@viperking: That is what I said, mate. It had happened during the pre-Flashpoint timeline.
I never said that you didn't be seeing as I was only referring too what happens in new 52 timeline it was irrelevant to what I was discussing. Which was what happened in the new 52.
Alright then.
Also I said I doubt he has "learned" those defenses. You're saying Orion deliberately places defenses in his mind. Those are two different actions.
Place or learned doesn't really matter. The defences are there regardless of how they got there.
I never stated otherwise.
To clarify this, the 52 is not the same as the New 52.
Never said it was but seeing as I was talking about the new 52 which was a reply to you making a comment about the new 52 the 52 weekly series isn't really a factor in this now is it.
I was simply clarifying the fact, because I assumed you did not know this. It is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
You obviously don't know much about it considering that you've been implying that you are referring to the New 52.
Common man don't make a dumb assumption. First off you have no idea what I know about the 52 weekly series and second I wasn't implying anything. I was straight up talking about the New 52. Everything I said that happened was in the New 52 and I said as much in one of my comments. I just forgot to add new in the other couple of them. It was pretty obvious what I was talking about. If you were confused how about asking me first. Don't turn what was a simple discussion into something else.
You said Orion placed defenses in the 52, leading me to believe that you were contradicting what I said about the pre-Flashpoint timeline. I realized you were talking about the New 52 after another post from you. My apologies for the insult though. That was definitely out of line and misplaced.
Anyways, Martian Manhunter did take down Despero in the New 52.That definitely is an impressive feat
That's just one feet that contradicted by others on how powerful he is.
Could you show me these contradicting feats? Are these feats mostly in StormWatch?
. I advise that you read the original OP, especially since you've failed to realize that he is bloodlusted in this battle.
Yeah bloodlusted which has a tendency to cloud someones cognitive ability maybe you should take your own advice. Not that it would matter because
He's unleashing the full extent of his psychic abilities, so it is, possibly, probable that he can overwhelm Orion's implementation of those psychic defenses. That was my point.
It has been established in the New 52 that Martian Manhunter is the most powerful telepath on our Earth and one of the most powerful in the universe.
Really? Show me where that was and just what justifies such a claim. When it's already gave you a couple instances that he isn't all that great. Matter of fact I would say Hector Hammond might just be stronger. OH and for the record that one universe is still just one universe among many whereas the New Gods are unique to all the universes. It's not hard to imagine they would come across being mentally stronger than MM. Maybe another MM in fact.
Unfortunately I don't have the scan but I do have the actual comic book. Since Blackest Night is canon to the New 52, Green Lantern's volume 4, issue #44, has it stated by the dead Martian that he is the most powerful telepath. I do concede the fact that there is little in the New 52 itself, that justifies the claim. I never said he was the most powerful in the universe, mate. I said he was one of the most powerful in the universe.
He mindwiped the entire StormWatch team of his participation so I'm told.
He took them all by surprise and IIRC one of them let him. Not that that is such a big feet. Considering we don't even know if the team had any defences of their own and telepath could have come along and done the same. Try not to use second hand knowledge context is not reliable.
I didn't count on it to be a great feat of psychic ability. I was simply stating this is what I was told rather than what I know.
You've already admitted there are flaws to the system placed by Orion so stop assuming that Superman can't be taken down by psychic attacks.
Show me where I made that claim. What I said is there is no way to tell if MM can at this point. But if we are going to talk about assumption considering how I showed you how MM's isn't perfect either stop making assumptions that MM could get by his defences.
You said "We have seen flaws in it already." That was your admission. I never said that J'onn was perfect, mate. I concede that in my original post, I assumed Martian Manhunter could take down his defenses because of my knowledge of him from the pre-Flashpoint timeline and that you've proven the post-Flashpoint J'onn's levels of psychic ability could possibly be different from the pre-Flashpoint one.
As for the rest of who wins I wasn't taking anyones side nor am I trying to prove someone wins over the other.
Really you took a small statement that just added where Superman got his defences in the New 52 and tried to turn in ugly.
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