#1 Edited by HighlyEvolved (307 posts) - - Show Bio

I understand why he was dislikable during his time as robin but he seems good so far as the red hood... Just want your opinion. And please don't bring up Battle for the Cowl. I know he was a douche in that one.

#2 Posted by MasterDetective (831 posts) - - Show Bio

he's evil

#3 Posted by Bluefox170 (382 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion I just think he's not being handled properly. At one point I was a huge fan but then it started to seem like writers couldn't decide what they wanted him to be. His personality has been all over the place. I very much enjoyed his original debut as Red Hood and this new 52 version looks cool save for the helmet mouth. I've only read maybe the first half of RHATO up to this point but I didn't like the focus on him having to redeem himself. and with this particular team no less. I don't think that's what his story should have become.

#4 Edited by sinestro_GL (3127 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate?

I actually really like Jason...as RH.

#5 Edited by SupBatz (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

You made a similar thread here: http://www.comicvine.com/jason-todd/4005-6849/forums/do-you-or-do-you-not-like-jason-todd-1474737/#22

So I'll just repost my opinion from there:

I absolutely loved him in Under the Red Hood. I believe it to be one of the greatest Batman stories to date. And Jason was portrayed perfectly in it.

However, my opinion of him has diminished significantly since. As others have said, he is far to inconsistent. We've seen insanely villainous Jason in the past and now we're seeing him as a bit more of a softie than I care to see.

Sometimes, I feel like Jason's character might have benefited if he died after Under the Red Hood. He worked there but it seems that there has been trouble finding a place for him in the Bat-Family or Rogues Gallery since.

#6 Posted by UncleEmu (179 posts) - - Show Bio

He was so sick in the Under the Red Hood story arc. However, DC has done everything they can to ruin his character since then

#7 Posted by lifeofvibe (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

@uncleemu: yup i have hopes that judd winick will come back and write him again

#8 Posted by Knightfall225 (1988 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be a villain because the only time i actually liked him was during under the red hood

#9 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked him and then they did the whole new 52 thing and made him and everything he stood for pointless again. I did enjoy the stuff with the joker, you know Joker being the one that pulled the strings and maybe made Jason the way he is, was a cool twist.

#10 Posted by ImagineMan16 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that if he had died at the end of Under the Red Hood, it would have cemented him as having one of the best character arcs in the medium.

#11 Edited by Jake Fury (18394 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer him as the wise cracking guy that's actually gotten past his angst against Bruce. New 52 version has been pretty cool.

#12 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

I love him, I think he's an excellent character and I was always cheering for him in his confrontations with Dick Grayson.

#13 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Because when DC rebooted after Crisis, they made Jason into a jerkface who readers were happy to have murdered.

Then when he came back he was a villain, and depending who you ask, continued to be a jerkface.

Before Crisis he was just a Dick Grayson clone and an improbable one at that.

#14 Posted by roboadmiral (544 posts) - - Show Bio

People hated him as Robin, but he seems to have a respectable degree of popularity since coming back as the Red Hood, both as a villain and a roguish hero.

#15 Posted by Mercy_ (92684 posts) - - Show Bio

Just gonna move this to the Jason Todd forum

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#16 Edited by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's Jason Todd

#17 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's Jason Todd

This.

He just sucks. I've read (nearly) every issue of RHATO and he still blows.

#18 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12950 posts) - - Show Bio

i have mixed feelings about him, sometimes i hate him, sometimes i like him.

#19 Edited by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark: so you don't like him because you don't like him?

#20 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

@uncleemu said:

He was so sick in the Under the Red Hood story arc. However, DC has done everything they can to ruin his character since then

#21 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg said:

@veshark: so you don't like him because you don't like him?

You got it.

#22 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a lot more popular now then when he first came back

#23 Edited by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by MatteoPG (1927 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by ComicStooge (12548 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:
@supernategames said:

Because he's Jason Todd

This.

He just sucks. I've read (nearly) every issue of RHATO and he still blows.

