubt he will ever be kicked off

#19 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetimestreamer said:

hal jordan can actually do something in a fight as opposed to batman.

My God you talk a lot of nonsense.

Hal Jordan is a GL.....one of the strongest beings in the universe......I doubt he will ever be kicked off

There's like 5 of those on Earth alone.

He has as much right to be there as any other JL member. They're all d*cks under Johns' pen.

#20 Edited by Denam_Pavel (162 posts) - - Show Bio

He did have to leave the current Justice League. He resigned from the previous JLA too (the one with Grayson-Batman), he stayed with the one before that for only about two years.

#21 Edited by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody giving me a good answer

1.batman wouldn't give respect hal jordan unless geoff johns is writing it

2.at the moment there are two earth lantern that can be on the justice league

3.we all know this for a fact hal jordan is a giant douch bag

Who doesn't follow order when he supposed to so why?

#22 Posted by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal gets the bottom line done..save the world

even as a pilot in the Air Force he always ruffled the feathers of the brass but did what he had to.

Hal is the John McClane of DC Comics

#23 Posted by Outside_85 (8758 posts) - - Show Bio

Because other than Batman, they just politely tolerate his douchebagness.

If Hal was kicked out...which I doubt he ever would be (SCW and Blackest Night, anyone?) it would be a loss to the JL.

Well, you could also say it's because of Hal both of those stories came to Earth, being the guy who originally made that little peep-hole for Nekron and was the one who was most connected to Sinestro.

If it would be a loss? Honestly I don't think so, there used to be 3 others from the exact same outfit with the exact same powers. What you would loose was the Hal/Barry relationship and Hal's rather disruptive approach to teamwork.

#24 Posted by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

Because other than Batman, they just politely tolerate his douchebagness.

@sinestro_gl said:

If Hal was kicked out...which I doubt he ever would be (SCW and Blackest Night, anyone?) it would be a loss to the JL.

Well, you could also say it's because of Hal both of those stories came to Earth, being the guy who originally made that little peep-hole for Nekron and was the one who was most connected to Sinestro.

If it would be a loss? Honestly I don't think so, there used to be 3 others from the exact same outfit with the exact same powers. What you would loose was the Hal/Barry relationship and Hal's rather disruptive approach to teamwork.

A very valid point, but then again we could also say that other characters, such as Superman, attract as much attention to Earth as Hal does. My raising of that point was to highlight the fact that Hal was indeed instrumental in the effort to save Earth.

With regards to your final comment, I'm not actually sure how the other GLC members would react if Hal were kicked off the JL. I wouldn't think that Guy, John or Kyle would join the JL should one of their own be treated that way...would make for a good story arc (JL/GL crossover perhaps)

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#25 Posted by RustyRoy (12049 posts) - - Show Bio

Kyle should be on the team.

#26 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody giving me a good answer

No one can really give a good answer. we dont know anything about the JL's history in the new 52 therefore cant speak on the matter. story purposes i guess, similar to Guy Gardner and the pre-flashpoint JLI.

1.batman wouldn't give respect hal jordan unless geoff johns is writing it

I'd disagree. Geoff Johns is pretty much the writer who's written the most conflict between them outside of Hal's Parallax days.

2.at the moment there are two earth lantern that can be on the justice league

True, there is now but then again, there wasn't when Hal was actually on the team so im not sure how this is relevant to the topic.

3.we all know this for a fact hal jordan is a giant douche bag

So is Guy Gardner, but he never got kicked off when he was a member pre-flashpoint. things don't work like that in the grownup world especially in civil service. unless someone seriously effs up and ends up getting someone hurt.

Who doesn't follow order when he supposed to so why?

#27 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

Kyle should be on the team.

would the team even be needed if Kyle was there? he's a white lantern

#28 Edited by Mrgreenlantern (657 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman respects Hal and vice versa , one of the early issues of Justice League Batman gives a speech to Hal how both of them are on a team of super People while both of them are just humans with a couple of "trinkets" and toys

#29 Posted by Outside_85 (8758 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Because other than Batman, they just politely tolerate his douchebagness.

@sinestro_gl said:

If Hal was kicked out...which I doubt he ever would be (SCW and Blackest Night, anyone?) it would be a loss to the JL.

Well, you could also say it's because of Hal both of those stories came to Earth, being the guy who originally made that little peep-hole for Nekron and was the one who was most connected to Sinestro.

If it would be a loss? Honestly I don't think so, there used to be 3 others from the exact same outfit with the exact same powers. What you would loose was the Hal/Barry relationship and Hal's rather disruptive approach to teamwork.

A very valid point, but then again we could also say that other characters, such as Superman, attract as much attention to Earth as Hal does. My raising of that point was to highlight the fact that Hal was indeed instrumental in the effort to save Earth.

With regards to your final comment, I'm not actually sure how the other GLC members would react if Hal were kicked off the JL. I wouldn't think that Guy, John or Kyle would join the JL should one of their own be treated that way...would make for a good story arc (JL/GL crossover perhaps)

That is true, but I am hesitant about showing praise on a character for saving the day during a story that was built for them (when they announced BN you pretty much knew who was going to save the day). Same think with Barry and Flashpoint and such.

