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#1 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

Unlike oridinary criminals such as Bank Robbers, Rapists, Serial Killers, Burglars, Con Men, etc Batman can't master Joker's method of criminal behavior because he'll do just about any crime, and it's never simple when Batman, or any other good guy will try to defeat the Joker.
A main obvious answer is the fact that Joker often acts savage to get Batman's attention, and his beliefs are the complete opposite of Batman's which he acts on through his violent criminal behavior.
Add in with the exception of Commisioner Gordon, Batman, and anyone else he can torture he has no respect for human life which makes it very easy for him to kill.

#2 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

No takers.

#3 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Joker is smart as hell, and because of his insanity, completely unpredictable. One day he may apply to be a comedian in a night club, the next he will gas a subway station. Most batman rogues, and most villains in general, operate on some sense of logic which can be understood and countered. Joker has no such thought pattern. Like Michael Caine put it in Dark knight, he has no particular desire or destination, he " just wants to see the world burn".

#4 Posted by Fox Hound (50 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker is the worse because he has no attachments like the rest, the others do things for money, revenge, power, etc, joker just does it for fun and if he gets money and power while he is at it, he will take it XD

But is mostly just for the fun of it, the rest are just a bunch of greedy b#stards and are easier to read, there is nothing worse than unpredictability and that is what joker has in spades. 

besides look at the things he have done, he Crippled Barbara and Killed Jason, He has mess up the bat family more times than anyone in my count...
  

#5 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Batman won't kill him. He doesn't kill anyone, I know, but if he ever did, I think Joker would be the last one. Sometimes I think he even respects the Joker in a weird way.

#6 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

He wants to see the world burn, he has nothing to lose and acts according to that

The only thing worse/creepier than a smiling Joker is a Joker who doesn't smile

#7 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2614 posts) - - Show Bio
I guess Batman not being able to get rid of the Joker for nearly fifty years says something for the Joker. :p

In one issue of the JLA it shows how Batman could kill every member, even Superman. :/

But, Batman can't do much against the Joker.    hmmmmm
#8 Posted by John Valentine (16310 posts) - - Show Bio

It's his killer dress sense.

#9 Posted by NightFang (10068 posts) - - Show Bio

I say its that killer smile of his.

#10 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio
Cezar_TheScribe said:
"
I guess Batman not being able to get rid of the Joker for nearly fifty years says something for the Joker. :p

In one issue of the JLA it shows how Batman could kill every member, even Superman. :/

But, Batman can't do much against the Joker.    hmmmmm
"

their secretly in love :P
#11 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

He's fully aware Batman won't kill him and believes in Justice so he takes advantage of that by torturing him through killing members of the Batman family, and continues to commit more atrocious crimes.

A tempter that tries to bring out the worst in people. The fact he was able to fool Superman, and nearly have him kill the Joker in rage when Lois was in no danger shows how tricky, and manipulative the Joker is. 

#12 Posted by John Valentine (16310 posts) - - Show Bio
Firestormnuclerman said:

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

Joker does not break the fourth wall.
#13 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

Joker does not break the fourth wall."
Are you saying he's not aware he's a comic book character?
#14 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio
Firestormnuclerman said:
"John Valentine said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

Joker does not break the fourth wall."
Are you saying he's not aware he's a comic book character?"
He is not aware he is a comic book character, Deadpool is aware, She Hulk is aware, but not Joker

#15 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Batman and the Joker are secretly butt pirates. Why do you think he killed Jason? Cause Jason was eyeballing Joker's booty. Na-mean?

#16 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
G'bandit said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:
"John Valentine said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

Joker does not break the fourth wall."
Are you saying he's not aware he's a comic book character?"
He is not aware he is a comic book character, Deadpool is aware, She Hulk is aware, but not Joker

"
According to the DC Database he is aware he's a comic book character.  Also Joker has broken the fourth wall. Although it's not the comics in the 90s Batman TAS he broke it.
#17 Edited by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker. He's a sadomasochist who has Batman all figured out & wrapped around his finger. He likes to recieve pain as much as he likes to distribute it, so beating him up is just part of his scheme. Litteraly, he expects Batman to play the usual song & dance of showing up, fighting, & waiting for the little men in white coats to haul him back home.

Sending him to Arkham is pointless since he used to live in the mansion it was built over. He knows all the escape routs.

He's a master of escape: straighjackets, cuffs, exploding buildings, crashing helecoptors; he's escaped them all.