Agreed. He was the worst Robin.

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#27 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

#28 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21700 posts) - - Show Bio

did anyone like "The Lost Days"? I loved it! I like Jason more then I like Tim or Damian.

#29 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

did anyone like "The Lost Days"? I loved it! I like Jason more then I like Tim or Damian.

Love it

#30 Edited by muhabba (299 posts) - - Show Bio

He just isn't the Jason Todd from "Under the Red Hood". UTRH was epic & his character was polarizing as Batman's greatest failure. I don't understand why he feels the need for redemption for what was done to him by Batman & the Joker.

#31 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1596 posts) - - Show Bio

He was despised as Robin and sentenced to death. Everyone loved him in Under the Red Hood, and after that very few people could stand him. Nightwing, Countdown, Teen Titans, Battle for the Cowl, Batman and Robin, all controversial appearances for him where the character basically whined about his past. Even Red Hood and the Outlaws, which has probably developed him the most since he came back from the dead, is disliked by quite a few people as Jason's no longer the same as he was previously. The problem is the character was never going to survive like that, and the writers had no long term plan for him.

#32 Posted by dyslexicspeller (11 posts) - - Show Bio

I like new 52 Red Hood, I personally enjoy RHATO. Though I can totally see not liking it. I really like Jason and Roy's relationship, they've got good banter. I was not a fan of the joker being the man who created red hood by pulling the strings throughout his life. I like the old "oh you are here in africa too. May as well kill you."

#33 Edited by Azrael_Online (186 posts) - - Show Bio

It's kind of interesting to look at how people viewed Jason Todd. They didn't like him in the 80's as Robin because of his attitude. However flash forward a few years and that type of character was loved on both sides Marvel and DC; the 'anti-hero' or whatever you want to call him. That's why characters such as Wolverine, Punisher, and Ghost Rider gained such a huge popularity and partly why Azrael (Jean Paul Valley) was introduced and given the cowl for a few years in the whole Knightfall saga. If the Jason Todd Robin were to have come out in the early/mid 90's he probably would have been better received by readers.

I've been avoiding all things New 52 for awhile because of how much I've read DC has screwed things up as far as back stories, things not making sense, continuity, etc. But I did just start reading Red Hood and the Outlaws and, granted, he isn't the same Jason Todd that we had prior to new 52. Much of the attitude is lost. He's still cool, and the other night it dawned on me that they basically turned him into the 'please accept me Bruce' character that they turned Azrael (Jean Paul Valley) into pretty much throughout the entire run of the original Azrael series. The only difference being that at least Bruce has says, I'm proud of you, you've done good' to Jason.

#34 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10261 posts) - - Show Bio

Because they dint remember that what made him popular when he got back was his Under The Red Hood personallity.

They could take away the whole killing and people would still like him, for what it looks they agains decide to change thing to made them more popular and they screw it again.

Also if they want he gets rdemption they should made him get it by accident and not looking for it, like it looks they are trying.

#35 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

I really miss his sarcastic dark sense of humor

#36 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion I just think he's not being handled properly. At one point I was a huge fan but then it started to seem like writers couldn't decide what they wanted him to be. His personality has been all over the place. I very much enjoyed his original debut as Red Hood and this new 52 version looks cool save for the helmet mouth. I've only read maybe the first half of RHATO up to this point but I didn't like the focus on him having to redeem himself. and with this particular team no less. I don't think that's what his story should have become.

To be fair, he was more all over the place before RHATO. I understand what you're saying because my definitive Jason Todd in the one from Lost Days and Under The Hood, however we must remember that there was a time when he was a red-headed maniac who tried to steal other people's sidekicks at one point. And also that god-awful costume with the cape and the red tube... So yeah.. the New 52 Red Hood isn't nearly as cool as the original one, but i'd take this flawed one over that ratched one any day of the week. There also this moment is RHATO #18 that made all the anger of my favorite character being butchered worth it...