Guy probably wouldn't, because he is worse than Hal in the regard to not liking authorities (and especially Batman) and that whole 'GL's is the best there is at everything'-mentality that Baz apparently has also aquired. John and Kyle on the other hand, that will be dependent on the situation that led to Hal getting sacked. The GLC as a whole probably wouldn't care.

#30 Edited by Pokeysteve (8259 posts) - - Show Bio

There is more to being on the JL than just following orders. All 7 members are leaders with Cyborg being iffy. Hal is a useful and resourceful member. He deserves a spot.

#31 Edited by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

He not recourceful he has a green lantern ring he useful when he's being a friend but not when he's following order and what's more then following order? What more? Its like football if you constantly disobey orders you are kicked off the team even if you have friends on the team or your captian is your friend your still going to be kicked off the team wonder woman was right to tell hal that he treats every mission like a game unless he's in space apparently so why is on is he still on the team?

And he deserves to be on the team but really there is at least one other lantern that does also deserve john stewart and you know it

#32 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

He not recourceful he has a green lantern ring he useful when he's being a friend but not when he's following order and what's more then following order?

I cant even tell what you said here.

What more? Its like football if you constantly disobey orders you are kicked off the team even if you have friends on the team or your captian is your friend your still going to be kicked off the team wonder woman was right to tell hal that he treats every mission like a game unless he's in space apparently

so why is on is he still on the team?

HE ISNT ON THE TEAM!!!!! why do you keep saying that? he left a long time ago.

And he deserves to be on the team but really there is at least one other lantern that does also deserve john stewart and you know it

John doesnt have the time, he has to be on OA full time to train the new recruits. Anyway, if you want to find a replacement you should probably find someone who isnt guilty of the same damn things that that guy you're replacing is guilty of. remember Xanshi?

#33 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl said:

@outside_85 said:

Because other than Batman, they just politely tolerate his douchebagness.

@sinestro_gl said:

If Hal was kicked out...which I doubt he ever would be (SCW and Blackest Night, anyone?) it would be a loss to the JL.

Well, you could also say it's because of Hal both of those stories came to Earth, being the guy who originally made that little peep-hole for Nekron and was the one who was most connected to Sinestro.

If it would be a loss? Honestly I don't think so, there used to be 3 others from the exact same outfit with the exact same powers. What you would loose was the Hal/Barry relationship and Hal's rather disruptive approach to teamwork.

A very valid point, but then again we could also say that other characters, such as Superman, attract as much attention to Earth as Hal does. My raising of that point was to highlight the fact that Hal was indeed instrumental in the effort to save Earth.

With regards to your final comment, I'm not actually sure how the other GLC members would react if Hal were kicked off the JL. I wouldn't think that Guy, John or Kyle would join the JL should one of their own be treated that way...would make for a good story arc (JL/GL crossover perhaps)

That is true, but I am hesitant about showing praise on a character for saving the day during a story that was built for them (when they announced BN you pretty much knew who was going to save the day). Same think with Barry and Flashpoint and such.

Guy probably wouldn't, because he is worse than Hal in the regard to not liking authorities (and especially Batman) and that whole 'GL's is the best there is at everything'-mentality that Baz apparently has also aquired. John and Kyle on the other hand, that will be dependent on the situation that led to Hal getting sacked. The GLC as a whole probably wouldn't care.

Well none of em seemed to give a crap about Hal being booted out of the corps so i dont see why they would care about him getting kicked out of the JL. its not like any of them have a good record for being there when they needed him unless something bigger was a stake.

#34 Edited by RustyRoy (12049 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

Kyle should be on the team.

would the team even be needed if Kyle was there? he's a white lantern

I know he is a WT now but who knows he might be back as a GL. Btw how powerful is he now?

#35 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@avenging_x_bolt said:

@rustyroy said:

Kyle should be on the team.

would the team even be needed if Kyle was there? he's a white lantern

I know he is a WT now but who knows he might be back as a GL. Btw how powerful is he now?

he can apparently harness the power of the entire spectrum. i would assume he has some resurrection abilities as well.

#36 Posted by lifeofvibe (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: is being a white lantern to out of place to be on the justice league?

#37 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Edited by SUNMAN (7228 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal is off the League and no one misses him which is why they didn't try to get him back.

#39 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal can do what he wants, he is a cop over the sector.

#40 Posted by Stefano (346 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Hal is one of the most powerful members of the league and in the end of the day he does whats needed to save the world

#41 Posted by RDClip (1129 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman doesn't have absolute authority over the League. He might decide strategy, but he can't just make arbitrary decisions about founders or any members for that matter. If anyone was to be booted from the team, they should go to a vote from all the founders.

#42 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio

@sunman said:

Hal is off the League and no one misses him which is why they didn't try to get him back.

true enough. although trying to get him back might have conflicted with the whole "scapegoat" thing.

#43 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5241 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal Jordan is a GL.....one of the strongest beings in the universe......I doubt he will ever be kicked off