He's never boring; lying, reinventing himself, a new origing story every year, he's unpredictable & whismsy. I'm actaly sometimes ashames of how little Batman seems to know about him when no matter how unique the scheme, the Joker likes to follow a repetitive pattern.

He knows who Batman really is & doesn't really give a shit. He also knows how Batman works, what he will & won't do. He didn't in the earlier campy days & in the earlier Modern Age comics, but it's like I said, he's got him all figured out know & knows how to push his buttons.

Much to Batman's ire, if the Joker is in a sticky situation, Batman's no-kill policy demands that he rescue the Joker. Knowing this, the Joker will sometimes put himself in danger & laugh when Batman does the predictable. It goes two-ways. If anyone but the Joker were to kill Batman, the Joker would be one of the first people out there seeking revenge for his death. Aside from reading a statement form Dido (I believe it was him) that Bruce doesn't die in RIP, the Joker's reaction to the situation in RIP was a give-away that he wasn't really helping Hurt, even before he mentioned that he used nonlethal gas.

He hates Batman wannabes. While he won't kill THE Batman, anyone who shows up in his place or works with him is free-game; Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Azrael, Catwoman, etc. I'll be super pissed if he doesn't play a big part in getting Bruce out of his funk & back in black.

He's the king of anarchy; no rules, no restrictions.

The other villains of Gotham are afraid of him. Even Killer Crock takes orders from him. He's like the boss of Arkham. He's also held his own against Hush & Lex Luthor, but he's still got a score to settle with Bane & probably Ra's al Ghul too. The new Sweeny Todd makeover makes me believe that he will be a better fighter who won't need to rely on henchmen anymore, though he might still hire some in the future for paltry missions & target practice.

He doesn't need muscles & a gay skin-tight suit.

He fights women like equals instead of going easy on them like weaklings.

Batman is not the only person who thinks of Joker as his ultimate nemesis. I'm pretty sure Oracle, Red Robin, Nightwing, & Robin share that sentiment.

No one can be used as a hostage against him. He doesn't even care if Harley dies. He doesn't have a concience & a code of morals to restrain him (that's one of the reasons his sentiment for his dead wife in Gotham Knights pissed me off. The other is because he was lamenting about the past. That's faux pas in itself.)

#18 Edited by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio
Firestormnuclerman said:
"G'bandit said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:
"John Valentine said:
"Firestormnuclerman said:

He's aware he's a comic book character. So he knows Batman can never get to the people responsible for having Joker commiting more crimes and escaping.

Joker does not break the fourth wall."
Are you saying he's not aware he's a comic book character?"
He is not aware he is a comic book character, Deadpool is aware, She Hulk is aware, but not Joker

"
According to the DC Database he is aware he's a comic book character.  Also Joker has broken the fourth wall. Although it's not the comics in the 90s Batman TAS he broke it."
When he looks at the readers/viewers & says something like "Don't try this at home, kiddies," I'd say it was a misinterpritation of him actualy talking to himself, pretending or hoping that there was a TV camera in the vicinity spying on him. & I'd assume the same for the rest. If they gave the impression of being aware they were comic or cartoon characters in a silver or golden age comic, I'd concider it a poorly thought out scene & I pretty much concider everything that happened before A Death in the Family as happening in a paralell universe where everything is dumbed down & childish (like my spelling skills). Batman TAS is it's own world entirely.
#19 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a cunning b@stard feared by both super heroes, and super villains.

#20 Posted by blade hunter (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

He is willing to do anything to get at batman weather it's bombing a building or killing his side kick, he is obsessed with batman and will go out of his way to harm batman in anyway he can.

#21 Posted by Graft (1812 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd actually put Riddler higher up on the list..

#22 Posted by Graft (1812 posts) - - Show Bio
Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:
"More than Ra's? 
I've got nothing but love for Mr. E. Nigma, but even I have to stop you there. Ra's is much more threatening. That scan from Nightwing where they are fighting shows why he's more of a threat than Joker.
"
Nah, not more than Ra's.

I was just talking about the thread title "Why Joker is Batman's most dangerous enemy".

#23 Posted by Graft (1812 posts) - - Show Bio

No, He has'nt. Personal preference I suppose, I just like how Riddler is more..keeping bats on his toes

#24 Edited by Konstantine (7 posts) - - Show Bio
Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:
He tortured Commissioner Gordon with naked pictures of his beaten and battered daughter. "

O_O
#25 Posted by Konstantine (7 posts) - - Show Bio
Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:
"Konstantine said:
"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:
He tortured Commissioner Gordon with naked pictures of his beaten and battered daughter. "

O_O
"
You didn't know that??