#37 Posted by HumanRocket (7784 posts) - - Show Bio

I really enjoyed Jason in under the red hood just gave me something different like that side of Bruce that wanted to do all the things he couldn't but wanted to do. That's what I feel Jason is more than anything.

#38 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey may have his haters but he also has his fair share of fans

#39 Posted by lazyboy93 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

They hate him because he does whatever he wants and gets more opportunities than their favorites. (Haterz) Another possible reason is because he's a Batman character. I for one think people know nothing about him besides from his movie, so they expect to see that same character.

#40 Posted by darktiger (4458 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Jason todd

#41 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6450 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate Jason Todd? Wasn't aware, he's my favorite DC hero (Well, one who others consider a hero. Otherwise, it would be tied with Poison Ivy)

#42 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12950 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate him anymore but he was seriously whiny and bipolar pre new 52.

#43 Edited by Dzeytoun (11 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that Jason in UtRH was well portrayed and polarizing, with many even long-time Batfans going, "the kid has a really good point, Bruce really has screwed up from beginning to end when it comes to Jason, the Joker, and himself.". Unfortunately, DC in its current incarnation has evidently decided to backpedal somewhat on that. The whole retcon of Jason's early life means the entire Red Hood situation was essentially a manipulation of the Joker. Any conflict between Hood and the Bat means the Joker's plan has succeeded. Even killing the Joker would be a triumph for the Clown, since it would mean he has been the controlling puppet master in both Bruce and Jason's lives. I think this was further driven home in the whole DoTF arc. I get that this certainly defuses the moral tension, but it also robs Jason's character of much of its core energy and meaning.

#44 Posted by daredevil21134 (11477 posts) - - Show Bio

@dzeytoun said:

I agree that Jason in UtRH was well portrayed and polarizing, with many even long-time Batfans going, "the kid has a really good point, Bruce really has screwed up from beginning to end when it comes to Jason, the Joker, and himself.". Unfortunately, DC in its current incarnation has evidently decided to backpedal somewhat on that. The whole retcon of Jason's early life means the entire Red Hood situation was essentially a manipulation of the Joker. Any conflict between Hood and the Bat means the Joker's plan has succeeded. Even killing the Joker would be a triumph for the Clown, since it would mean he has been the controlling puppet master in both Bruce and Jason's lives. I think this was further driven home in the whole DoTF arc. I get that this certainly defuses the moral tension, but it also robs Jason's character of much of its core energy and meaning.

This was brilliant

#45 Edited by youknowwhattodo (1016 posts) - - Show Bio

@dzeytoun said:

I agree that Jason in UtRH was well portrayed and polarizing, with many even long-time Batfans going, "the kid has a really good point, Bruce really has screwed up from beginning to end when it comes to Jason, the Joker, and himself.". Unfortunately, DC in its current incarnation has evidently decided to backpedal somewhat on that. The whole retcon of Jason's early life means the entire Red Hood situation was essentially a manipulation of the Joker. Any conflict between Hood and the Bat means the Joker's plan has succeeded. Even killing the Joker would be a triumph for the Clown, since it would mean he has been the controlling puppet master in both Bruce and Jason's lives. I think this was further driven home in the whole DoTF arc. I get that this certainly defuses the moral tension, but it also robs Jason's character of much of its core energy and meaning.

This, this is the reason why I'm so disappointed with Jason Todd in the new 52, in my eyes the Jason Todd in UtRH is the definitive Jason Todd, in fact I liked him in Morrison's Batman & Robin but not this RHATO junk.*

* junk is a strong word, the book has its moments but the whole magic-swords, chosen-one, gets-powered-up-just-to-beat-Lady-Shiva, good-guy-team-leader, champion of Batman, sharing googly-eyes with Supergirl is not what I had in mind when I pictured Jason Todd in the new 52.

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#46 Posted by theodixon9 (541 posts) - - Show Bio

Same as a lot of other people, I really liked him in Under the Red Hood. In fact, it's one of the few times where I've enjoyed the resurrection of a character.

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