Really? What about Human Torch?! He's always been the most powerful, what happened? All the sudden the stronguest is Ms. Invisible "Stand still and protect myself" woman. O_O?
" Really? What about Human Torch?! He's always been the most powerful, what happened? All the sudden the stronguest is Ms. Invisible "Stand still and protect myself" woman. O_O? "
This just goes to show you haven't read the Fantastic Four for the past 20 or 30 years. She doesn't just stand there invisible and protect herself.
" Really? What about Human Torch?! He's always been the most powerful, what happened? All the sudden the stronguest is Ms. Invisible "Stand still and protect myself" woman. O_O? "
This just goes to show you haven't read the Fantastic Four for the past 20 or 30 years. She doesn't just stand there invisible and protect herself. "
That's all she did in the old cartoon series and in the movie :P
And no I don't read comics but I did know that: Flame On! Was the best weapon FF had at that time
" Really? What about Human Torch?! He's always been the most powerful, what happened? All the sudden the stronguest is Ms. Invisible "Stand still and protect myself" woman. O_O? "
This just goes to show you haven't read the Fantastic Four for the past 20 or 30 years. She doesn't just stand there invisible and protect herself. "
That's all she did in the old cartoon series and in the movie :P And no I don't read comics but I did know that: Flame On! Was the best weapon FF had at that time "
Originally in the 60's yes she wasn't very formidable because that's what tended to happen with female characters. But in the past few decades she's emerged as the most powerful. Not only can her shields stand up to Johnny's flame but she could take him out very easily. Generate a forcefield around him and he'll run out of air, no air no flame or just generate an invisible hammer behind him and knock him out. She's so adept at creating and using incredibly strong force fields that she's the strongest member of the FF.
"Granted, this is all based on superpower-level alone. Reed's intelligence makes him far and beyond the most powerful/dangerous member of the F4. "
Yet, Sue could beat him by making sure he loses oxygen. Logic always beats intelligence (Did that make sense lol) "
Reed doesn't need oxygen since he's made out a water-like substance that allows him to expand.... so no this wouldn't work on Reed....
Technically against any villain Sue is the most powerful.... in the X4 mini series she created a landing strip... she can manipulate force fields in anyway she wants creating them at will for both offensive and aggressive purposes...
but between the FF themselves Reed is the most powerful... since he's immune to the rest of the Four.....
the thing is just not in this conversation is he? "pow! i punch you. pow! i punch him!" mr.fanstastic can choke him, invisible woman can make him lose oxygen and defend herself at the same time! human torch an just melt him, go super nova! So invisible woman would beat thing. And could the the most powerfull of the FF. Sadily she would, but she is sooo b*****!
Yes, she is. It took her many many years to get to this point but indeed she is the most powerful of the Quartet. Even Doom has mentioned it during the Authoritative Action Arc.
Definitely and she's gone toe to toe with a Celestial and brought that sucker down. And one of my favorite feats... creating a plane with her powers, using Johnny's fire as a propeller, having Ben steer and managing to get them all to safety after their fun outing in the dangers of space.
"Granted, this is all based on superpower-level alone. Reed's intelligence makes him far and beyond the most powerful/dangerous member of the F4. "
Yet, Sue could beat him by making sure he loses oxygen. Logic always beats intelligence (Did that make sense lol) "
Reed doesn't need oxygen since he's made out a water-like substance that allows him to expand.... so no this wouldn't work on Reed.... Technically against any villain Sue is the most powerful.... in the X4 mini series she created a landing strip... she can manipulate force fields in anyway she wants creating them at will for both offensive and aggressive purposes... but between the FF themselves Reed is the most powerful... since he's immune to the rest of the Four..... "
i didnt know reed doesnt need oxygen....learn something new everyday :)
" Really? What about Human Torch?! He's always been the most powerful, what happened? All the sudden the stronguest is Ms. Invisible "Stand still and protect myself" woman. O_O? "
This just goes to show you haven't read the Fantastic Four for the past 20 or 30 years. She doesn't just stand there invisible and protect herself. "
That's all she did in the old cartoon series and in the movie :P And no I don't read comics but I did know that: Flame On! Was the best weapon FF had at that time "
you apperantly never watched the latest cartoon series, Fantastic Four World Greatest Heroes, in that cartoon series she is a bad ass and the most powerfull in the team as well.
Well I wouldn't always base my opinions on the cartoons or movies. Those stories don't always, if ever, reflect what's going on in the comics. But throughout the years, yes, Sue has gone from a damsel in distress to a powerhouse. She's considered the most powerful member out of the Fantastic Four for good reason.
technically, Reeds intelligence would make him the most powerful. if they F4 plotted each other out, he would win before it started. in just using there base powers id then go Sue, though Reeds on the spot feats using his intellect are hardly anything to laugh at either.
" GL-type force fields/energy constructs > fire projection. "
It all goes by how editorial wants. Torch could use his fire powers in the same exact same way as a GL.
You say she can make an airtight bubble & deprive HTorch of air, yet, if editorial wanted, she could pass out from creating a bubble that holding his fire power.
The only advantage Sue has over HTorch is that you cant see her powers. She's sneaky & underhanded.
Her real powers comes from the fact she's female & they have to make up for having her be a useless damsel in distress for years.
sue,reed might be smart but what good is your brain going to do in a random encounter say example random encounter with doomsday he is not going to stand for 1 sec he could not even escape sue could just turn invisible or put up a shield for all the smarts reed has he should have equip him self better by now with some tech like a batman belt but with way better equipment reed should use his brain better by now that is why i love doctor doom (ready at all times) look on banner not been able to turn in the hulk but yet he has his little gadgets
Sue could just create a force field inside of his head and expandin it or she could just use her force field to move him arond like telekenesis and do what dr doom did to him in then first fantastic four movie freeze him the break him
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