Nice avatar.
"
I did but it still makes me go O_O lol

and thanks
#26 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

hes the smartest,most evil villain that batman has ever faced

#27 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"hes the smartest,most evil villain that batman has ever faced"

Also the most unpredictable that commits crimes as Bats put it that makes sense to him only.
#28 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see Joker settling the score with Bane unless he's Emperor Joker or has some other advantage.

Bane is a superior hand to hand combatant, strategist, tactician, and thinker. It's as big of mismatch as the Browns vs the Steelers, Batista vs Triple H, Apollo Creed vs Ivan Drago, Frazier vs Ali. Joker's hand to hand combat skills are about as decent as foot soldiers in TMNT, and he can't even annoy Bane. He's basically like Triple H able to talk tough, but can't walk the walk against a larger better combatant.

#29 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?
#30 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?"
If you want. Has he faced Brainiac?
#31 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?"
You can add Red Skull.
#32 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

brainiac? not that I know of

Red Skull?

#33 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?"
i met in his rogue gallery
#34 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

red skull is not even in the dc universe

#35 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio

Still he faced him, and he's way smarter than Joker.

#36 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?"
i met in his rogue gallery"
ok then, take Darkseid (who after recent events could be includded) and vandal savage
#37 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

was this an crossover

#38 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"was this an crossover"

Yes a Batman Captain America crossover.
#39 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

ok

#40 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker actually isn't Batman's most dangerous enemy.Batman is his own most dangerous enemy.If I was Batman..Joker would have been dead years ago.

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#41 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

You as Batman? pff yeah right ;P

#42 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"You as Batman? pff yeah right ;P"
Well I don't quite have the physique or the small package for the tights and the trunks but I could pull that cape off.
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#43 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

those are all bonuses, all you need to do is say in a convincing and ridiculous way "I'm batman"

#44 Posted by Darth Balls (691 posts) - - Show Bio

i disagree because whats the baddest thing jokers did in awhile.After a while he becomes predictable like he's not even a chalenge anymore like he was when he started.if anything he's so not batmans most dangerous enemy anymore batmans worst enemy is himself.

#45 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"Nighthunter said:
"claws said:
"hes the smartest villain that batman has ever faced"
wrong

Luthor

Ra's al Ghul

Vandal Savage

Darkseid

Riddler

Deathstroke

Prometheus

Talia al Ghul

should I continue?"
i met in his rogue gallery"
ok then, take Darkseid (who after recent events could be includded) and vandal savage"

ur right i forgot about those charecters
#46 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
Darth Balls said:
"i disagree because whats the baddest thing jokers did in awhile.After a while he becomes predictable like he's not even a chalenge anymore like he was when he started.if anything he's so not batmans most dangerous enemy anymore batmans worst enemy is himself."
If he wasn't a challenge then how come he always manages to find a way to escape the inferior sorry excuse for a strong built asylum Arkam Asylum?
Ras Ah Ghul is somewhat predictable considering Batman know's his goal but that doesn't mean he's not a challenge. I find it hard to believe he isn't Batman's most dangerous enemey when he has nearly brought Batman over the edge to kill the piece of trash lowlife. Let me further add in a cruel practical joke he had to intervene to stop Superman from killing him when Lois was in no real danger. No person has put Gotham City through more hell than the Joker. He's commited every crime in the book so I find it very hard he's not Batman's most dangerous enemey when he makes a mockery of everything that Batman stands for.
#47 Posted by KeiPunk (2 posts) - - Show Bio

because..he's not only the smartest hes the most psychotily evil person who prevokes him...he has the why not mentality that drvies batman crazy

#48 Posted by Kyriakos (164 posts) - - Show Bio

BEcause he doesn't gives a shit  whether he dies or not.
He is insane and paranoic. Need more?

#49 Posted by Firestormnuclerman (2097 posts) - - Show Bio
Kyriakos said:
"BEcause he doesn't gives a shit  whether he dies or not.
He is insane and paranoic. Need more?"
I would say add in he wants to see the world burn, and that pretty much sums up The Clown Prince of Crime.
#50 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker is Batman's most dangerous enemy because he didn't kill him when he had the chance..which ultimately leads to Joker knowing more about him and being able to set something up.

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